(12-20-2020 08:11 PM)Teal2018 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 05:24 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 04:01 PM)asu7 Wrote:  A lot of us felt this was coming. This is why we felt we had to move up because eventually the G5 would split off. If you were FCS you would be even farther behind.

We do not need to split. We need a 16 team playoff with conference champions getting an auto bid then 6 at large teams.

Don’t need 16. You need just 8 with all P5 champs getting in and three at large, one must be the highest ranked G5. Problem solved.

This 100%, I’ve been saying this to my friends for the past few years. I think this is a nice middle ground solution that makes the playoffs more open than the current format of Clemson, Bama, Ohio State, and whatever other P5 school not from the PAC12 sneaks in but also does not devalue the importance of the regular season too much.

That would be cool.

This would mean big changes to schedule but if the G5 got a single spot then a play-in playoff would be awesome. Take the 4 highest G5 conf champs and have a mini-playoff competing for the one spot.

May have to start a week earlier and reduce the regular season to something like 10 games. Then the teams not participating in the G5 play-in could do some sort of conference challenge games.

If the idea is coming from the P5 and espn is driving the narrative it will not be good long term.

They don’t beat us on the field it’s well before the game starts.

Make it 16 with 10 FBS Champs getting autobids and then the next highest ranked teams in for the remaining 6.

If you make it 8 with only 1 G5 autobid they're gonna be the 8 seed playing bama every year and then people will say that G5 is not good enough when they get blown out just like ND is going to in the Rose Bowl.

(12-20-2020 05:24 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 04:01 PM)asu7 Wrote:  A lot of us felt this was coming. This is why we felt we had to move up because eventually the G5 would split off. If you were FCS you would be even farther behind.

We do not need to split. We need a 16 team playoff with conference champions getting an auto bid then 6 at large teams.

Don’t need 16. You need just 8 with all P5 champs getting in and three at large, one must be the highest ranked G5. Problem solved.

Disagree whole heartedly. Getting one table scrap hand me down from the P5 does nothing to legitimize the G5. We will remain a red headed step child to them and continue to be looked upon as a charity case.

(12-20-2020 08:11 PM)Teal2018 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 05:24 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 04:01 PM)asu7 Wrote:  A lot of us felt this was coming. This is why we felt we had to move up because eventually the G5 would split off. If you were FCS you would be even farther behind.

We do not need to split. We need a 16 team playoff with conference champions getting an auto bid then 6 at large teams.

Don’t need 16. You need just 8 with all P5 champs getting in and three at large, one must be the highest ranked G5. Problem solved.

This 100%, I’ve been saying this to my friends for the past few years. I think this is a nice middle ground solution that makes the playoffs more open than the current format of Clemson, Bama, Ohio State, and whatever other P5 school not from the PAC12 sneaks in but also does not devalue the importance of the regular season too much.

This is not a middle ground, it still relegates us to charity that they are "blessing" us with one spot to shut us up. Why should a conference champion have ZERO chance of ever making it into a playoff for their sport?

Would like to have P5 vs G5 championship playoffs and let the winners play each other. Similar to European soccer where Champions League and Euro League winners play each other in the UEFA SuperCup every year.
We should still keep the rest of the lower bowl system as it is.

(12-21-2020 09:02 AM)iStoopify Wrote:  Make it 16 with 10 FBS Champs getting autobids and then the next highest ranked teams in for the remaining 6.

If you make it 8 with only 1 G5 autobid they're gonna be the 8 seed playing bama every year and then people will say that G5 is not good enough when they get blown out just like ND is going to in the Rose Bowl.

THIS

Until the playoff is expanded, I'd like to see the top 2 rated G5 champs play for the Access Bowl. It's flat-out wrong that Cinci automatically gets the NY6 because they're AAC.

As someone who loves FCS and G5 I don't think expanding the playoffs is going to solve the problem. There is going to be a strong bias that exists among whoever are the Kingpins at every level. No matter how a good a Patriot League team is in FCS they'll always get a crappy draw and almost always sent on the road which only reinforces the stereotype. Colgate was undefeated 2 years ago, had a historically great defense and got the 8 seed which meant a death sentence in the Fargo Dome in round 2. Lehigh went 10-1 in 2012 on the heels of two playoff wins, MVFC Champ UNI '10 and CAA Champ Towson in '11, and was left out. Schools from the OVC, Southland and more recently the App State'less and GSU'less SoCon are also looked down upon by the MVFC, Big Sky and CAA no matter how good they actually are. The "bidding" system for home games rather than using merit is also absurd.

There's also the reality that NDSU is on a level by themselves (like 'Bama and Clemson) with JMU being a rather distant "top contender". With the 24 team playoff there's way too many meaningless games. The same issues exist in D2 and D3. There's 3-4 dominant programs that feast on a bunch of sacrificial lambs for most of the playoffs.

BYU was the last outsider to win a 1-A/FBS national title and based on the research I did, the establishment made sure 36 years ago a school of the Cougar's ilk would never win it again. Even the SWC was considered a "lesser conference" the last few years of their existence. 1990 10-1 Texas (bowl vs Miami), 11-0 1992 Texas A&M (bowl vs ND and 1993), 10-1 Texas A&M (bowl vs ND) had no chance at a national title despite having a record, bowl opponent and name saying they should.

My suggestions is invest in basketball. The AAC was a suppose to be a premier hoops conference while being home to "nationally viable" football. You can break through in hoops, you can't in football. If Temple said they were dropping football tomorrow to boost hoops and our olympic programs I honestly wouldn't be upset. We have a championship path in hoops, can pay our coaches to stay and have facilities that stack up nationally.

(12-21-2020 09:25 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 09:02 AM)iStoopify Wrote:  Make it 16 with 10 FBS Champs getting autobids and then the next highest ranked teams in for the remaining 6.

If you make it 8 with only 1 G5 autobid they're gonna be the 8 seed playing bama every year and then people will say that G5 is not good enough when they get blown out just like ND is going to in the Rose Bowl.

THIS

Hard enough to get 8. No way they go to 16. There is momentum to expand the playoffs... let’s get what we can to have a seat at the table. Just going to 8 will result in a G5 reorganization that will move the best G5 teams into one or two conferences.... after that, we can talk about next steps.

(12-21-2020 09:57 AM)TUowl06 Wrote:  As someone who loves FCS and G5 I don't think expanding the playoffs is going to solve the problem. There is going to be a strong bias that exists among whoever are the Kingpins at every level. No matter how a good a Patriot League team is in FCS they'll always get a crappy draw and almost always sent on the road which only reinforces the stereotype. Colgate was undefeated 2 years ago, had a historically great defense and got the 8 seed which meant a death sentence in the Fargo Dome in round 2. Lehigh went 10-1 in 2012 on the heels of two playoff wins, MVFC Champ UNI '10 and CAA Champ Towson in '11, and was left out. Schools from the OVC, Southland and more recently the App State'less and GSU'less SoCon are also looked down upon by the MVFC, Big Sky and CAA no matter how good they actually are. The "bidding" system for home games rather than using merit is also absurd.

There's also the reality that NDSU is on a level by themselves (like 'Bama and Clemson) with JMU being a rather distant "top contender". With the 24 team playoff there's way too many meaningless games. The same issues exist in D2 and D3. There's 3-4 dominant programs that feast on a bunch of sacrificial lambs for most of the playoffs.

BYU was the last outsider to win a 1-A/FBS national title and based on the research I did, the establishment made sure 36 years ago a school of the Cougar's ilk would never win it again. Even the SWC was considered a "lesser conference" the last few years of their existence. 1990 10-1 Texas (bowl vs Miami), 11-0 1992 Texas A&M (bowl vs ND and 1993), 10-1 Texas A&M (bowl vs ND) had no chance at a national title despite having a record, bowl opponent and name saying they should.

My suggestions is invest in basketball. The AAC was a suppose to be a premier hoops conference while being home to "nationally viable" football. You can break through in hoops, you can't in football. If Temple said they were dropping football tomorrow to boost hoops and our olympic programs I honestly wouldn't be upset. We have a championship path in hoops, can pay our coaches to stay and have facilities that stack up nationally.

The Patriot League Comparison makes no sense.

1. The PL actually gets a bid to the playoffs.

2. The PL is so insular with their scheduling and hardly ever schedules major conference teams. That's not true of the G5.

3. The PL doesn't compete at the FCS scholarship ceiling.

(12-21-2020 10:09 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 09:57 AM)TUowl06 Wrote:  As someone who loves FCS and G5 I don't think expanding the playoffs is going to solve the problem. There is going to be a strong bias that exists among whoever are the Kingpins at every level. No matter how a good a Patriot League team is in FCS they'll always get a crappy draw and almost always sent on the road which only reinforces the stereotype. Colgate was undefeated 2 years ago, had a historically great defense and got the 8 seed which meant a death sentence in the Fargo Dome in round 2. Lehigh went 10-1 in 2012 on the heels of two playoff wins, MVFC Champ UNI '10 and CAA Champ Towson in '11, and was left out. Schools from the OVC, Southland and more recently the App State'less and GSU'less SoCon are also looked down upon by the MVFC, Big Sky and CAA no matter how good they actually are. The "bidding" system for home games rather than using merit is also absurd.

There's also the reality that NDSU is on a level by themselves (like 'Bama and Clemson) with JMU being a rather distant "top contender". With the 24 team playoff there's way too many meaningless games. The same issues exist in D2 and D3. There's 3-4 dominant programs that feast on a bunch of sacrificial lambs for most of the playoffs.

BYU was the last outsider to win a 1-A/FBS national title and based on the research I did, the establishment made sure 36 years ago a school of the Cougar's ilk would never win it again. Even the SWC was considered a "lesser conference" the last few years of their existence. 1990 10-1 Texas (bowl vs Miami), 11-0 1992 Texas A&M (bowl vs ND and 1993), 10-1 Texas A&M (bowl vs ND) had no chance at a national title despite having a record, bowl opponent and name saying they should.

My suggestions is invest in basketball. The AAC was a suppose to be a premier hoops conference while being home to "nationally viable" football. You can break through in hoops, you can't in football. If Temple said they were dropping football tomorrow to boost hoops and our olympic programs I honestly wouldn't be upset. We have a championship path in hoops, can pay our coaches to stay and have facilities that stack up nationally.

The Patriot League Comparison makes no sense.

1. The PL actually gets a bid to the playoffs.

2. The PL is so insular with their scheduling and hardly ever schedule major conference teams. That's not true of the G5.

3. The PL doesn't compete at the FCS scholarship ceiling.

1. They get a bid but when it comes to seeding and home playoff games they're at a severe disadvantage.

2. Their scheduling is not insular, it's regional. The PL and CAA play tons of OOC game to go along with the traditional Ivy League opponents. Colgate went 3-0 against the CAA (W&M, UNH and playoff win against JMU) in 2018.

3. Most of the schools are at 60 which is basically on par with the rest of FCS. Red-shirting and unwillingness to take transfers are far more of an issue than 3 scholarships. Ultimately, these things are no different than different academic standards or pay scales for coaches/facilities within a conference. Schools simply operate/fund differently.

My whole point is there will forever be a hierarchy in college football. Since 1984 there was ONE chance for an outsider to break through and completely change the narrative. This particular outsider did a magnificent job of marketing itself in a unique manner that appealed to TV execs, the media and the general dumbed down college football fan. Unfortunately, Kyle Brotzman's right foot let all the "little guys" down indefinitely.

To be fair, TCU did finish #2 in both polls in 2010 after they beat Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl. But, Boise State had the BCS Title game momentum most of the year. Especially with 2009 wins over Oregon and TCU.

(12-21-2020 09:20 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 08:11 PM)Teal2018 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 05:24 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 04:01 PM)asu7 Wrote:  A lot of us felt this was coming. This is why we felt we had to move up because eventually the G5 would split off. If you were FCS you would be even farther behind.

We do not need to split. We need a 16 team playoff with conference champions getting an auto bid then 6 at large teams.

Don’t need 16. You need just 8 with all P5 champs getting in and three at large, one must be the highest ranked G5. Problem solved.

This 100%, I’ve been saying this to my friends for the past few years. I think this is a nice middle ground solution that makes the playoffs more open than the current format of Clemson, Bama, Ohio State, and whatever other P5 school not from the PAC12 sneaks in but also does not devalue the importance of the regular season too much.

This is not a middle ground, it still relegates us to charity that they are "blessing" us with one spot to shut us up. Why should a conference champion have ZERO chance of ever making it into a playoff for their sport?

The CFP is not the NCAA and does not care about what is fair or justified, they just care about $$$. I would love a situation where all 10 conference champs get in and have a 12 or 16 team playoff but it took college football about 100 years to get a national championship game, about another 20 years to create a four team playoff (and even with that happened some people were clutching there pearls about how it would devalue the “greatest regular season in sports where every game matters”). College football moves slow and only at the will of the big money schools, as much as I’d love it I don’t see a large FCS style playoff in the next 20 years, and I don’t want to be stuck with the current format for the next two decades.

(12-21-2020 09:57 AM)TUowl06 Wrote:  As someone who loves FCS and G5 I don't think expanding the playoffs is going to solve the problem. There is going to be a strong bias that exists among whoever are the Kingpins at every level. No matter how a good a Patriot League team is in FCS they'll always get a crappy draw and almost always sent on the road which only reinforces the stereotype. Colgate was undefeated 2 years ago, had a historically great defense and got the 8 seed which meant a death sentence in the Fargo Dome in round 2. Lehigh went 10-1 in 2012 on the heels of two playoff wins, MVFC Champ UNI '10 and CAA Champ Towson in '11, and was left out. Schools from the OVC, Southland and more recently the App State'less and GSU'less SoCon are also looked down upon by the MVFC, Big Sky and CAA no matter how good they actually are. The "bidding" system for home games rather than using merit is also absurd.

There's also the reality that NDSU is on a level by themselves (like 'Bama and Clemson) with JMU being a rather distant "top contender". With the 24 team playoff there's way too many meaningless games. The same issues exist in D2 and D3. There's 3-4 dominant programs that feast on a bunch of sacrificial lambs for most of the playoffs.

BYU was the last outsider to win a 1-A/FBS national title and based on the research I did, the establishment made sure 36 years ago a school of the Cougar's ilk would never win it again. Even the SWC was considered a "lesser conference" the last few years of their existence. 1990 10-1 Texas (bowl vs Miami), 11-0 1992 Texas A&M (bowl vs ND and 1993), 10-1 Texas A&M (bowl vs ND) had no chance at a national title despite having a record, bowl opponent and name saying they should.

My suggestions is invest in basketball. The AAC was a suppose to be a premier hoops conference while being home to "nationally viable" football. You can break through in hoops, you can't in football. If Temple said they were dropping football tomorrow to boost hoops and our olympic programs I honestly wouldn't be upset. We have a championship path in hoops, can pay our coaches to stay and have facilities that stack up nationally.

The hierarchy isn't the problem. The problem is that half of the division will have a chance to ever make a playoff regardless of how good they are or are not. Putting more teams in the playoffs allows for a long term scenario where the top recruits go to more than just the same top four teams every year and therefore continue to perpetuate the cycle. Getting more teams into the playoff allows for a shifting or leveling of the recruiting playing field which will in turn level (somewhat) the top level.

I am not naive enough to think that most G5 teams have a real shot of beating all of the other teams in the playoff any time soon. But over time, there will be someone who does. UCF should have gotten a shot at it. Boise in several years should have gotten a shot at it. Houston a couple years ago should have gotten a shot at it.

Look at UMASS in the 1998 FCS playoffs. They barely got in (IIRC) and then went on to play out of their minds four weeks in a row and beat all four of the top seeds including #1 GS in the championship and became the NC. Is it rare? Absolutely. But we should be given an avenue to make it happen. It's up to us as G5 teams to elevate ourselves to win once given the shot.

(12-21-2020 11:05 AM)Teal2018 Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 09:20 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 08:11 PM)Teal2018 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 05:24 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 04:01 PM)asu7 Wrote:  A lot of us felt this was coming. This is why we felt we had to move up because eventually the G5 would split off. If you were FCS you would be even farther behind.

We do not need to split. We need a 16 team playoff with conference champions getting an auto bid then 6 at large teams.

Don’t need 16. You need just 8 with all P5 champs getting in and three at large, one must be the highest ranked G5. Problem solved.

This 100%, I’ve been saying this to my friends for the past few years. I think this is a nice middle ground solution that makes the playoffs more open than the current format of Clemson, Bama, Ohio State, and whatever other P5 school not from the PAC12 sneaks in but also does not devalue the importance of the regular season too much.

This is not a middle ground, it still relegates us to charity that they are "blessing" us with one spot to shut us up. Why should a conference champion have ZERO chance of ever making it into a playoff for their sport?

The CFP is not the NCAA and does not care about what is fair or justified, they just care about $$$. I would love a situation where all 10 conference champs get in and have a 12 or 16 team playoff but it took college football about 100 years to get a national championship game, about another 20 years to create a four team playoff (and even with that happened some people were clutching there pearls about how it would devalue the “greatest regular season in sports where every game matters”). College football moves slow and only at the will of the big money schools, as much as I’d love it I don’t see a large FCS style playoff in the next 20 years, and I don’t want to be stuck with the current format for the next two decades.

Agree, but it doesn't mean we should just give up and take the table scraps they "generously" decide to bless us with without a fight.

(12-20-2020 03:36 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I ave heard several today including Mack Brown say today that he thinks the G5 should just have their own semis and championship game. What are your thoughts on this?

NO



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(12-20-2020 03:40 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  We need to fight for an expanded playoff with some guaranteed access.

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(12-23-2020 04:19 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

Hang tight, NCAA should get right to y’all with sanctions in hand.

Gonna need the commissioner’s of all G5 conferences and a couple P5 conferences to even get a notice. The NCAA doesn’t control the CFP, and they aren’t going to step on feet to take over it.