I have been following this case closely because it brings to the forefront of when castle doctrine collides with police serving a no knock warrant on the wrong house. If you haven't heard of this case Louisville PD executed a no-knock warrant at 1am at the home of Breonna Walker, an EMT. In the process her boyfriend Kenneth Walker, licensed to carry, defended their home against intruders. In the process Breonna was shot 8 times by police and Kenneth was charged with attempted murder. The biggest kick in the teeth is the person they were looking for was already in custody.

It was always going to come down to if the police properly identified themselves. They say they did, but Walker and they neighbors say they didn't. Both parties have cause to claim their side as truth.

Either way, prosecutors have dropped charges for now while the FBI conducts an investigation.

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(05-27-2020 12:24 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  I have been following this case closely because it brings to the forefront of when castle doctrine collides with police serving a no knock warrant on the wrong house. If you haven't heard of this case Louisville PD executed a no-knock warrant at 1am at the home of Breonna Walker, an EMT. In the process her boyfriend Kenneth Walker, licensed to carry, defended their home against intruders. In the process Breonna was shot 8 times by police and Kenneth was charged with attempted murder. The biggest kick in the teeth is the person they were looking for was already in custody.

It was always going to come down to if the police properly identified themselves. They say they did, but Walker and they neighbors say they didn't. Both parties have cause to claim their side as truth.

Either way, prosecutors have dropped charges for now while the FBI conducts an investigation.

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In the confusion of someone breaking down your door, you may not register them saying police.

Reminds me of a situation in Lawrenceville, GA a couple of years ago. Police responded to what appears to have been a fake 911 call claiming shots. They went to a house snooping around the outside at 2AM. A 60+ year old vet came out with his gun after hearing the prowlers. They shot and killed him. Police weren't even at the right address.

Never heard of it again since the victim was white. Never heard the race of the police officers.

Good call on dropping the charges.

(05-27-2020 12:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 12:24 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  I have been following this case closely because it brings to the forefront of when castle doctrine collides with police serving a no knock warrant on the wrong house. If you haven't heard of this case Louisville PD executed a no-knock warrant at 1am at the home of Breonna Walker, an EMT. In the process her boyfriend Kenneth Walker, licensed to carry, defended their home against intruders. In the process Breonna was shot 8 times by police and Kenneth was charged with attempted murder. The biggest kick in the teeth is the person they were looking for was already in custody.

It was always going to come down to if the police properly identified themselves. They say they did, but Walker and they neighbors say they didn't. Both parties have cause to claim their side as truth.

Either way, prosecutors have dropped charges for now while the FBI conducts an investigation.

link

In the confusion of someone breaking down your door, you may not register them saying police.

Reminds me of a situation in Lawrenceville, GA a couple of years ago. Police responded to what appears to have been a fake 911 call claiming shots. They went to a house snooping around the outside at 2AM. A 60+ year old vet came out with his gun after hearing the prowlers. They shot and killed him. Police weren't even at the right address.

Never heard of it again since the victim was white. Never heard the race of the police officers.

Indiana changed the law in 2012 to expand the Castle Doctrine to make it legal to use deadly force against police who execute no-knock warrants if the officers turn out to be wrong.


Here's a quick summary of it from an Indiana sheriff's website:

"In 2012, the Indiana self-defense law was changed, permitting citizens to use reasonable force (not necessarily deadly force) against unlawful intrusion into their homes, curtilage, or occupied motor vehicles by any person, including public servants. This law altered the landscape of the Castle Doctrine by extending legal protection to those who would use force against the police."

"At least seven people were shot Thursday night in Louisville, Kentucky, during protests against police.

Shots rang out around 11:30 p.m., and two people were wounded badly enough to require surgery. All the wounded were civilians."

It's a shame that because of one stupid cop that didn't respond to the victim saying he couldn't breathe that all these incident have ensued. I came on record that the cop should be on trial for man-slaughter at least. The cops sometimes go overboard in their arrests because they can. Sometimes I hear of cops putting on handcuffs where they hurt the arrestee. A really passive aggressive action. Another one is when they are pursuing someone and when they get to them start beating up on him even though the perp may be on the ground. Sometimes cops get carried away because they have the BADGE. Believe me I don't hate cops, I hate abusive cops.

(05-29-2020 02:10 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  It's a shame that because of one stupid cop that didn't respond to the victim saying he couldn't breathe that all these incident have ensued. I came on record that the cop should be on trial for man-slaughter at least. The cops sometimes go overboard in their arrests because they can. Sometimes I hear of cops putting on handcuffs where they hurt the arrestee. A really passive aggressive action. Another one is when they are pursuing someone and when they get to them start beating up on him even though the perp may be on the ground. Sometimes cops get carried away because they have the BADGE. Believe me I don't hate cops, I hate abusive cops.

Sometimes its the adrenaline. They need to be trained to deal with that (referring to your hypothetical pursuit case, not this one).

They are protesting Downtown again tonight. It’s ironic that as the crowd chanted “Black Lives Mattter” that one of the morons pulled out a gun and shot 7 more black folks.

(05-29-2020 02:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 02:10 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  It's a shame that because of one stupid cop that didn't respond to the victim saying he couldn't breathe that all these incident have ensued. I came on record that the cop should be on trial for man-slaughter at least. The cops sometimes go overboard in their arrests because they can. Sometimes I hear of cops putting on handcuffs where they hurt the arrestee. A really passive aggressive action. Another one is when they are pursuing someone and when they get to them start beating up on him even though the perp may be on the ground. Sometimes cops get carried away because they have the BADGE. Believe me I don't hate cops, I hate abusive cops.

Sometimes its the adrenaline. They need to be trained to deal with that (referring to your hypothetical pursuit case, not this one).

Adrenaline may play a role, but it all boils down to lack of self-control. You aren't going to have a profession of this size without running into problems.

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(05-29-2020 02:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-29-2020 02:10 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  It's a shame that because of one stupid cop that didn't respond to the victim saying he couldn't breathe that all these incident have ensued. I came on record that the cop should be on trial for man-slaughter at least. The cops sometimes go overboard in their arrests because they can. Sometimes I hear of cops putting on handcuffs where they hurt the arrestee. A really passive aggressive action. Another one is when they are pursuing someone and when they get to them start beating up on him even though the perp may be on the ground. Sometimes cops get carried away because they have the BADGE. Believe me I don't hate cops, I hate abusive cops.

Sometimes its the adrenaline. They need to be trained to deal with that (referring to your hypothetical pursuit case, not this one).

The problem is no knock warrants period. If I'm some kind of horrible villain then all they need do is surround all access points and demand I come out. If I try to flush something they can retrieve it. There's no reason to kick in someone's door and enter with guns pointed because the first movement will draw fire first time every time. If you have the wrong people you have negligent homicide, but that doesn't help the damn victims does it? And here's the part nobody considers. They haven't been convicted. No Knock warrants are essentially the license for law enforcement to conduct a hit.