(07-06-2021 07:19 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(07-06-2021 07:03 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  ^^^^^^

OVC doesn't have to expand.

They have 10 all sports, 7 Football

No need to panic, or add schools that don't add value.

Men’s tennis is under the AQ mark and football would be at six (the minimum) if Austin Peay were to leave. Not an ideal situation for football to be at six particularly a relatively cash strapped league. Ask the Southland which is playing a round robin and a half in football

They are already at 5 in Men's Tennis

If Austin Peay leaves, that changes the equation. I don't see the advantage of leaving a compact 10-team league for a far flung 14 team league. The Eastern Division would lessen that impact some, but decreases chances of making the tournament.

(02-24-2021 04:47 PM)KingSean Wrote:  I'd love to see North Dakota State vs Northwest Missouri State

NWMSU is exactly where they belong. That school is way too small for D1. They did play a few times in the D2 tourney, though.

(07-06-2021 07:19 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(07-06-2021 07:03 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  ^^^^^^

OVC doesn't have to expand.

They have 10 all sports, 7 Football

No need to panic, or add schools that don't add value.

Men’s tennis is under the AQ mark and football would be at six (the minimum) if Austin Peay were to leave. Not an ideal situation for football to be at six particularly a relatively cash strapped league. Ask the Southland which is playing a round robin and a half in football

A Southland at 6 and an OVC at 7 could enter a scheduling arrangement for football. Also, If Southland loses another the OVC could offer football affiliation to those in need. That would solve any potential football problems. The OVC could also shift its 3 Soccer schools to the Southland if it needed to establish Soccer lieu of losing football

(07-06-2021 06:33 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Belmont doesn’t look at the the loss of Jacksonville St and EKU as a potentially destabilizing move. They see it as a 20% increase in their share in conference revenue and dropping two of their longer in-conference road trips.

Belmont is 3.5 hours from both EKU/JSU. I doubt “we got rid of those two 3.5 hour bustrips” registered a mention at the administrative level, let alone became the #2 reason to celebrate.

The first reason is valid. Conversely, I watched a video that mentioned the budget discrepancy between Belmont and 7 of the OVC schools - none of the 7 MBB budgets were top-300 in DI IIRC - and that with the trajectory the school is expanding on and the presidential switch, the narrator predicted Belmont would switch leagues. I could see either side of the coin here.

(02-12-2021 11:20 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(02-12-2021 11:03 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-12-2021 10:42 AM)solohawks Wrote:  https://thesouthern.com/sports/college/s...b.amp.html

Spoiler alert: SIU won't be joining the OVC

I imagine the SIU officials laughed and hung up when the OVC called.

No kidding. The MVC is 15 spots higher than the OVC yearly. Why in God’s name would an article even be wasted on this? I don’t think there’s been a single realignment move in D1 history where one school moved from one conference to another 15 spots below them.

It amazes me how poor the journalism is for some of these schools. You pretty much have to keep tabs on Matt Brown because you’re not getting anything of value otherwise.

SIU is a founding member of the MVC, or at least acts like it, IMHO. That SIU would even be rumored to move seems absurd, but I have to wonder now, since this came out of left field.

The school that is much more likely candidate to join the OVC is WIU, IMO. That I can see, because WIU seems to have trouble competing in anything in the MVC.

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(02-24-2021 02:57 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:42 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Are there any other realistic football schools the OVC could add outside of WIU? Even D2 looks pretty bare.

Robert Morris just joined the Horizon and would really stretch the footprint so I don't consider them realistic.

Perhaps if by some miracle they could convince Youngstown State to join in, the two could be packaged together, but that's a very big stretch.

Maybe Lindenwood, Arkansas Tech, UAH, or North Georgia? I dunno their interest level or if one of them is destined for the ASUN. Tennessee, Kentucky, and Illinois are pretty picked over. University of Indianapolis (private school, not IUPUI) could be interesting as a non-football school.

I highly doubt UAH wants to leave the GSC, given Montevallo's failed experiment with the Peach Belt not too long ago.UNG (North Georgia) could be a non-football option though. Shorter could be a possibility if their finances are in order. If MVSU doesn't like what division the SWAC stuck them in, they could be an outside the box possibility for the OVC. UAPB could be another one, if they and SWAC have had a falling out. Alabama A&M briefly came to mind because they are in the Huntsville media market like UAH, (but do have football); but I think they are SWAC for life barring something really crazy!!

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(07-06-2021 10:43 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-12-2021 11:20 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(02-12-2021 11:03 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-12-2021 10:42 AM)solohawks Wrote:  https://thesouthern.com/sports/college/s...b.amp.html

Spoiler alert: SIU won't be joining the OVC

I imagine the SIU officials laughed and hung up when the OVC called.

No kidding. The MVC is 15 spots higher than the OVC yearly. Why in God’s name would an article even be wasted on this? I don’t think there’s been a single realignment move in D1 history where one school moved from one conference to another 15 spots below them.

It amazes me how poor the journalism is for some of these schools. You pretty much have to keep tabs on Matt Brown because you’re not getting anything of value otherwise.

SIU is a founding member of the MVC, or at least acts like it, IMHO. That SIU would even be rumored to move seems absurd, but I have to wonder now, since this came out of left field.

The school that is much more likely candidate to join the OVC is WIU, IMO. That I can see, because WIU seems to have trouble competing in anything in the MVC.

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WIU is in the Summit. They play football in the MVFC but it’s a separate conference.

A trick to remember who’s in what league for IN/IL/IA/MO.

If you’re a non-FBS school in IN/IL/IA/MO who’s won a game in the NCAA Tournament, you’re in the MVC. (Valpo, IN St, Evansville, Loyola, IL St, Bradley, SIU, UNI, Drake, MO St)

If you’re a non-FBS school in IN/IL/IA/MO who hasn’t won a game in the NCAA Tournament, you’re in the Horizon, Summit, or OVC:
- Horizon (UIC, IUPUI, Fort Wayne)
- Summit (WIU, UMKC)
- OVC (EIU, SIUE, SEMO)

Think of Horizon as “urban Great Lakes” (UIC, IUPUI, Ft Wayne). Then draw a diagonal line from STL to Chicago — anything west is Summit (WIU, UMKC) and anything east is OVC (EIU, SIUE, SEMO).

(07-06-2021 11:00 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  If MVSU doesn't like what division the SWAC stuck them in, they could be an outside the box possibility for the OVC. UAPB could be another one, if they and SWAC have had a falling out.

Remember that MVSU has the lowest athletic budget in D1. They’re not going to be an attractive candidate to any conference, as leagues will bypass MVSU for several D2 schools.

Unless MVSU get shipped to both FL/TX for most sports, they wouldn’t really be saving anything. That’s before you get to equally/more important factors as institutional similarity, donors, selling tickets, etc:
UT Martin 4:15 | JSU 1:45
SEMO 4:30 | Alcorn 2:30
Murray 5:00 | UAPB 2:30
Belmont 5:00 | Grambling 3:15
TSU 5:00 | Southern 4:15
APSU 5:15 | AAMU 4:45
TN Tech 6:15 | ASU 4:45
SIUE 6:30 | FAMU 8:00
EIU 7:00 | TSU/PV 8:15
Morehead 9:00 | BCU 11:30

Ditto UAPB:
UT Martin 4:15 | MVSU 2:30
SEMO 4:30 | Grambling 2:45
Murray 5:00 | JSU 3:30
Belmont 5:30 | Alcorn 3:45
TSU 5:30 | Southern 5:15
APSU 5:45 | AAMU 6:00
SIUE 6:15 | ASU 7:00
TN Tech 6:30 | TSU 7:15
EIU 7:00 | PV 7:15
Morehead 9:30 | FAMU 10:00/BCU 13:30

I would write off any SWAC school jumping to the OVC completely.

(07-06-2021 10:21 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(07-06-2021 06:33 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Belmont doesn’t look at the the loss of Jacksonville St and EKU as a potentially destabilizing move. They see it as a 20% increase in their share in conference revenue and dropping two of their longer in-conference road trips.

Belmont is 3.5 hours from both EKU/JSU. I doubt “we got rid of those two 3.5 hour bustrips” registered a mention at the administrative level, let alone became the #2 reason to celebrate.

The first reason is valid. Conversely, I watched a video that mentioned the budget discrepancy between Belmont and 7 of the OVC schools - none of the 7 MBB budgets were top-300 in DI IIRC - and that with the trajectory the school is expanding on and the presidential switch, the narrator predicted Belmont would switch leagues. I could see either side of the coin here.

This begs the question of which direction Belmont will go—SoCon or MVC?

Both leagues would be interested. I think the MVC has better basketball but the SoCon would be an excellent cultural fit.

(07-07-2021 12:15 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(07-06-2021 10:43 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-12-2021 11:20 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(02-12-2021 11:03 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-12-2021 10:42 AM)solohawks Wrote:  https://thesouthern.com/sports/college/s...b.amp.html

Spoiler alert: SIU won't be joining the OVC

I imagine the SIU officials laughed and hung up when the OVC called.

No kidding. The MVC is 15 spots higher than the OVC yearly. Why in God’s name would an article even be wasted on this? I don’t think there’s been a single realignment move in D1 history where one school moved from one conference to another 15 spots below them.

It amazes me how poor the journalism is for some of these schools. You pretty much have to keep tabs on Matt Brown because you’re not getting anything of value otherwise.

SIU is a founding member of the MVC, or at least acts like it, IMHO. That SIU would even be rumored to move seems absurd, but I have to wonder now, since this came out of left field.

The school that is much more likely candidate to join the OVC is WIU, IMO. That I can see, because WIU seems to have trouble competing in anything in the MVC.

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WIU is in the Summit. They play football in the MVFC but it’s a separate conference.

A trick to remember who’s in what league for IN/IL/IA/MO.

If you’re a non-FBS school in IN/IL/IA/MO who’s won a game in the NCAA Tournament, you’re in the MVC. (Valpo, IN St, Evansville, Loyola, IL St, Bradley, SIU, UNI, Drake, MO St)

If you’re a non-FBS school in IN/IL/IA/MO who hasn’t won a game in the NCAA Tournament, you’re in the Horizon, Summit, or OVC:
- Horizon (UIC, IUPUI, Fort Wayne)
- Summit (WIU, UMKC)
- OVC (EIU, SIUE, SEMO)

Think of Horizon as “urban Great Lakes” (UIC, IUPUI, Ft Wayne). Then draw a diagonal line from STL to Chicago — anything west is Summit (WIU, UMKC) and anything east is OVC (EIU, SIUE, SEMO).

All 10 members of the NCAA have won an NCAA tournament game?

That's an impressive stat that I doubt other mid major conferences could even come close. ..thanks for sharing

(07-06-2021 11:00 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 02:57 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:42 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Are there any other realistic football schools the OVC could add outside of WIU? Even D2 looks pretty bare.

Robert Morris just joined the Horizon and would really stretch the footprint so I don't consider them realistic.

Perhaps if by some miracle they could convince Youngstown State to join in, the two could be packaged together, but that's a very big stretch.

Maybe Lindenwood, Arkansas Tech, UAH, or North Georgia? I dunno their interest level or if one of them is destined for the ASUN. Tennessee, Kentucky, and Illinois are pretty picked over. University of Indianapolis (private school, not IUPUI) could be interesting as a non-football school.

I highly doubt UAH wants to leave the GSC, given Montevallo's failed experiment with the Peach Belt not too long ago.UNG (North Georgia) could be a non-football option though. Shorter could be a possibility if their finances are in order. If MVSU doesn't like what division the SWAC stuck them in, they could be an outside the box possibility for the OVC. UAPB could be another one, if they and SWAC have had a falling out. Alabama A&M briefly came to mind because they are in the Huntsville media market like UAH, (but do have football); but I think they are SWAC for life barring something really crazy!!

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Would Berry College be an option?