OK Wade

(05-07-2020 03:14 PM)Wade Holt Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 02:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 01:34 PM)Wade Holt Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 12:24 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 12:11 PM)Wade Holt Wrote:  Not attractive but likely shrewd in her thinking. She knows there's plenty of gullible people out there and probably thought things through with this stunt.

In other words, she's able to strategize and outwit idiots, something Obama couldnt do to save his life.

In other words, this doesn't have a thing to do with Obama and there's many right winged fools out there who are willing to give away what they can't afford to in order to make her wealthier than she is now.

You lost, skippy. Something you should be used to by now.

And in other news, Obama's still a f*cking idiot.

I have nothing to lose skippy because I don't play childish games. And I'm sure Obama doesn't give a rat's ass what's said by a random poster on a message board.

That's ALL you do.

So, what are you more emotionally upset about?

That she has had an outpouring by fellow Patriots that gives her a little nest egg? That she's already been successful, or that she isn't sitting in a jail cell while violent criminals are being let out all across the Country?

Honest debate.

(05-07-2020 01:45 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 11:58 AM)Wade Holt Wrote:  Shelley Luther was found in contempt of court.

It seems that a majority of Americans agree that this particular court deserved contempt. She was nice, not disrespectful when she told that flaming icehole of a judge that feeding her family was not "selfish."

If I had the guts to do what she did in ignoring the order and got hauled into court and had to listen to the sanctimonious bs spew from his mouth I might have said to him that it is really EASY from where he sits, still getting paid to dispense such nonsense and demand an apology to what is likely an unconstitutional order. I wouldn't have been so deferential but his punitive sentence for her shows that it would just get me in more hot water.

I want to see an avalanche of lawsuits against all those budding authoritarians across the country who have overstepped their authority. There IS no exception in the Constitution allowing government to take away rights in a crisis.

Some folks are just awakening to the idea across the country that political animals don't even think about the Constitution when they debate/consider legislation. It's been this way for quite some time and some congress critters have admitted as much. Perhaps this is the time/opportunity to remind them in a way that hits them hard.

Our own great state's in big trouble. It's very sad seeing.
(go broncos)

This will snowball I hope until everything is open again. Got to go faster!

(05-08-2020 12:59 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

This will snowball I hope until everything is open again. Got to go faster!

Great news!

But take off those stupid masks!

I'm surprised CNN hasn't ran a negative "story" yet about Ted Cruz' tip to the stylist

Trump made Ted a man.

(05-07-2020 12:17 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(05-07-2020 12:11 PM)Wade Holt Wrote:  Not attractive

you must be light in the loafers

I don't think the typical pair of loafers has 4" heels and hangs out downtown at midnight.

Does TX elect judges?

If so this guy will be toast in his next go round

(05-09-2020 08:12 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Does TX elect judges?

If so this guy will be toast in his next go round

Yes he is elected. But, he was elected in Dallas, so he probably won't get ousted by the voters. Houston, Dallas, Austin, and El Paso, are large cities that are infested with liberals just like all major cities across America. That is why good people leave and they are overrun by crime. It is the rural areas that keep Texas great. Thank God for redistricting.

I would like to know why Shelley thought she was special, the law didn't apply to her, and she didn't have to comply?
She stayed open while her competitors closed. She likely increased her business on the backs of other businesses that were abiding by the law. She profited at their expense.

The judge overreached on asking for the apology and jail time...but Shelley deserved to be fined and shut down.

(05-10-2020 08:45 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  I would like to know why Shelley thought she was special, the law didn't apply to her, and she didn't have to comply?
She stayed open while her competitors closed. She likely increased her business on the backs of other businesses that were abiding by the law. She profited at their expense.

The judge overreached on asking for the apology and jail time...but Shelley deserved to be fined and shut down.

Yeah, why should Americans care about and stand up to unjust laws?

Oh, or is that only the left that gets to do that?

(05-10-2020 09:36 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 08:45 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  I would like to know why Shelley thought she was special, the law didn't apply to her, and she didn't have to comply?
She stayed open while her competitors closed. She likely increased her business on the backs of other businesses that were abiding by the law. She profited at their expense.

The judge overreached on asking for the apology and jail time...but Shelley deserved to be fined and shut down.

Yeah, why should Americans care about and stand up to unjust laws?

Oh, or is that only the left that gets to do that?

I'm not a leftist. Far from it.
But I do believe in the rule of law and equal application of the law.
Miss Shelley was wrong and self-serving.

Suppose you think driving 65 mph is an unjust law or a stupid unnecessary law.
You might believe you can judge for yourself how fast you drive.
You might believe you are perfectly safe driving at 90 mph.
You might not care if you risk your own life.

However the Law is 65 mph because if you have an accident at 90 mph you might kill or hurt someone else.

Are you simply allowed to ignore that law and drive whatever speed you want?
If you do speed and are caught what happens?
You get fined. You might see a day in Court.
You could even face jail time for flagrantly breaking that law…
even though you think the law is unjust.

The USA is a Nation of Laws.
We peacefully coexist with each other by abiding by the Laws
or facing penalty if we don't.

If Miss Shelley didn't like the Law…
she could've protested, filled a Court action asking for a review, asked for a hardship exception to it or some other legal remedy...

She ignored potential legal remedies...
She drove 90 in a 65.
She was caught and fined just like any other citizen should be.
She continued to flagrantly ignore it and faced jail.

#notsorryforshelley

Quote:A mother has been pulled away from her screaming son as she was arrested for protesting ‘for her rights’ during the coronavirus pandemic.

Video footage shared on Twitter showed the woman speaking with police officers near Parliament of New South Wales in Sydney’s CBD about 3:50 pm on Saturday.

The woman, who was with her son, wore a yellow sign that read: ‘If you don’t know your rights, you don’t have any. Magna Carta.’

She told police she was not doing anything wrong, despite the government’s social distancing regulations implemented during the health crisis.

The tweet is incorrect. She was not arrested for violating lockdown, she was arrested for calling for citizens to stand up for her rights.

Even more, the police dishonestly attempt to block bystanders from filming the crime perpetrated by the police against the fundamental human rights of the mother and child.

These police officers are no better than the Gestapo.

I know this isn’t America, but we’ve seen similar arrests made here too. You may recall the mother on the playground who was arrested a few weeks ago.

Every officer should be embarrassed to walk in the door to their homes at the end of the day. You’re not protecting a damn thing with actions like this.

Link

(05-10-2020 12:36 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:36 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 08:45 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  I would like to know why Shelley thought she was special, the law didn't apply to her, and she didn't have to comply?
She stayed open while her competitors closed. She likely increased her business on the backs of other businesses that were abiding by the law. She profited at their expense.

The judge overreached on asking for the apology and jail time...but Shelley deserved to be fined and shut down.

Yeah, why should Americans care about and stand up to unjust laws?

Oh, or is that only the left that gets to do that?

I'm not a leftist. Far from it.
But I do believe in the rule of law and equal application of the law.
Miss Shelley was wrong and self-serving.

Suppose you think driving 65 mph is an unjust law or a stupid unnecessary law.
You might believe you can judge for yourself how fast you drive.
You might believe you are perfectly safe driving at 90 mph.
You might not care if you risk your own life.

However the Law is 65 mph because if you have an accident at 90 mph you might kill or hurt someone else.

Are you simply allowed to ignore that law and drive whatever speed you want?
If you do speed and are caught what happens?
You get fined. You might see a day in Court.
You could even face jail time for flagrantly breaking that law…
even though you think the law is unjust.

The USA is a Nation of Laws.
We peacefully coexist with each other by abiding by the Laws
or facing penalty if we don't.

If Miss Shelley didn't like the Law…
she could've protested, filled a Court action asking for a review, asked for a hardship exception to it or some other legal remedy...

She ignored potential legal remedies...
She drove 90 in a 65.
She was caught and fined just like any other citizen should be.
She continued to flagrantly ignore it and faced jail.

#notsorryforshelley

I'm sorry. I wasn't suggesting you were a leftist.

I do understand the rule of law.

But as I grow older I also understand just vs unjust laws.

There are orders that military personnel can refuse to obey.

Likewise, there are laws which on their face are so repugnant that they should not be obeyed.

Should Germans have obeyed the laws requiring them to turn in Jews?

Should Americans have willfully owned slaves?

Technically, Memphis had imposed a stay-at-home order and set up a call in line (Dial 311) to report violators. Should I have called to report violators?

(05-10-2020 02:33 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 12:36 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:36 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 08:45 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  I would like to know why Shelley thought she was special, the law didn't apply to her, and she didn't have to comply?
She stayed open while her competitors closed. She likely increased her business on the backs of other businesses that were abiding by the law. She profited at their expense.

The judge overreached on asking for the apology and jail time...but Shelley deserved to be fined and shut down.

Yeah, why should Americans care about and stand up to unjust laws?

Oh, or is that only the left that gets to do that?

I'm not a leftist. Far from it.
But I do believe in the rule of law and equal application of the law.
Miss Shelley was wrong and self-serving.

Suppose you think driving 65 mph is an unjust law or a stupid unnecessary law.
You might believe you can judge for yourself how fast you drive.
You might believe you are perfectly safe driving at 90 mph.
You might not care if you risk your own life.

However the Law is 65 mph because if you have an accident at 90 mph you might kill or hurt someone else.

Are you simply allowed to ignore that law and drive whatever speed you want?
If you do speed and are caught what happens?
You get fined. You might see a day in Court.
You could even face jail time for flagrantly breaking that law…
even though you think the law is unjust.

The USA is a Nation of Laws.
We peacefully coexist with each other by abiding by the Laws
or facing penalty if we don't.

If Miss Shelley didn't like the Law…
she could've protested, filled a Court action asking for a review, asked for a hardship exception to it or some other legal remedy...

She ignored potential legal remedies...
She drove 90 in a 65.
She was caught and fined just like any other citizen should be.
She continued to flagrantly ignore it and faced jail.

#notsorryforshelley

I'm sorry. I wasn't suggesting you were a leftist.

I do understand the rule of law.

But as I grow older I also understand just vs unjust laws.

There are orders that military personnel can refuse to obey.

Likewise, there are laws which on their face are so repugnant that they should not be obeyed.

Should Germans have obeyed the laws requiring them to turn in Jews?

Should Americans have willfully owned slaves?

Technically, Memphis had imposed a stay-at-home order and set up a call in line (Dial 311) to report violators. Should I have called to report violators?

Are you even trying to equate turning in Jews or owning slaves with keeping a business closed for 6 weeks for the health of the community?

Of course one could and should object to something that is so clearly morally wrong (owning or turning in another human)...

…But how is closing down a business for 6-8 weeks because of a pandemic in any way a moral wrong?

One could argue the moral wrong was keeping the business open as more people would potentially be endangered by disease spread.

(05-11-2020 12:04 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 02:33 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 12:36 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:36 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 08:45 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  I would like to know why Shelley thought she was special, the law didn't apply to her, and she didn't have to comply?
She stayed open while her competitors closed. She likely increased her business on the backs of other businesses that were abiding by the law. She profited at their expense.

The judge overreached on asking for the apology and jail time...but Shelley deserved to be fined and shut down.

Yeah, why should Americans care about and stand up to unjust laws?

Oh, or is that only the left that gets to do that?

I'm not a leftist. Far from it.
But I do believe in the rule of law and equal application of the law.
Miss Shelley was wrong and self-serving.

Suppose you think driving 65 mph is an unjust law or a stupid unnecessary law.
You might believe you can judge for yourself how fast you drive.
You might believe you are perfectly safe driving at 90 mph.
You might not care if you risk your own life.

However the Law is 65 mph because if you have an accident at 90 mph you might kill or hurt someone else.

Are you simply allowed to ignore that law and drive whatever speed you want?
If you do speed and are caught what happens?
You get fined. You might see a day in Court.
You could even face jail time for flagrantly breaking that law…
even though you think the law is unjust.

The USA is a Nation of Laws.
We peacefully coexist with each other by abiding by the Laws
or facing penalty if we don't.

If Miss Shelley didn't like the Law…
she could've protested, filled a Court action asking for a review, asked for a hardship exception to it or some other legal remedy...

She ignored potential legal remedies...
She drove 90 in a 65.
She was caught and fined just like any other citizen should be.
She continued to flagrantly ignore it and faced jail.

#notsorryforshelley

I'm sorry. I wasn't suggesting you were a leftist.

I do understand the rule of law.

But as I grow older I also understand just vs unjust laws.

There are orders that military personnel can refuse to obey.

Likewise, there are laws which on their face are so repugnant that they should not be obeyed.

Should Germans have obeyed the laws requiring them to turn in Jews?

Should Americans have willfully owned slaves?

Technically, Memphis had imposed a stay-at-home order and set up a call in line (Dial 311) to report violators. Should I have called to report violators?

Are you even trying to equate turning in Jews or owning slaves with keeping a business closed for 6 weeks for the health of the community?

Of course one could and should object to something that is so clearly morally wrong (owning or turning in another human)...

…But how is closing down a business for 6-8 weeks because of a pandemic in any way a moral wrong?

One could argue the moral wrong was keeping the business open as more people would potentially be endangered by disease spread.

Spreading the disease is exactly what you want to build herd immunity. Isolation makes it worse. Comorbid people that is a different matter. Also salons are not jam packed they are ironically spread out, chairs, stations are not on top of each other.
The entire shutdown has been one size fits all across the country which is absurd.

Laws and dictatorial edicts are two very different things.

Those same people handing down the equivalent of Marshal Law on business will be the same people in 6, 9, 12 months who will be nowhere to be found when these same stores ultimately have to close and file Bankruptcy. The decisions of leadership will force the close of too many of these businesses permanently. Who will take responsible for that? Who will refund them their loss, and the pay it forward loss to those who no longer get theirs as bankruptcy laws punish them and so on.....

Survival has as much to do with earning a living as it does being exposed to and perishing from Corona Virus (or any other illness). You have a choice to quarantine yourself from human contact if you are in that much fear - YOUR choice. You should also have the choice to earn a living - YOUR choice. Nobody may come to patronize you when you are open, but that opportunity should not be dictated by politicians who will not be there to bail you out in the end if you fail because of THEIR decisions.

(05-11-2020 12:04 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 02:33 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 12:36 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:36 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 08:45 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  I would like to know why Shelley thought she was special, the law didn't apply to her, and she didn't have to comply?
She stayed open while her competitors closed. She likely increased her business on the backs of other businesses that were abiding by the law. She profited at their expense.

The judge overreached on asking for the apology and jail time...but Shelley deserved to be fined and shut down.

Yeah, why should Americans care about and stand up to unjust laws?

Oh, or is that only the left that gets to do that?

I'm not a leftist. Far from it.
But I do believe in the rule of law and equal application of the law.
Miss Shelley was wrong and self-serving.

Suppose you think driving 65 mph is an unjust law or a stupid unnecessary law.
You might believe you can judge for yourself how fast you drive.
You might believe you are perfectly safe driving at 90 mph.
You might not care if you risk your own life.

However the Law is 65 mph because if you have an accident at 90 mph you might kill or hurt someone else.

Are you simply allowed to ignore that law and drive whatever speed you want?
If you do speed and are caught what happens?
You get fined. You might see a day in Court.
You could even face jail time for flagrantly breaking that law…
even though you think the law is unjust.

The USA is a Nation of Laws.
We peacefully coexist with each other by abiding by the Laws
or facing penalty if we don't.

If Miss Shelley didn't like the Law…
she could've protested, filled a Court action asking for a review, asked for a hardship exception to it or some other legal remedy...

She ignored potential legal remedies...
She drove 90 in a 65.
She was caught and fined just like any other citizen should be.
She continued to flagrantly ignore it and faced jail.

#notsorryforshelley

I'm sorry. I wasn't suggesting you were a leftist.

I do understand the rule of law.

But as I grow older I also understand just vs unjust laws.

There are orders that military personnel can refuse to obey.

Likewise, there are laws which on their face are so repugnant that they should not be obeyed.

Should Germans have obeyed the laws requiring them to turn in Jews?

Should Americans have willfully owned slaves?

Technically, Memphis had imposed a stay-at-home order and set up a call in line (Dial 311) to report violators. Should I have called to report violators?

Are you even trying to equate turning in Jews or owning slaves with keeping a business closed for 6 weeks for the health of the community?

Of course one could and should object to something that is so clearly morally wrong (owning or turning in another human)...

…But how is closing down a business for 6-8 weeks because of a pandemic in any way a moral wrong?

One could argue the moral wrong was keeping the business open as more people would potentially be endangered by disease spread.

No, I'm trying to show an unjust law is just that -- unjust. You can use emotion to show Instance A is so much worse than Instance B -- and on a moral level that very well may be true.

But if a law is wrong, it's wrong. Some unjust laws result in no loss of human life while others result in mass genocide.

Here's the thing, though... you never know where a small change today may lead to tomorrow.

(05-11-2020 12:04 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 02:33 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 12:36 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:36 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 08:45 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  I would like to know why Shelley thought she was special, the law didn't apply to her, and she didn't have to comply?
She stayed open while her competitors closed. She likely increased her business on the backs of other businesses that were abiding by the law. She profited at their expense.

The judge overreached on asking for the apology and jail time...but Shelley deserved to be fined and shut down.

Yeah, why should Americans care about and stand up to unjust laws?

Oh, or is that only the left that gets to do that?

I'm not a leftist. Far from it.
But I do believe in the rule of law and equal application of the law.
Miss Shelley was wrong and self-serving.

Suppose you think driving 65 mph is an unjust law or a stupid unnecessary law.
You might believe you can judge for yourself how fast you drive.
You might believe you are perfectly safe driving at 90 mph.
You might not care if you risk your own life.

However the Law is 65 mph because if you have an accident at 90 mph you might kill or hurt someone else.

Are you simply allowed to ignore that law and drive whatever speed you want?
If you do speed and are caught what happens?
You get fined. You might see a day in Court.
You could even face jail time for flagrantly breaking that law…
even though you think the law is unjust.

The USA is a Nation of Laws.
We peacefully coexist with each other by abiding by the Laws
or facing penalty if we don't.

If Miss Shelley didn't like the Law…
she could've protested, filled a Court action asking for a review, asked for a hardship exception to it or some other legal remedy...

She ignored potential legal remedies...
She drove 90 in a 65.
She was caught and fined just like any other citizen should be.
She continued to flagrantly ignore it and faced jail.

#notsorryforshelley

I'm sorry. I wasn't suggesting you were a leftist.

I do understand the rule of law.

But as I grow older I also understand just vs unjust laws.

There are orders that military personnel can refuse to obey.

Likewise, there are laws which on their face are so repugnant that they should not be obeyed.

Should Germans have obeyed the laws requiring them to turn in Jews?

Should Americans have willfully owned slaves?

Technically, Memphis had imposed a stay-at-home order and set up a call in line (Dial 311) to report violators. Should I have called to report violators?

Are you even trying to equate turning in Jews or owning slaves with keeping a business closed for 6 weeks for the health of the community?

Of course one could and should object to something that is so clearly morally wrong (owning or turning in another human)...

…But how is closing down a business for 6-8 weeks because of a pandemic in any way a moral wrong?

One could argue the moral wrong was keeping the business open as more people would potentially be endangered by disease spread.

As far as the question as to how it's morally wrong to shut down a business...

They didn't just shut down a business. They shut down the economy. They shut down the people's right to peaceably assembly. They shut down the rights of people to worship as they see fit.

And while they say it was to protect human life, they did it at the COST of human life. How many people have died due to fear of going to the emergency room? How many people have taken or will take their own lives due economic hardship. We know of two healthcare workers who were so stressed they took their own lives.