So 3 huge bid thief chances left-
Georgetown
Oregon St
Memphis- the question now is just a win over Houston be enough to make the NCAA should they lose to Wichita in the final. With how poor the bubble has done this week- that's very possible.

should make those teams right now last 4 very nervous.

If you were attending the MWC tournament, tonight’s game just tipped off at 9:41. You’d be in the arena close to midnight.

Which means it tipped 12:41am eastern.

Utah St beats Colorado St. I think that's the best case scenario for the MWC- Colorado St had more of a shot than USU of making the tourney with a loss here...

Still they need Georgetown, Oregon St, and really even Memphis to lose tomorrow.

Bubble chaos on Saturday would be

-- Utah State, Georgetown, and Oregon State all winning their finals, bumping three teams from the main field into the First Four and bumping at least two teams completely out of the tournament field

-- Cincinnati and Memphis advancing to the AAC final

(03-13-2021 12:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  So 3 huge bid thief chances left-
Georgetown
Oregon St
Memphis- the question now is just a win over Houston be enough to make the NCAA should they lose to Wichita in the final.

I think the real question is "has Memphis already punched its ticket"? I think there is a decent chance they have, even with a loss to Houston.

(03-13-2021 07:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-13-2021 12:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  So 3 huge bid thief chances left-
Georgetown
Oregon St
Memphis- the question now is just a win over Houston be enough to make the NCAA should they lose to Wichita in the final.

I think the real question is "has Memphis already punched its ticket"? I think there is a decent chance they have, even with a loss to Houston.

Let me play blind resume with you. Which team would you take among these two?

NET #52, Q1 0-3, Q2 4-3, Q3 6-1, Q4 6-0
NET #57, Q1 3-8, Q2 4-4, Q3 5-1, Q4 2-0

Obviously 52 is a higher NET than 57 and yet #57 has beaten 3 Quad 1 teams while #52 hasn't beaten any while both have the same number of Quad 2 wins. I would take #57 over #52.

#52 is Memphis. #57 is Seton Hall, a team you have written off as an at large team. Now assume Memphis loses to Houston and is now 0-4 vs. Quad 1. Convince me Memphis belongs in over Seton Hall. If Memphis beats Houston, you've got an argument. Three wins is better than one but the one is a top ten NET ranked team and Seton Hall's best win is #30 UConn and one of SH's Q1 wins is a sub .500 Penn State team.

Teams might be better off to be one of the first 8 left out of the tournament. That way they'd be one of the replacement teams for teams that get covid in the next 6 days. They could be higher seeded as a replacement team than as an 11 seed that has to play a play-in game.

(03-13-2021 08:07 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-13-2021 07:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-13-2021 12:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  So 3 huge bid thief chances left-
Georgetown
Oregon St
Memphis- the question now is just a win over Houston be enough to make the NCAA should they lose to Wichita in the final.

I think the real question is "has Memphis already punched its ticket"? I think there is a decent chance they have, even with a loss to Houston.

Let me play blind resume with you. Which team would you take among these two?

NET #52, Q1 0-3, Q2 4-3, Q3 6-1, Q4 6-0
NET #57, Q1 3-8, Q2 4-4, Q3 5-1, Q4 2-0

Obviously 52 is a higher NET than 57 and yet #57 has beaten 3 Quad 1 teams while #52 hasn't beaten any while both have the same number of Quad 2 wins. I would take #57 over #52.

#52 is Memphis. #57 is Seton Hall, a team you have written off as an at large team. Now assume Memphis loses to Houston and is now 0-4 vs. Quad 1. Convince me Memphis belongs in over Seton Hall. If Memphis beats Houston, you've got an argument. Three wins is better than one but the one is a top ten NET ranked team and Seton Hall's best win is #30 UConn and one of SH's Q1 wins is a sub .500 Penn State team.

Actually, FWIW, I've been a supporter of Seton Hall as an at-large team. I've been saying the last few days that they have a decent shot at that in the face of many who have claimed that they needed to go all the way in the Big East tournament and now that they lost to Georgetown they are finished. I do not think their at-large hopes are finished. They are IMO on the wrong side of the bubble now, but not finished.

As for Memphis, I admit I have not looked at them so clinically. I am old-school, I use the eye-test and RPI, I do not like NET and have no use for "quads". I understand these are the tools the committee uses, so when I talk about chances to get in, I am relying on my own feelings not trying so much to predict the committee.

To me, having seen Memphis recently, IMO they look like a tournament team, and even moreso than Seton Hall. As much as I like Big East hoops over AAC hoops, and as much as I do not like the Memphis hoops program, if it were up to me and it came down to Memphis or Seton Hall, I would put Memphis in.

Sorry quo vadis, I mixed you up with someone else. IWokeUpLikeThis wrote off Seton Hall as an at large team.

(03-12-2021 08:04 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Cross off Seton Hall. Georgetown pops their bubble.

Here's my take.

I don't feel Seton Hall is deserving. As a "closet" Georgetown fan, I want the Hoyas to win the Big East. But, and unfortunately, GU would likely bump a more deserving team from the Big Dance in that scenario — and I never like that.

As a Memphis fan, I don't believe the Tigers will be deserving if they lose today to Houston. If Memphis beats Houston and loses to either Cincy or Wichita in a close and competitive manner ... the Tigers would be worthy of consideration (but not necessarily fully deserving). Worth noting: Memphis has been playing without its best point guard.

Georgetown win the Big East lol . Make that Syracuse victory even better?

(03-13-2021 03:38 PM)PusherT Wrote:  Georgetown win the Big East lol . Make that Syracuse victory even better?

Georgetown winning likely would take any shot of Syracuse avoiding the first 4 out the window.

And all of a sudden, Cincinnati emerges as an unlikely possible bid stealer.