(12-01-2020 07:30 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  It's a pity that everyone is a Swamp Creature. It's like the zombies in movies they get bitten and become part of them. We're screwed people, evil is winning. Everything that Trump accomplished will go down the drain of that swamp. *tsk*

Barr seems to be a piece holder, launch investigations say the right things. Nobody gets prosecuted. Two thing were not allowed in the global matrix, Trump and Brexit. Both happened both need to be eliminated by the Globalist cabal.

(12-01-2020 09:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I love how anyone who doesn’t buy in the wild conspiracy theories is now a traitor!

When you grow up not wanting to get married, not have kids, not too pass on your ancestry....it isn't a theory. You had your balls cut off in high school, sad but true. Let me guess, you never played a varsity sport. You are a self genocider.

(12-01-2020 04:47 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 04:10 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Remember all the patriotism he displayed after being appointed? Remember the talk of getting to the bottom of the spying? He did nothing but run out the clock while keeping the real patriots at bay with promises of answers that always flew by time tables given. Now he tells us there is no fraud. These scum bags need a reckoning. I just hope it comes and comes very hard.

No. He simply said they didn't find enough fraud to change the election results.

The Trump team hasn't either. They suspect far more than enough to overturn the results, but proving that is difficult. And proving it was done fraudulently is even more difficult.

As Barr said, his job is not to fix every problem. He is to prosecute crimes.

So where has he been and which of the crimes we all know happened have been prosecuted? That’s right. Not a single one while telling us to wait patiently while they rap things up. Well, we have waited patiently and time is up. Slap all the swamp creatures on the back, Bill Barr, have another scotch and a great big belly laugh. Yeah, you really pulled one over on us.

(12-01-2020 07:53 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:President Donald Trump’s campaign on Dec. 1 fired back at Attorney General William Barr after the nation’s top law enforcement official reportedly claimed that officials haven’t seen evidence of widespread election fraud.

“With all due respect to the Attorney General, there hasn’t been any semblance of a Department of Justice investigation,” Rudy Giuliani, a Trump lawyer, and Jenna Ellis, a Trump campaign attorney, said in a joint statement. “We have gathered ample evidence of illegal voting in at least six states, which they have not examined. We have many witnesses swearing under oath they saw crimes being committed in connection with voter fraud.

“As far as we know, not a single one has been interviewed by the DOJ. The Justice Department also hasn’t audited any voting machines or used their subpoena powers to determine the truth.

“Nonetheless, we will continue our pursuit of the truth through the judicial system and state legislatures, and continue toward the Constitution’s mandate and ensuring that every legal vote is counted and every illegal vote is not. Again, with the greatest respect to the Attorney General, his opinion appears to be without any knowledge or investigation of the substantial irregularities and evidence of systemic fraud.”

Barr was said to have made the remarks in an interview with The Associated Press, which has a history of animus toward Trump.

According to the outlet, Barr said: “To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election.”

Barr also reportedly said: “There’s a growing tendency to use the criminal justice system as sort of a default fix-all, and people don’t like something they want the Department of Justice to come in and ‘investigate.'”

The Department of Justice (DOJ) didn’t immediately respond when asked to confirm the reported comments or why Barr didn’t make them in a press conference.

Barr was seen entering the White House around 2:45 p.m. on Dec. 1. He has been mostly silent since Election Day, even as a growing body of evidence points to substantial fraud in multiple states.

The secretive posture of the DOJ was seen about a week after Nov. 3, when a memo Barr sent to federal prosecutors was only made public through a leak.

Barr directed the prosecutors “to pursue substantial allegations of voting and vote tabulation irregularities prior to the certification of elections in your jurisdictions in certain cases, as I have already done in specific instances.”

“Such inquiries and reviews may be conducted if there are clear and apparently credible allegations of irregularities that, if true, could potentially impact the outcome of a federal election in an individual State,” he said.

Barr earlier this year said the DOJ was conducting several large voter-fraud investigations.

He also reiterated that he viewed mass mail-in voting as an invitation for voter fraud and coercion.

“We haven’t had the kind of widespread use of mail-in ballots as being proposed,” Barr said. “We’ve had absentee ballots from people who request them from a specific address. Now what we’re talking about is mailing them to everyone on the voter list, when everyone knows those voter lists are inaccurate.

“This is playing with fire,” Barr said. “We’re a very closely divided country here, and people have to have confidence in the results of the election and the legitimacy of the government. And people trying to change the rules to this methodology—which as a matter of logic is very open to fraud and coercion—is reckless and dangerous.”

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Same ole same ole isn’t it. All of this BS talk and not one single person interviewed much less arrested and charged. With video evidence and sworn affidavits piling up. Just keep telling everyone you are taking this so serious and looking into every allegation while doing not a damn thing. Fool me again and shame on me.

(12-01-2020 04:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  Barr is Trump's best appointee, bar none.

Thats my take as well. He has returned the DOJ to its non-political roots. He stays out of politics and generally says as little as possible. Not hearing a bunch of BS leaks anymore. His investigations will either bear fruit or they wont---but if he brings charges---you can darn well bet there is something actually there. Unlike his Obama era predecessors, the Barr DOJ doesnt manufacture fake news investigations that are little more than PR vessels designed to damage opponents.

He didn't say there was no fraud he said there has not been any evidence of enough fraud to effect the outcome of the election. *THATS* the Bar (pun intended) which needs to be cleared.

Maybe the rest of the GOP told him to cut and run?

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(12-01-2020 11:52 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  He didn't say there was no fraud he said there has not been any evidence of enough fraud to effect the outcome of the election. *THATS* the Bar (pun intended) which needs to be cleared.

Exactly. Even if you assume there was wide spread fraud, the chances that after just 4 weeks the FBI could come out and say for certain there was wide spread fraud is about zero. Fraud cases take time. In this case, you've got multiple states involved and--assuming most of the fraud is to be found in individual mail in ballots being cast by people other than the name on the envelope---it's slow painstaking work to grind through a stack of ballots to verify signatures and contact voters to see if they actually voted by mail. I doubt they are going to do that unless some sort of audit triggered by a civil suit discovers oddities. The Michigan audit that had gone through 30K Wayne County ballots that found a substantial number of dead people and/or otherwise faulty ballots (it was discussed in todays hearing) might be the kind of thing that could trigger an FBI investigation. And I would add, even if the Wayne County percentage of bad ballots found in that 30K sample (about 8%) was representative of the rest of the 160K mail in ballots in Wayne County---it still wouldnt change the outcome. That said--an 8% error rate in mail in ballots is big darn deal and could make a difference if its found to be true statewide.

(12-02-2020 01:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 11:52 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  He didn't say there was no fraud he said there has not been any evidence of enough fraud to effect the outcome of the election. *THATS* the Bar (pun intended) which needs to be cleared.

Exactly. Even if you assume there was wide spread fraud, the chances that after just 4 weeks the FBI could come out and say for certain there was wide spread fraud is about zero. Fraud cases take time. In this case, you've got multiple states involved and--assuming most of the fraud is to be found in individual mail in ballots being cast by people other than the name on the envelope---it's slow painstaking work to grind through a stack of ballots to verify signatures and contact voters to see if they actually voted by mail. I doubt they are going to do that unless some sort of audit triggered by a civil suit discovers oddities. The Michigan audit that had gone through 30K Wayne County ballots that found a substantial number of dead people and/or otherwise faulty ballots (it was discussed in todays hearing) might be the kind of thing that could trigger an FBI investigation. And I would add, even if the Wayne County percentage of bad ballots found in that 30K sample (about 8%) was representative of the rest of the 160K mail in ballots in Wayne County---it still wouldnt change the outcome. That said--an 8% error rate in mail in ballots is big darn deal and could make a difference if its found to be true statewide.

Then he should have kept his damn mouth shut. No need to give the left any room to take that as “Trump is just being a sore loser!” Which is exactly what’s happening. The Amistad project founder said today that he was unaware of ANY interviews by the FBI or DOJ of any of the dozens of witnesses to fraud that had come forward to them and sworn in affidavits describing election fraud. Does that sound like a DOJ that is doing it’s job or one that is not at all interested in investigation of claims of fraud?

I hope I am wrong about Barr. I hope he will present Durham’s findings and indictments for those who broke the law. But he only has a little over a month to do so. I’ll believe him again when he actually does something instead of running his mouth.

You know how all y'all like to say that the Left is eating its own?

The Trump team is eating its own now. Anyone who doesn't toe the party line to a T is being canceled by Trump's base.

(12-02-2020 02:30 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 01:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 11:52 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  He didn't say there was no fraud he said there has not been any evidence of enough fraud to effect the outcome of the election. *THATS* the Bar (pun intended) which needs to be cleared.

Exactly. Even if you assume there was wide spread fraud, the chances that after just 4 weeks the FBI could come out and say for certain there was wide spread fraud is about zero. Fraud cases take time. In this case, you've got multiple states involved and--assuming most of the fraud is to be found in individual mail in ballots being cast by people other than the name on the envelope---it's slow painstaking work to grind through a stack of ballots to verify signatures and contact voters to see if they actually voted by mail. I doubt they are going to do that unless some sort of audit triggered by a civil suit discovers oddities. The Michigan audit that had gone through 30K Wayne County ballots that found a substantial number of dead people and/or otherwise faulty ballots (it was discussed in todays hearing) might be the kind of thing that could trigger an FBI investigation. And I would add, even if the Wayne County percentage of bad ballots found in that 30K sample (about 8%) was representative of the rest of the 160K mail in ballots in Wayne County---it still wouldnt change the outcome. That said--an 8% error rate in mail in ballots is big darn deal and could make a difference if its found to be true statewide.

Then he should have kept his damn mouth shut. No need to give the left any room to take that as “Trump is just being a sore loser!” Which is exactly what’s happening. The Amistad project founder said today that he was unaware of ANY interviews by the FBI or DOJ of any of the dozens of witnesses to fraud that had come forward to them and sworn in affidavits describing election fraud. Does that sound like a DOJ that is doing it’s job or one that is not at all interested in investigation of claims of fraud?

It wasn’t like there was a press conference. He was asked a question in an newspaper interview and his full answer basically says nothing other than they haven’t found wide spread fraud but were continuing to look into any allegations sent to them. The Trump lawyers need to package everything they have and send it to the FBI. That said—-this crap takes time and there isn’t much time before the electors meet. That’s why the legal challenges based on violation of law look better to me because they are easy to prove in a short time window.

(12-02-2020 02:30 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 01:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 11:52 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  He didn't say there was no fraud he said there has not been any evidence of enough fraud to effect the outcome of the election. *THATS* the Bar (pun intended) which needs to be cleared.

Exactly. Even if you assume there was wide spread fraud, the chances that after just 4 weeks the FBI could come out and say for certain there was wide spread fraud is about zero. Fraud cases take time. In this case, you've got multiple states involved and--assuming most of the fraud is to be found in individual mail in ballots being cast by people other than the name on the envelope---it's slow painstaking work to grind through a stack of ballots to verify signatures and contact voters to see if they actually voted by mail. I doubt they are going to do that unless some sort of audit triggered by a civil suit discovers oddities. The Michigan audit that had gone through 30K Wayne County ballots that found a substantial number of dead people and/or otherwise faulty ballots (it was discussed in todays hearing) might be the kind of thing that could trigger an FBI investigation. And I would add, even if the Wayne County percentage of bad ballots found in that 30K sample (about 8%) was representative of the rest of the 160K mail in ballots in Wayne County---it still wouldnt change the outcome. That said--an 8% error rate in mail in ballots is big darn deal and could make a difference if its found to be true statewide.

Then he should have kept his damn mouth shut. No need to give the left any room to take that as “Trump is just being a sore loser!” Which is exactly what’s happening. The Amistad project founder said today that he was unaware of ANY interviews by the FBI or DOJ of any of the dozens of witnesses to fraud that had come forward to them and sworn in affidavits describing election fraud. Does that sound like a DOJ that is doing it’s job or one that is not at all interested in investigation of claims of fraud?

Then maybe the problem is the Trump people dragging their feet on "the kraken". There is a constitutional date by which the electors meet, and we are getting press conferences with vague accusations that do not even appear in their actual court challenges.

It's entirely possible that there was enough fraud to swing the election. But there is not the evidence out there to prove it.

(12-02-2020 08:09 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 02:30 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 01:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 11:52 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  He didn't say there was no fraud he said there has not been any evidence of enough fraud to effect the outcome of the election. *THATS* the Bar (pun intended) which needs to be cleared.

Exactly. Even if you assume there was wide spread fraud, the chances that after just 4 weeks the FBI could come out and say for certain there was wide spread fraud is about zero. Fraud cases take time. In this case, you've got multiple states involved and--assuming most of the fraud is to be found in individual mail in ballots being cast by people other than the name on the envelope---it's slow painstaking work to grind through a stack of ballots to verify signatures and contact voters to see if they actually voted by mail. I doubt they are going to do that unless some sort of audit triggered by a civil suit discovers oddities. The Michigan audit that had gone through 30K Wayne County ballots that found a substantial number of dead people and/or otherwise faulty ballots (it was discussed in todays hearing) might be the kind of thing that could trigger an FBI investigation. And I would add, even if the Wayne County percentage of bad ballots found in that 30K sample (about 8%) was representative of the rest of the 160K mail in ballots in Wayne County---it still wouldnt change the outcome. That said--an 8% error rate in mail in ballots is big darn deal and could make a difference if its found to be true statewide.

Then he should have kept his damn mouth shut. No need to give the left any room to take that as “Trump is just being a sore loser!” Which is exactly what’s happening. The Amistad project founder said today that he was unaware of ANY interviews by the FBI or DOJ of any of the dozens of witnesses to fraud that had come forward to them and sworn in affidavits describing election fraud. Does that sound like a DOJ that is doing it’s job or one that is not at all interested in investigation of claims of fraud?

Then maybe the problem is the Trump people dragging their feet on "the kraken". There is a constitutional date by which the electors meet, and we are getting press conferences with vague accusations that do not even appear in their actual court challenges.

It's entirely possible that there was enough fraud to swing the election. But there is not the evidence out there to prove it.

Undisciplined statements from Bill Barr are the LEAST of President Trump's hurdles. Whatever sincere interest the American public may have in ferreting out election integrity concerns is - - to no one's surprise - - being buried under irresponsible and unhelpful noise from the president and his so far less-than-impressive team.

(12-02-2020 01:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 11:52 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  He didn't say there was no fraud he said there has not been any evidence of enough fraud to effect the outcome of the election. *THATS* the Bar (pun intended) which needs to be cleared.

The Michigan audit that had gone through 30K Wayne County ballots that found a substantial number of dead people and/or otherwise faulty ballots (it was discussed in todays hearing) might be the kind of thing that could trigger an FBI investigation.

I didn't listen to the hearings, but did they say what was a "substantial number" of dead people?

5? 10? 100?

Did they name names?

DOJ just released a new statement saying the AP misquoted Barr and that he has not reached a conclusion that there was no fraud, that investigations are ongoing, and they will continue to determine whether fraud effected the outcome of the election.

(12-02-2020 09:38 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 01:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 11:52 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  He didn't say there was no fraud he said there has not been any evidence of enough fraud to effect the outcome of the election. *THATS* the Bar (pun intended) which needs to be cleared.

The Michigan audit that had gone through 30K Wayne County ballots that found a substantial number of dead people and/or otherwise faulty ballots (it was discussed in todays hearing) might be the kind of thing that could trigger an FBI investigation.

I didn't listen to the hearings, but did they say what was a "substantial number" of dead people?

5? 10? 100?

Did they name names?

It was something like 229 dead people. The rest of the 8% were ballots flawed in some other manner ( church or vacant lot address for instance).

(12-02-2020 10:05 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  DOJ just released a new statement saying the AP misquoted Barr and that he has not reached a conclusion that there was no fraud, that investigations are ongoing, and they will continue to determine whether fraud effected the outcome of the election.

And he added “we will get back to you with a report soon.....maybe 2032.”00

Jenna Ellis told Fox Business' Maria Bartiromo on "Mornings With Maria." "To our knowledge, the Department of Justice has NOT interviewed any of our witnesses, looked at any of our evidence. Everyone I think, every concerned American and the 74 million Americans that voted for President Trump is wondering, where's the Department of Justice?"

Barr can plausibly deny anything he doesn;t know about, and he doesn;t want to even TRY to find out, which is kind of his job, but then to expect anyone in Washington to actually DO their job, well, besides President trump, well...how 'bout that swampland we wuz talkin' 'bout?