(09-27-2020 10:54 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 09:20 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 08:14 AM)Claw Wrote:  You guys are nuts if you think we allow the west coast to secede and put a socialist country across our whole coast.

That cannot be allowed to happen.

Period.

The precedent has already been established. You want to leave the U.S.? Prepare for war.

I'd let California go. We'd keep Washington and Oregon for the ports.

You would simply be giving them a place to build for an invasion of the rest of us.

do you remember, "as cali goes, so goes the nation?!"

@noLonger

divide that fk'r in half, and have a good fk'n day swallowing phlegm....

(09-27-2020 11:15 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  California can't even muster up enough electricity to power their own air conditioning, how are they going to invade anyone?

last time I checked, they have more than a fire issue on their overspending sloe ginned hands....

#fkSoCal

(09-26-2020 06:33 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I don't either Coasty but what are we to do to protect ourselves and our nation? I don't even own a weapon but I know many who would lend me one if we had a civil war and I know how to use it even though I don't own one. Remember, I'm ex-military.

I pray to the Lord most every day to spare us of civil unrest. I hope He's listening, He doesn't listen to me I've found though.

I’d lend you an absolute stockpile brother.


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(09-26-2020 12:12 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  This is WHY we need the 5th conservative on the Supreme Court. They court can end this CRAP quickly. Dems already demanding the new justice recuse themselves from any election related cases, so Dems obviously have ill intent.

They can demand anything they like.

Go pound sand. Lifetime appointment.

(09-26-2020 01:56 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(09-26-2020 12:07 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  I am well past patience with anyone seeking to upend the rule of law, and incite a coupe.


Guantanamo for all. Much of this is edging directly on the line of treason at this point.

Edging? It's already spilled over, like an infinity pool. There needs to be some of those pieces of Schiff to face a guillotine ASAP.

Seems to me it may well be getting closer and closer to something along those lines. Thus the nervousness and even considering this idiocy.

It's not a D or an R game being exposed here, it's the DeeCee parlor game being flipped over Elliot Ness style and all the crooks being exposed.

They gettin plenty nervous, and know damn well they can't endure another 4 years of true scrutiny.


Trump/Barr getting the job done many didn't even know they wanted done. Or how to go about it.

Quote:2020 is a pivotal election year — perhaps the most important of our lifetime. I know, I know, we hear this every presidential election year.

But that’s precisely the problem: the perception that each election is the most important in our nation’s history, coupled with the erosion of the sanctity of our elections, has created a feedback loop of partisan rhetoric and escalation that ultimately threatens to make this common refrain a reality and push us to the brink of another civil war.

That perception manifested itself in Michael Anton’s 2016 essay “The Flight 93 Election.” Anton criticized conservatives who were still on the fence about then-candidate Donald Trump and compared the stakes of the election to those for the passengers of United Airlines Flight 93 on 9/11. With everything to lose in the event of a Clinton victory, conservatives had no choice but to endure Trump’s numerous flaws, “charge the cockpit” and commit to an all-or-nothing gamble.

The essay was easily the most read of the election cycle, but its significance lay less in how it persuaded many conservatives who were on the fence about Trump to take a risk with the candidate than how it unintentionally revealed that Americans had begun to perceive every election as an extinction-level event.

In 2016, many conservatives held their noses and cast their votes for Donald Trump because another Democratic victory, they believed, meant the end of American conservatism. The equal parts incompetent fool and evil mastermind that the Republican Party conjured in the visage of Hillary Clinton provided the perfect threat for the disparate factions of the conservative movement to unite against. Trump has provided a similar bogeyman for Democrats, who warned that the country would fall apart in a whirlwind of bigotry if he was allowed to sit in the Oval Office.

The pundits and elected officials similarly scream that 2020 is life or death. The madman Trump, the vile puppetmasters controlling senile old Joe Biden, they must be defeated. This all seems like fearmongering and bluster to get voters out on Election Day, but what happens when people begin to believe the slogans and rhetoric? Look at the violent actions of antifa on the left and the nonsensical conspiracy theories of the Q Anon crowd on the right. These instances and more show that large portions of the population have not only internalized this near-constant demonization of their political adversaries, but have sustained it across four years to the next election.

When a large portion of the right sees the left as Satanic and a large portion of the left sees the right as irredeemable Nazis, the function of a civil political process becomes impossible. Moreover, victory of the opposing party becomes unacceptable.

Every election these days is “the most important of our lifetime,” but that all too common refrain has become far more than a convenient slogan to drum up apathetic voters. The fact that we think that each election is pivotal to the survival of our ideologies will eventually become a self-fulfilling prophecy. With such high stakes, parties have no choice but to escalate the election, to bring all of their weapons to bear and beat the average voter over the head with enough scary phrases that he or she will take time from work to go and vote on a weekday.

Indeed, both political parties and the partisan media have every incentive to continue this cycle of escalation since it secures them a more fanatically loyal base and more money in their war chests.

The group hysteria has built up so much that, if one side doesn’t get its way, there is a real threat of violence. Court judges, executive orders and the bully pulpit that the office of the president provides are too integral to how the country currently functions, with its perpetual congressional impasse, that to lose the office for even a single term threatens the ideological survival of the losing side.

The Transition Integrity Project, which is made up of Democratic operatives like Donna Brazile and John Podesta and a veritable usual suspects list of Never Trumpers — Bill Kristol, Max Boot and David Frum — has provided perhaps the best example of this phenomenon for this election cycle. The Project formulated, ostensibly in the interest of protecting American democracy, a series of war games in which they forecasted the potential outcomes of the 2020 race.

Only one of their scenarios resulted in a peaceful transfer of power — a Biden landslide. A narrow Biden win, a Trump win and an uncertain result all ended in crisis, with Trump begin forcibly removed by the Secret Service in one scenario and the states on the Pacific coast threatening to secede from the union if they didn’t get their way in another.

Aside from the weaknesses in the methodology of the war games, having people who despise Trump’s very existence play team Trump in the simulation is never going to yield the best results, the exercise reveals two important points.

First, that anxiety about another four years of conservative rule has inspired powerful people within the Democratic Party to create a series of war games in which the military intervenes in a presidential election and several states secede. Just let that sink in. The very creation of the simulation escalates tensions between the two parties and begs a response from Republicans, who have no doubt already forecasted potential contingency plans should this election go awry.

Once you make war plans in the first place, they are more likely to be used in the real world.

Second, the simulation contains a veiled threat. Anything less than total victory for the Democrats, and there will be a constitutional crisis and violence in the streets.

Eventually, there comes a point of no return, in which one side’s move to escalate is perceived by the other to be a threat to its very survival and cannot be met with anything other than a total commitment. It’s similar to the game played by the United States and the Soviet Union during the Cold War — they could escalate tensions to the very edge, like in the Cuban Missile Crisis, but if one country moves to DEFCON 1, it’s already too late to avert nuclear war and a counter strike has to be implemented.

Whoever wins, the other side will dispute the legitimacy of the election — that is a foregone conclusion. Like Russia before, Democrats already have their storm cloud brewing if Trump wins: The Post Office conspiracy theory. And the Trump camp won’t be able to file lawsuits alleging mail-in voting fraud fast enough if Biden wins. (Indeed, they’re already suing New Jersey.)

If Trump wins, especially if he loses the popular vote again, Democrats will resurrect the specter of Russian interference for another four years and renew their efforts to dismantle the Electoral College.

Trump is also likely to lean on Chinese interference or Big Tech meddling to make the case that Biden is illegitimate. With any of those talking points, he and remaining congressional Republicans will have more than enough ammunition to bog down a Biden presidency in its own Russian collusion-type scandal for years.

This scenario portends a greater danger to American democracy than uncertainty of who exactly won on the night of November 3.

Another round of investigations, hearings, dossiers, prosecutions of political opponents and endless cable show talking points will yield the same gridlock that has plagued Congress and the Trump presidency for the past three and a half years. If this method of undermining the other party’s tenure in power continues, the government will essentially cease to function. We’ve seen the effect already, as more time is dedicated to punishing the victorious party for winning than actually governing.

With the passing of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Trump is entitled to nominate a successor under his purview as the president. However, this development is unacceptable to Democrats. Some have threatened violence if the president even nominates someone. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she would not rule out an impeachment of both Trump and Attorney General Bill Barr to block a Supreme Court appointment.

When a speaker of the House of Representatives threatens to impeach a president for carrying out his constitutionally mandated duties because it would be detrimental to her ideology and party, it becomes clear that both partisanship and government dysfunction have risen to heights not seen in this country for a century and a half.

Impeachment is supposed to be a last resort used to remove a blatantly criminal president, not as a cheap political tool to cow an opponent from carrying out what he is legally obligated to do.

What’s more, these shenanigans will delegitimize the process by which we break that gridlock. Candidates like Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders experienced such remarkable success in 2016 because of the widespread belief in both parties that things weren’t getting done in Washington. Business as usual was bad business for the average American, so they almost gave Bernie the Democratic nomination twice and sent Trump to the White House.

Previously, if the establishment became too complacent to the will of the people, the people could vote in a populist, such as FDR or Ronald Reagan, who would at the very least shake things up and motivate career politicians into paying just a bit more attention to their constituents’ needs and desires. Now, the very mechanism by which change can be made and encouraged, a presidential election, has been compromised.

The American people become rapidly impatient with gridlock and apparent do-nothing politicians. Agitators have always prospered in America. The Founders were agitators, after all. Except, this time, the mechanism by which those agitators can be elevated to the halls of power, an election, can be declared illegitimate — and that accusation can carry significant weight with a large section of the electorate. If both the government becomes unable to enact policies that affect people’s daily lives and provide a process by which they can replace ineffectual leaders, the people will start looking for alternatives.

What do those alternatives look like? Does one side “take their ball and go home?”

That’s what happened in the election of 1860. Southern Democrats had become reliant on the presidency to shore up the pro-slavery cause as the far more populous North dominated in the House of Representatives and the Senate slipped more and more out of their grasp with the addition of each new free state. Southern leaders became convinced that the continuation of slave power in a unified United States relied on Democratic presidents, so each successive presidential race in the 1850s, especially after the emergence of the explicitly anti-slavery Republican Party, carried higher and higher stakes for the slave states. Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan delivered victories, but the stakes had become so high by the 1860 election that a Republican victory essentially meant the end of slavery in the eyes of slaveholders. Once Lincoln secured his decisive victory in the electoral college, though he only got 40% of the popular vote, the situation could not be defused, and South Carolina began the secessionist domino effect a little over a month after Election Day.

The rise of even more radical groups like antifa on the left and the hodge-podge identitarian movements on the right could gain more popularity as they promise quick and decisive change from outside the political system.

A situation reminiscent of France in 1789 could arise as people become ever more frustrated by a government that concerns itself more with providing financial advantages to elites and catering to fringe “oppressed” groups rather than the bread and butter issues that average Americans really care about. The American people may decide to sidestep the established political process, rightly judging that it is hopelessly rigged, and start consummating the “Chop! Chop!” chants of the would-be Seattle secessionists a few months ago.

The coming election will likely break the American political process. The tensions we’re seeing now can’t last forever, and they are unlikely to dissipate in the event of a Biden victory. The center cannot hold, and both sides have invested too much to de-escalate. The powder keg that has been building within American democracy only requires a spark to erupt. At this point it seems that it is not a matter of if, but when.

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I was avoiding stepping in bear and coyote sh*t all weekend to put up deer stands..

Think I'm scared of a frail white kid that hangs out in mommy and daddy's basement on his down time eating hot pockets, s'mores, and wearing a snuggie.

(09-27-2020 08:07 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-27-2020 06:43 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  “The Biden team may encourage California, Washington, and Oregon to secede and form a new country—Cascadia—unless Congressional Republicans agree to “structural reforms to fix our democratic system” proposed by President Obama.”

So Leftists plan to secede and form their own country?
So if we don’t eliminate the Electoral College, and give California a bigger say in government, California will take its two little brothers and leave?
Don’t tease us. Leftists are so out of touch they think Republicans would care if they took those hell holes and left the Union? The only question I have is can you take New York City with you?
They’re so out of touch with reality they think we would mind, Come on Man. We’ll help you pack your crap and leave right now as long as you don’t change your mind like those Hollywood liberals always do.
So bottom line, leave....GTF out

If I were a member of congress, I would introduce a bill allowing California to conduct a binding secession referendum.

The problem with the Cascadia secession concept is that most of the OR and WA counties and inland CA would not support the secession; so, you're left with the California coast and the handful of counties surrounding Seattle, Portland and Eugene.

The territory that actually makes up most of the Cascadia region would remain in the U.S. The secession would look more like a series of CHAZ areas.

What makes those Demons think that the government would allow a secession? Lincoln didn't and I'm sure Trump wouldn't either. Their recourse is for those states to suck it up and not be such crybabies. It's just four years ago that they had a Demon in the WH why can't they wait for the next four years like Conservatives did with that Muslim loving Demon. We waited 8 lllllloooonnnnggg years and it wasn't pretty for us either. At least Trump is building up the nation instead of tearing it down in the homefront and overseas with apology tours.

Quote:The appointment of ACB took some of the focus off it, but if you look around, all you see are LARPing leftist jerks from Antifa and BLM rioting, always under the air cover of cowardly Dem mayors and Soros-bought DAs. Sure, there are no more riots in Lancaster where the cops and DAs refuse to play along, but there is still plenty of violence wherever they think they can get away with it. And it has become tiresome As amusing as it is that they burn liberal cities and harass the dipwad leftists who elected the scumbags’ enablers, it’s time to put a stop to it.

Conservatives must riot.

And we must riot mercilessly and ruthlessly to cause as much damage to the liberal project as is humanly possible. Burn it all down, figuratively.

The lefty fantasies of secession and civil war by the likes of Lanny Davis aside. These Democrat clowns are 0-1 and won’t break their streak in the very off chance they aren’t all-talk wusses posing to score with the mediocre chick-identifying beings of their little commie clubs. Their tantrum is not going to be resolved in the streets. After all, why would we ever fight them on their chosen battlefield? We have something to lose should there be battles in the streets. We have jobs, homes and families. All that can be stolen in a flash by some Democrat DA who prosecutes patriots while high-fiving the Joe Biden supporting traitors. Look at Kyle Rittenhouse, the hero who defended himself by shooting, among others, the most on-brand Joe Biden supporter ever – a convicted pedo attacking a minor. Kyle will walk. Too bad the jury can’t give him a medal as well as an acquittal – but the process itself is the punishment (Tangent: Time to outflank the Soros prosecutors with a federal law codifying a right to self-defense by those under politically-motivated attack).

The enemy – and the Marxist cretins of Antifa and the rest are the enemies of all decent American patriots – has nothing to lose. There are three visible components to the enemy force (there is another invisible component we will discuss later). None of the three types of rioters is significantly imperiled when staying within the staged confines of the blue city revolutionary theater.

There is the cadre, the trained and funded operators who organize and arrange logistics. One of them is the creature that rented the famous Louisville U-Haul and filled it with gear. The cadre have no real possessions or jobs to lose, and getting busted for an hour or two actually enhances their street cred. Then there are the street criminals, the methy, scuzzy dregs who love the thrill of violence and would be happy to put on Mickey ears and enlist with the Marxist Mouseketeers if that would give them a chance to hurt something or someone. They don’t have anything to lose. The last component are the affluent daddy issues division types, the spoiled and stupid college kids who shave half their head, get a piercing, and decide to take some time off from getting their Trans Pottery degree at Oberlin to try to find meaning as one of the Anarchkids. These dorks have a guaranteed soft landing since daddy will always bailout his little princexx should xe get busted. Their colleges – which need to be on our list of institutions to tear down – will certainly hold open their slot, as long as daddy’s check clears. These pampered role players get to fill their soft, empty lives with something like excitement by rioting. It’s even fun for them.

In other words, we normal people have something to lose using these riotous riot tactics. The visible enemy only has something to gain personally, but also strategically. As I have explained in past brilliant and insightful columns, the fight is not over who controls a street corner or a park. This is an information operation, where Democrat municipal leaders tolerate and even encourage performance art violence designed to send the message that the thugs are in charge and we all better behave or else.

It’s a lie. They have nothing real. They have no combat power, no tactical control of anything besides a few square blocks, and they only have that because the cops are held back by liberal city leaders. They have no more than the power we give them by fearing them and reacting to them.

So, civilians kicking their sissy tails is a meaningless exercise. For us, a riotous riot gets us nothing. Plus, we own the stuff that would get burned down. That means a traditional riotous riot is a dumb strategy for us, a counterproductive move that would play into the left’s nearly-nonexistent strengths while exposing our weaknesses.

Instead, we should riot our way. That is, attack the enemy in a manner the enemy can neither limit nor control and both cause real damage to its forces while demonstrating, as part of our own information operation, that we are in control.

There are two components to our riot. The first is a riot at the ballot box. We need to ruthlessly eliminate all opposing candidates of either party. That means mobilizing to turn out votes and to vote viciously. Your nice city councilman who is kind and gentle and sort of squishy? He cut the ribbon at the petting zoo and send you emails about a library book drive? Yeah, he needs to go in favor of the bomb-thrower who wants to buy the cops a new armored personnel carrier. No Democrats, not ever. No soft Republicans, not ever. Only harsh conservatives who loudly live the dogma. Elect conservawoke candidates who understand the threat, and who savor the opportunity to use their political power to harm the left in every way they can.

Sorry, Nikki! and other hands-across-the-aisle establishment types, but bipartisan hugging and business as usual is a loser’s game, and we’re sick of losers.

Then there’s the second kind of riot, the political one. And Donald Trump is doing it. He is refusing to fight according to the establishment rules that the Fredocons eagerly allowed to tie our hands for decades. The Never Trumpers need to keep their weird bondage fantasies between them, their disappointed wives, and their eager pool boys – a modern Republicans need to unleash our inner Genghis Khans and destroy everything liberal in our path.

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