The same guy that slapped a tax on medical devices sold in the U.S.? No wonder there is a shortage of ventilators in the U.S.

(04-02-2020 10:14 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 06:29 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 06:25 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I honestly think most reasonable people would’ve done a better job than Donald Trump in this situation, including his followers. Simply being able to get in front of a mic and say something that doesn’t have to be corrected when the CDC guy comes to speak or statements that have to be walked back the next day or week.

Tell me this honestly, if Obama was running the show and performed the exact same way regarding this, what grade would you give him? That has to be the same grade you give Trump.

Mic skills, Obama would be better. But I don’t think 44 would have issued the travel ban until the end of February. It depends on what you think is more important.

Uh...sure.

Filler words in official conversation are par for the course at this point. Trump's affirmations of 'huge, wonderful and great' could be argued to be the same thing. My military training has left me using long pauses. My gist was that Obama's answer would seem more polished and less off the cuff than Trump. Many people find comfort in a POTUS that appears presidential and Barack did that very well IMO.

I worked shipping vaccine out in 2009 during the H1N1 pandemic. I can tell you there was ZERO support from the Obama White House. In August and September of 2009, in Atlanta we would see CDC officials at our facility. In Cincinnati there was ZERO governmental presence.

Ms. Jarrett can try to rewrite history but those involved know better. I believe most Americans are smarter than Jarrett thinks they are. No Valerie Obama wouldn’t have handled this situation better. He had his shot and failed.

As a side note, Ms. Jarrett’s comment is nonsensical. The question is not if Obama would handle a pandemic better than our President. (We know the answer because he didn’t.) The real question is would Hillary have handled this situation better than our President. Considering her inability to answer the bell with the Benghazi tragedy, I’m certain she would have failed terribly handling COVID-19. Her excuse “What difference does it make?”

(04-02-2020 10:25 PM)BlazinBham Wrote:  The same guy that slapped a tax on medical devices sold in the U.S.? No wonder there is a shortage of ventilators in the U.S.

If the media wasn't a bunch of left wing hacks, they'd have asked her about that

(04-03-2020 07:16 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 10:25 PM)BlazinBham Wrote:  The same guy that slapped a tax on medical devices sold in the U.S.? No wonder there is a shortage of ventilators in the U.S.

If the media wasn't a bunch of left wing hacks, they'd have asked her about that

but they are....therefore, they all suck on the same #frumundaCheeseBoogers

(04-03-2020 02:34 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 10:14 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 06:29 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 06:25 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I honestly think most reasonable people would’ve done a better job than Donald Trump in this situation, including his followers. Simply being able to get in front of a mic and say something that doesn’t have to be corrected when the CDC guy comes to speak or statements that have to be walked back the next day or week.

Tell me this honestly, if Obama was running the show and performed the exact same way regarding this, what grade would you give him? That has to be the same grade you give Trump.

Mic skills, Obama would be better. But I don’t think 44 would have issued the travel ban until the end of February. It depends on what you think is more important.

Uh...sure.

Filler words in official conversation are par for the course at this point. Trump's affirmations of 'huge, wonderful and great' could be argued to be the same thing. My military training has left me using long pauses. My gist was that Obama's answer would seem more polished and less off the cuff than Trump. Many people find comfort in a POTUS that appears presidential and Barack did that very well IMO.

Exactly. He APPEARED to be presidential. His perfectly creased suit pants were enough for some.

(04-02-2020 06:25 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Tell me this honestly, if Obama was running the show and performed the exact same way regarding this, what grade would you give him? That has to be the same grade you give Trump.

JFC..... you should just go hang out in the alternative Conference thread for college football...

You can go beat off over what if fantasy scenarios THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.


FACT: Obama is not president now
FACT: Trump is
FACT: There is a pandemic going on right now and Trump is the one trying to deal with it

OPINION: GET OVER IT

(04-02-2020 05:58 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

The butthurt is strong in this thread too. Must be the republicans time of the month.

Yeah, like he "handled" H1N1. Lmao. Give me a F'ing break.

(04-03-2020 08:28 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Yeah, like he "handled" H1N1. Lmao. Give me a F'ing break.

Don't confuse the lefties here with facts.

obama was the most incompetent and the worst President of the last 60 years, minimum.

(04-03-2020 02:27 PM)450bench Wrote:  obama was the most incompetent and the worst President of the last 60 years, minimum.

Jimmy Carter thanks God for Obama every night in his prayers...

(04-02-2020 06:25 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I honestly think most reasonable people would’ve done a better job than Donald Trump in this situation, including his followers. Simply being able to get in front of a mic and say something that doesn’t have to be corrected when the CDC guy comes to speak or statements that have to be walked back the next day or week.

Tell me this honestly, if Obama was running the show and performed the exact same way regarding this, what grade would you give him? That has to be the same grade you give Trump.

The problem with your hypothetical is we have actual case data to see how he reacted in a similar situation. Quite to the contrary of Obama's Iranian handler, he performed "much worse".

No sticking to your hypothetical of course Obama would have been much better at the podium provided the teleprompters were working. If he were president now and taken the exact same actions as Trump, we would largely be exactly where we are now. I'd give him a B-, just as I'd give Trump. The biggest difference is that the MSM would be his biggest cheerleader instead of his biggest critic. CNN and MSNBC would be airing every daily briefing. There would be stories about how cutting off travel to and from china was brilliant. The media would be all over china for not letting "obama's cdc" in and allowing the US to assist instead of ignoring that fact. There would be claims that "no way could Obama have known we wouldn't be back up and running by Easter". There would not have been a run on toilet paper and such, the financial package would have been 12 trillion, and jim acosta would be wiping his chin after every briefing.

(04-02-2020 05:58 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  They wouldn’t have cut travel because racist and we’d have millions dead.

Quote:On Wednesday afternoon, Valerie Jarrett, the senior advisor to former President Barack Obama who was credited with wielding enormous power behind the scenes, took a shot at President Trump over his handling of the coronavirus crisis while offering her own hagiographic portrayal of Obama, tweeting, “Someone asked me today how would @Barack Obama have handled this crisis? Answer in one word – better. Ok, two words. Much better.”

Representative Dan Crenshaw, a U.S. veteran and Navy Seal for 10 years who lost his right eye and required surgery to save the vision in his left eye after an explosive device hit him in Afghanistan in 2012, and earned two Bronze stars, the Purple Heart, and the Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal with valor, was clearly disturbed that in the present moment, Democrats have seized the opportunity while people are dying in droves to put partisan politics above coming together as Americans.

Crenshaw tweeted, “Why do so many Obama administration staffers constantly try to make Americans feel awful? Highlighting policy differences is expected — but this level of vitriol? During this pandemic? Why?”

After the swine flu epidemic of 2009, medical masks were depleted, and the Obama administration did not act to replenish supply. The Los Angeles Times reported:

After the swine flu epidemic in 2009, a safety-equipment industry association and a federally sponsored task force both recommended that depleted supplies of N95 respirator masks, which filter out airborne particles, be replenished by the stockpile, which is maintained by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. That didn’t happen, according to Charles Johnson, president of the International Safety Equipment Assn.

Additionally, the first U.S. case of swine flu, which occurred in California, was identified on April 15, 2009. On April 25, the World Health Organization declared H1N1 a public health emergency, echoed by Obama one day later.

The World Health Organization declared H1N1 a pandemic on June 11 but it took Obama until October to declare a national emergency; Trump declared the coronavirus a national emergency two days after WHO declared the coronavirus to be a pandemic.

Last Saturday, after the New York Times published an article titled “The U.S. Now Leads The World In Confirmed Coronavirus Cases” and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton mocked President Trump by tweeting, “He did promise ‘America First,’” Crenshaw told Fox News:

Somebody like Hillary Clinton is so used to taking political jabs at the president or her political opponents anytime there is an outcome that is unfortunate, but this isn’t the time. This is a tragedy for all Americans, for the entire world. This newfound issue where we find the worst in each other, and we question each other’s intentions, and that happens all the time in politics, but now is not the time to do that. There is a pandemic going on.

Crenshaw continued, “This is what worries me about the future. We have difficult conversations about how to move to risk containment, to risk mitigation, to risk management, opening up society along with the threat of the pandemic. It’s going to be easy to have very disingenuous criticisms of each other and moralize against each other, but we can’t do that; we have to do this together.”

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Notice how they never say what they would do differently? They just say that they would do it better and Trump isn't doing enough.

We already know he wouldnt have handled it better because we already know he would have never issued a Chinese travel ban. End of the discussion.

(04-02-2020 08:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 06:25 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I honestly think most reasonable people would’ve done a better job than Donald Trump in this situation, including his followers. Simply being able to get in front of a mic and say something that doesn’t have to be corrected when the CDC guy comes to speak or statements that have to be walked back the next day or week.
Tell me this honestly, if Obama was running the show and performed the exact same way regarding this, what grade would you give him? That has to be the same grade you give Trump.

B+, same as I give Trump. But I don't believe Obama would have done the same things that earned Trump a B+. I don't think Obama would have shut off travel from China. I don't think Obama would have gotten the state, local, and private sector players involved to the extent that Trump has. And the press would be full of fawning, slobbering stories about how hard the challenge was and how wonderful a job Obama was doing.

Thanks for being the only one to answer the question.

(04-03-2020 03:59 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-03-2020 02:27 PM)450bench Wrote:  obama was the most incompetent and the worst President of the last 60 years, minimum.

Jimmy Carter thanks God for Obama every night in his prayers...

No doubt about it.

(04-03-2020 03:59 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-03-2020 02:27 PM)450bench Wrote:  obama was the most incompetent and the worst President of the last 60 years, minimum.

Jimmy Carter thanks God for Obama every night in his prayers...

(04-03-2020 06:14 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 08:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 06:25 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I honestly think most reasonable people would’ve done a better job than Donald Trump in this situation, including his followers. Simply being able to get in front of a mic and say something that doesn’t have to be corrected when the CDC guy comes to speak or statements that have to be walked back the next day or week.
Tell me this honestly, if Obama was running the show and performed the exact same way regarding this, what grade would you give him? That has to be the same grade you give Trump.

B+, same as I give Trump. But I don't believe Obama would have done the same things that earned Trump a B+. I don't think Obama would have shut off travel from China. I don't think Obama would have gotten the state, local, and private sector players involved to the extent that Trump has. And the press would be full of fawning, slobbering stories about how hard the challenge was and how wonderful a job Obama was doing.

Thanks for being the only one to answer the question.

I'll argue the same as I've stated too many times beforehand....

DJT didn't have a choice due to the harassment from the left and msm IN A FK'N ELECTION YEAR WHEN THE OPPOSITION HAS NOTHING IN RETURN....

he's biting his tongue right now and left it to the states to choke on procedure....

how's all that bs working out in the urban centers....

now it's trickled to the rural states......

ENJOY YOUR BS *******

in a few weeks, you better be an above avg. marksman in certain regions if this continues....more than many will choose a self-induced head shot....

how's that for a fk'n response....