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RE: Coronovirus and Cable TV News
(04-03-2020 07:06 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 06:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 01:27 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Pew Research Study


Nothing too surprising...
79% of Fox viewers believe the media overhyped the Coronavirus
39% of Fox viewers believe the virus was produced in a lab and not naturally
29% of Fox viewers believe a vaccine is either already available or will be available within a “few” months.


MSNBC’s audience is right on more topics
66% believe virus is naturally occurring
78% believe vaccine is over 1 year away
35% believe media overhyped the Coronavirus

CNN’s audience is somewhat in the middle of these two in their opinions of the coverage.


Survey conducted March 10-16 prior to Fox shifting the tone of its coverage...



Wait a second, let's measure each percentage from the same end, and see how that looks.

MSNBC, 66% believe the virus is naturally occurring.
Fox, 61% believe the same.

MSNBC, 78% believe the vaccine is over a year away.
Fox, 71% believe the same.

Only the view of the media is significantly different. Duh...

Nope... according to Pew, had you taken the opportunity to read their findings and not defend your chosen source of news...
only...
37% of Fox viewers believe it naturally occurring and 22% listed DK
51% of Fox viewers believe the vaccine Will be ready in a year... 17% not sure.

Defending Fox? LOL. I don't give a crap about any of the cable news channels. They are all extremely biased. Fox is simply the only one who gives the other POV.

No, I simply pointed out how you (or Pew) presented the info, which is misleading, independent of the results. I didn't bother to read the details, b/c I don't care. I should have said, to be more accurate, that the other percentage was a combo of what I described or obviously had no opinion.

But back to the real point. Highlighting 39% and 29% of a polled audience as THE finding of the group is statistically inaccurate, and thus misleading.
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RE: Coronovirus and Cable TV News
(04-03-2020 09:36 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 07:06 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 06:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 01:27 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Pew Research Study


Nothing too surprising...
79% of Fox viewers believe the media overhyped the Coronavirus
39% of Fox viewers believe the virus was produced in a lab and not naturally
29% of Fox viewers believe a vaccine is either already available or will be available within a “few” months.


MSNBC’s audience is right on more topics
66% believe virus is naturally occurring
78% believe vaccine is over 1 year away
35% believe media overhyped the Coronavirus

CNN’s audience is somewhat in the middle of these two in their opinions of the coverage.


Survey conducted March 10-16 prior to Fox shifting the tone of its coverage...



Wait a second, let's measure each percentage from the same end, and see how that looks.

MSNBC, 66% believe the virus is naturally occurring.
Fox, 61% believe the same.

MSNBC, 78% believe the vaccine is over a year away.
Fox, 71% believe the same.

Only the view of the media is significantly different. Duh...

Nope... according to Pew, had you taken the opportunity to read their findings and not defend your chosen source of news...
only...
37% of Fox viewers believe it naturally occurring and 22% listed DK
51% of Fox viewers believe the vaccine Will be ready in a year... 17% not sure.

Defending Fox? LOL. I don't give a crap about any of the cable news channels. They are all extremely biased. Fox is simply the only one who gives the other POV.

No, I simply pointed out how you (or Pew) presented the info, which is misleading, independent of the results. I din't bother to read the details, b/c I don't care. I should have said, to be more accurate, that the other percentage was a combo of what I described or obviously had no opinion.

But back to the real point. Highlighting 39% and 29% of a polled audience as THE finding of the group is statistically inaccurate, and thus misleading.

This is what today's press does and one of the main reasons I choose to avoid the 24 hour news.
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RE: Coronovirus and Cable TV News
(04-03-2020 09:41 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 09:36 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 07:06 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 06:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 01:27 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Pew Research Study


Nothing too surprising...
79% of Fox viewers believe the media overhyped the Coronavirus
39% of Fox viewers believe the virus was produced in a lab and not naturally
29% of Fox viewers believe a vaccine is either already available or will be available within a “few” months.


MSNBC’s audience is right on more topics
66% believe virus is naturally occurring
78% believe vaccine is over 1 year away
35% believe media overhyped the Coronavirus

CNN’s audience is somewhat in the middle of these two in their opinions of the coverage.


Survey conducted March 10-16 prior to Fox shifting the tone of its coverage...



Wait a second, let's measure each percentage from the same end, and see how that looks.

MSNBC, 66% believe the virus is naturally occurring.
Fox, 61% believe the same.

MSNBC, 78% believe the vaccine is over a year away.
Fox, 71% believe the same.

Only the view of the media is significantly different. Duh...

Nope... according to Pew, had you taken the opportunity to read their findings and not defend your chosen source of news...
only...
37% of Fox viewers believe it naturally occurring and 22% listed DK
51% of Fox viewers believe the vaccine Will be ready in a year... 17% not sure.

Defending Fox? LOL. I don't give a crap about any of the cable news channels. They are all extremely biased. Fox is simply the only one who gives the other POV.

No, I simply pointed out how you (or Pew) presented the info, which is misleading, independent of the results. I din't bother to read the details, b/c I don't care. I should have said, to be more accurate, that the other percentage was a combo of what I described or obviously had no opinion.

But back to the real point. Highlighting 39% and 29% of a polled audience as THE finding of the group is statistically inaccurate, and thus misleading.

This is what today's press does and one of the main reasons I choose to avoid the 24 hour news.

I tend to favor TV over reading, b/c I can have the TV on in the background while I'm on the net, reading, posting, whatever.

As long as you KNOW all the TV cable channels are wildly biased, you can triangulate to a semblance of the truth.

Also, it's helpful to watch Fox, b/c otherwise, you would miss a lot of potentially accurate stories (and POV) that the other 2 simply refuse to air.

As for the nightly news networks, I reject the idea (posted by somebody else) that they are any better. They aren't. They just don't have the same amount of air time.
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(04-03-2020 07:56 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Watching any of those "news" outlets is something akin to watching Tiger King....
If you are watching it, you area asking yourself - Are these cartoon characters or are these people for real?
I find it difficult to trust any of them - I watch ABC and/or NBC National News at 6:30 just to keep up with the rhetoric.... But I take all of it with a grain of salt.
Fox is way right and almost all of the rest are Way left - like in the endzone on each side. At least ABC and NBC are somewhere "between the 30's" - ok the 20's.....

I don't think anybody is between the 20s, much less the 30s. ABC and NBC are just more subtle about their biases.
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RE: Coronovirus and Cable TV News
(04-03-2020 09:53 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 09:41 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 09:36 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 07:06 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 06:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Wait a second, let's measure each percentage from the same end, and see how that looks.

MSNBC, 66% believe the virus is naturally occurring.
Fox, 61% believe the same.

MSNBC, 78% believe the vaccine is over a year away.
Fox, 71% believe the same.

Only the view of the media is significantly different. Duh...

Nope... according to Pew, had you taken the opportunity to read their findings and not defend your chosen source of news...
only...
37% of Fox viewers believe it naturally occurring and 22% listed DK
51% of Fox viewers believe the vaccine Will be ready in a year... 17% not sure.

Defending Fox? LOL. I don't give a crap about any of the cable news channels. They are all extremely biased. Fox is simply the only one who gives the other POV.

No, I simply pointed out how you (or Pew) presented the info, which is misleading, independent of the results. I din't bother to read the details, b/c I don't care. I should have said, to be more accurate, that the other percentage was a combo of what I described or obviously had no opinion.

But back to the real point. Highlighting 39% and 29% of a polled audience as THE finding of the group is statistically inaccurate, and thus misleading.

This is what today's press does and one of the main reasons I choose to avoid the 24 hour news.

I tend to favor TV over reading, b/c I can have the TV on in the background while I'm on the net, reading, posting, whatever.

As long as you KNOW all the TV cable channels are wildly biased, you can triangulate to a semblance of the truth.

Also, it's helpful to watch Fox, b/c otherwise, you would miss a lot of potentially accurate stories (and POV) that the other 2 simply refuse to air.

As for the nightly news networks, I reject the idea (posted by somebody else) that they are any better. They aren't. They just don't have the same amount of air time.

I agree. In actuallity, I tend to only watch the local news since they focus primarily on local issues. Yes, they will talk about national stuff but it's usually for just a couple of minutes verus all day. They usually don't opinionate on said national news which is what I like the most.
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RE: Coronovirus and Cable TV News
(04-03-2020 01:27 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Pew Research Study


Nothing too surprising...
79% of Fox viewers believe the media overhyped the Coronavirus
39% of Fox viewers believe the virus was produced in a lab and not naturally
29% of Fox viewers believe a vaccine is either already available or will be available within a “few” months.


MSNBC’s audience is right on more topics
66% believe virus is naturally occurring
78% believe vaccine is over 1 year away
35% believe media overhyped the Coronavirus

CNN’s audience is somewhat in the middle of these two in their opinions of the coverage.


Survey conducted March 10-16 prior to Fox shifting the tone of its coverage...



Interesting you think this is "right". It actually depends on how this question was asked. The "right" answer is we have no idea where it came from. It may have occurred naturally in wet market...or it may have occurred naturally in a Wuhan lab where the animals were kept. I believe there is a paper recently released by a Chinese University that indicates that the type of bat it came from was not available in the wet market---but that type of bat WAS being used by the 2 labs in Wuhan.

The truth is, we know a lot less about the origin of this virus than you think we do.
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RE: Coronovirus and Cable TV News
(04-03-2020 10:02 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 01:27 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Pew Research Study


Nothing too surprising...
79% of Fox viewers believe the media overhyped the Coronavirus
39% of Fox viewers believe the virus was produced in a lab and not naturally
29% of Fox viewers believe a vaccine is either already available or will be available within a “few” months.


MSNBC’s audience is right on more topics
66% believe virus is naturally occurring
78% believe vaccine is over 1 year away
35% believe media overhyped the Coronavirus

CNN’s audience is somewhat in the middle of these two in their opinions of the coverage.


Survey conducted March 10-16 prior to Fox shifting the tone of its coverage...



Interesting you think this is "right". It actually depends on how this question was asked. The "right" answer is we have no idea where it came from. It may have occurred naturally in wet market...or it may have occurred naturally in a Wuhan lab where the animals were kept. I believe there is a paper recently released by a Chinese University that indicates that the type of bat it came from was not available in the wet market---but that type of bat WAS being used by the 2 labs in Wuhan.

The truth is, we know a lot less about the origin of this virus than you think we do.

Considering China, we may never know the true origin of the virus.
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RE: Coronovirus and Cable TV News
(04-03-2020 10:06 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 10:02 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 01:27 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Pew Research Study


Nothing too surprising...
79% of Fox viewers believe the media overhyped the Coronavirus
39% of Fox viewers believe the virus was produced in a lab and not naturally
29% of Fox viewers believe a vaccine is either already available or will be available within a “few” months.


MSNBC’s audience is right on more topics
66% believe virus is naturally occurring
78% believe vaccine is over 1 year away
35% believe media overhyped the Coronavirus

CNN’s audience is somewhat in the middle of these two in their opinions of the coverage.


Survey conducted March 10-16 prior to Fox shifting the tone of its coverage...



Interesting you think this is "right". It actually depends on how this question was asked. The "right" answer is we have no idea where it came from. It may have occurred naturally in wet market...or it may have occurred naturally in a Wuhan lab where the animals were kept. I believe there is a paper recently released by a Chinese University that indicates that the type of bat it came from was not available in the wet market---but that type of bat WAS being used by the 2 labs in Wuhan.

The truth is, we know a lot less about the origin of this virus than you think we do.

Considering China, we may never know the true origin of the virus.

It's more likely that the Chinese government will mislead as to the origins than help in figuring it out.

China will always do what best for the communist party of China......they'll screw their own people and will screw us even quicker if it's "best for the party".........
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Coronovirus and Cable TV News
(04-03-2020 10:02 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 01:27 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Pew Research Study


Nothing too surprising...
79% of Fox viewers believe the media overhyped the Coronavirus
39% of Fox viewers believe the virus was produced in a lab and not naturally
29% of Fox viewers believe a vaccine is either already available or will be available within a “few” months.


MSNBC’s audience is right on more topics
66% believe virus is naturally occurring
78% believe vaccine is over 1 year away
35% believe media overhyped the Coronavirus

CNN’s audience is somewhat in the middle of these two in their opinions of the coverage.


Survey conducted March 10-16 prior to Fox shifting the tone of its coverage...



Interesting you think this is "right". It actually depends on how this question was asked. The "right" answer is we have no idea where it came from. It may have occurred naturally in wet market...or it may have occurred naturally in a Wuhan lab where the animals were kept. I believe there is a paper recently released by a Chinese University that indicates that the type of bat it came from was not available in the wet market---but that type of bat WAS being used by the 2 labs in Wuhan.

The truth is, we know a lot less about the origin of this virus than you think we do.


Something odd like the “Lesser intermediate fox bat” or some such schit.

I’ve been VERY skeptical of this "wet market, virus jumps from dead bat in a market to human" take since day one.

Their chem and bio weapons labs are right there in Wuhan. I’m guessing this thing walked out of the lab on some lab technicians coat or shoes or whatever.

I believe of the original X number of people diagnosed with this over there, well more than half had NO contact with this open-air cesspool market.

It didn’t, and doesn't matter to them, the commies don’t care.
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RE: Coronovirus and Cable TV News
(04-03-2020 10:02 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 01:27 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Pew Research Study


Nothing too surprising...
79% of Fox viewers believe the media overhyped the Coronavirus
39% of Fox viewers believe the virus was produced in a lab and not naturally
29% of Fox viewers believe a vaccine is either already available or will be available within a “few” months.


MSNBC’s audience is right on more topics
66% believe virus is naturally occurring
78% believe vaccine is over 1 year away
35% believe media overhyped the Coronavirus

CNN’s audience is somewhat in the middle of these two in their opinions of the coverage.


Survey conducted March 10-16 prior to Fox shifting the tone of its coverage...



Interesting you think this is "right". It actually depends on how this question was asked. The "right" answer is we have no idea where it came from. It may have occurred naturally in wet market...or it may have occurred naturally in a Wuhan lab where the animals were kept. I believe there is a paper recently released by a Chinese University that indicates that the type of bat it came from was not available in the wet market---but that type of bat WAS being used by the 2 labs in Wuhan.

The truth is, we know a lot less about the origin of this virus than you think we do.


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance...9/fulltext
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(04-03-2020 09:25 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 06:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 01:27 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Pew Research Study


Nothing too surprising...
79% of Fox viewers believe the media overhyped the Coronavirus
39% of Fox viewers believe the virus was produced in a lab and not naturally
29% of Fox viewers believe a vaccine is either already available or will be available within a “few” months.


MSNBC’s audience is right on more topics
66% believe virus is naturally occurring
78% believe vaccine is over 1 year away
35% believe media overhyped the Coronavirus

CNN’s audience is somewhat in the middle of these two in their opinions of the coverage.


Survey conducted March 10-16 prior to Fox shifting the tone of its coverage...



Wait a second, let's measure each percentage from the same end, and see how that looks.

MSNBC, 66% believe the virus is naturally occurring.
Fox, 61% believe the same.

MSNBC, 78% believe the vaccine is over a year away.
Fox, 71% believe the same.

Only the i view of the media is significantly different. Duh...

In other words, the difference is probably within the margin of error.

And that would be wrong...
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(04-03-2020 08:06 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 08:05 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 07:56 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 01:27 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Pew Research Study


Nothing too surprising...
79% of Fox viewers believe the media overhyped the Coronavirus
39% of Fox viewers believe the virus was produced in a lab and not naturally
29% of Fox viewers believe a vaccine is either already available or will be available within a “few” months.


MSNBC’s audience is right on more topics
66% believe virus is naturally occurring
78% believe vaccine is over 1 year away
35% believe media overhyped the Coronavirus

CNN’s audience is somewhat in the middle of these two in their opinions of the coverage.

Best bet is to not watch any of them.

On the topic of Coronavirus, it appears the people who watched MSNBC were significantly better informed than Fox News viewers and moderately more informed than CNN’s viewers.

You do realize lots of people watch various news sources and possibly watch all three mentioned above. Not sure how that blend plays into the numbers with regard to opinions formed. Anyway, if I watch any of them I'll glance at a couple and then figure the actual truth is somewhere in the middle.

Fox viewers believe CNN and MSNBC are fake news...
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(04-03-2020 12:02 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 10:02 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 01:27 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Pew Research Study


Nothing too surprising...
79% of Fox viewers believe the media overhyped the Coronavirus
39% of Fox viewers believe the virus was produced in a lab and not naturally
29% of Fox viewers believe a vaccine is either already available or will be available within a “few” months.


MSNBC’s audience is right on more topics
66% believe virus is naturally occurring
78% believe vaccine is over 1 year away
35% believe media overhyped the Coronavirus

CNN’s audience is somewhat in the middle of these two in their opinions of the coverage.


Survey conducted March 10-16 prior to Fox shifting the tone of its coverage...



Interesting you think this is "right". It actually depends on how this question was asked. The "right" answer is we have no idea where it came from. It may have occurred naturally in wet market...or it may have occurred naturally in a Wuhan lab where the animals were kept. I believe there is a paper recently released by a Chinese University that indicates that the type of bat it came from was not available in the wet market---but that type of bat WAS being used by the 2 labs in Wuhan.

The truth is, we know a lot less about the origin of this virus than you think we do.


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance...9/fulltext

And this is exactly the kind of misinterpetation of data that Im talking about. The concept that it is a naturally occurring virus mutation is not mutually exclusive that the mutation occurred in animals within a lab rather than a wet market. We have zero idea where the virus originated because the lab and the wet market are in close proximity. In fact, people who work at the lab, very likely frequent that nearby wet market. The assumption that the wet market is the source is a "guess" and is in no way "proven fact". As I indicated before, there is reason to believe that the type of bat indicated by the virus structure was not available in the market according to shoppers, but was used by the lab. In short---we dont really know. When you consider both the source of the raw data we receive--and the deaths of doctors/scientists who say anything that doesnt fall within the proper Communist Party narrative---any result based upon the raw investigative data supplied by the Chinese becomes further suspect.
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RE: Coronovirus and Cable TV News
(04-03-2020 10:02 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 01:27 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Pew Research Study


Nothing too surprising...
79% of Fox viewers believe the media overhyped the Coronavirus
39% of Fox viewers believe the virus was produced in a lab and not naturally
29% of Fox viewers believe a vaccine is either already available or will be available within a “few” months.


MSNBC’s audience is right on more topics
66% believe virus is naturally occurring
78% believe vaccine is over 1 year away
35% believe media overhyped the Coronavirus

CNN’s audience is somewhat in the middle of these two in their opinions of the coverage.


Survey conducted March 10-16 prior to Fox shifting the tone of its coverage...



Interesting you think this is "right". It actually depends on how this question was asked. The "right" answer is we have no idea where it came from. It may have occurred naturally in wet market...or it may have occurred naturally in a Wuhan lab where the animals were kept. I believe there is a paper recently released by a Chinese University that indicates that the type of bat it came from was not available in the wet market---but that type of bat WAS being used by the 2 labs in Wuhan.

The truth is, we know a lot less about the origin of this virus than you think we do.

And now we have the story out that it is very possible the virus escaped from a Wuhan lab. Which makes the silly opinion poll about this silly to start with.

An opinion poll of people with no firsthand knowledge, and no expertise in the field.

So, maybe the "better informed" people that Mensa was touting who watch MSNBC are actually the most ignorant. 03-lmfao
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Yup. Like I said--we dont know for sure---and when you consider the sketchy pre-screened highly controlled raw data coming from China--we may never know. The idea that any viable origination source in Wuhan could be completely eliminated is absolutely silly at this point in time....and thats not FOX saying that---its the Washington Post.


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Opinion | How did covid-19 begin? Its initial origin story is shaky.
The U.S. and China need to find the answer together.
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RE: Coronovirus and Cable TV News
(04-03-2020 12:09 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 08:06 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 08:05 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 07:56 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 01:27 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Pew Research Study


Nothing too surprising...
79% of Fox viewers believe the media overhyped the Coronavirus
39% of Fox viewers believe the virus was produced in a lab and not naturally
29% of Fox viewers believe a vaccine is either already available or will be available within a “few” months.


MSNBC’s audience is right on more topics
66% believe virus is naturally occurring
78% believe vaccine is over 1 year away
35% believe media overhyped the Coronavirus

CNN’s audience is somewhat in the middle of these two in their opinions of the coverage.

Best bet is to not watch any of them.

On the topic of Coronavirus, it appears the people who watched MSNBC were significantly better informed than Fox News viewers and moderately more informed than CNN’s viewers.

You do realize lots of people watch various news sources and possibly watch all three mentioned above. Not sure how that blend plays into the numbers with regard to opinions formed. Anyway, if I watch any of them I'll glance at a couple and then figure the actual truth is somewhere in the middle.

Fox viewers believe CNN and MSNBC are fake news...

Believe me, it's not only FOX viewers.
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