(03-29-2020 12:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  What you are suggesting is allowing presidents for life. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Americans quickly embraced the two terms even after FDR lead the nation through WWII. Removing term limits is wrong and it is dangerous.

Agreed.

Basically all of the polling data we have from the 1940 and 1944 elections — which, to be sure, is much less (and less reliable) than the data we have for more recent elections — points to the conclusion that FDR would’ve lost either of them, if not for the on-going war in Europe. But of course, the war was a fact of life and FDR won those 2 elections.

(03-29-2020 12:19 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Everybody should have one term limits, so they don't spend so much of their time and effort trying to get reelected.

Hmm I like this idea a lot. I think 1 term 5,6 years would be big improvement, but just my opinion with little research as to why 4 years is the special number. If everyone besides U.S. Supreme Court had 1 term limits, I think the partisan BS wouldn’t be what it is.

@Bullet no where have I or anyone suggested presidents for life. That would be hell.

(03-29-2020 08:38 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(03-29-2020 12:19 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Everybody should have one term limits, so they don't spend so much of their time and effort trying to get reelected.

Hmm I like this idea a lot. I think 1 term 5,6 years would be big improvement, but just my opinion with little research as to why 4 years is the special number. If everyone besides U.S. Supreme Court had 1 term limits, I think the partisan BS wouldn’t be what it is.

@Bullet no where have I or anyone suggested presidents for life. That would be hell.

You suggested an elimination of term limits. Around the globe, that generally means president for life who becomes more and more of a dictator.

(03-29-2020 08:51 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-28-2020 09:13 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I'd actually be OK with 5 year terms - have the President and entire Senate come up in the years ending in "2" and "7", but the President only gets one term. Senators would be limited to two terms.

I think the House could stay with 2 year terms, but limit them to 10 years.

I’d limit the terms of Congress thus:

Senate - 3 six year terms and keep them staggered as they are so that there is always 2/3 of the Senators in office with some level of experience.

House - 5 three year terms and also make them staggered (again - keep some experience). IMO, the 2 year terms are so short that a lot of Congressmen virtually spend almost all their time in office running for the next term.

The above would assure some level of experience, but remove the entrenchment there currently.

Judges - mandatory retirement at around 75........

President - keep the current 2 four year terms.

I think the 2 year House keeps them more tuned to the people even though the negative is that they are always running for office.

I'd keep House and Senate same length of time-2 6 year terms for Senate and 6 2 year terms for House. I'd grandfather the existing members so they would vote for it. And keep president the way it is.

Federal judges except Supreme Court, I would have do a single 15 year term. Kind of mixed on Supreme Court, whether 15 years or life would be better. When they are appointed for life and are there for an extended time, they lose touch with real life, develop a sense of entitlement and often get a Napoleon complex.

(03-29-2020 08:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-29-2020 08:51 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-28-2020 09:13 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I'd actually be OK with 5 year terms - have the President and entire Senate come up in the years ending in "2" and "7", but the President only gets one term. Senators would be limited to two terms.

I think the House could stay with 2 year terms, but limit them to 10 years.

I’d limit the terms of Congress thus:

Senate - 3 six year terms and keep them staggered as they are so that there is always 2/3 of the Senators in office with some level of experience.

House - 5 three year terms and also make them staggered (again - keep some experience). IMO, the 2 year terms are so short that a lot of Congressmen virtually spend almost all their time in office running for the next term.

The above would assure some level of experience, but remove the entrenchment there currently.

Judges - mandatory retirement at around 75........

President - keep the current 2 four year terms.

I think the 2 year House keeps them more tuned to the people even though the negative is that they are always running for office.

I'd keep House and Senate same length of time-2 6 year terms for Senate and 6 2 year terms for House. I'd grandfather the existing members so they would vote for it. And keep president the way it is.

Federal judges except Supreme Court, I would have do a single 15 year term. Kind of mixed on Supreme Court, whether 15 years or life would be better. When they are appointed for life and are there for an extended time, they lose touch with real life, develop a sense of entitlement and often get a Napoleon complex.

15/16 years for any judicial appointee would be my target number....

as rapidly as times/laws change, that's an acceptable limit relative to efficacy.....

I'd personally like to see the house limited to 4-4 yr. and the senate at 3-6 yr. terms....in today's version, 2 yrs. isn't long enough to make a dent if one has savvy....the frosh are basically 'tits upon crossing the threshold' having to learn the system and reelection....

(03-29-2020 08:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-29-2020 08:38 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(03-29-2020 12:19 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Everybody should have one term limits, so they don't spend so much of their time and effort trying to get reelected.

Hmm I like this idea a lot. I think 1 term 5,6 years would be big improvement, but just my opinion with little research as to why 4 years is the special number. If everyone besides U.S. Supreme Court had 1 term limits, I think the partisan BS wouldn’t be what it is.

@Bullet no where have I or anyone suggested presidents for life. That would be hell.

You suggested an elimination of term limits. Around the globe, that generally means president for life who becomes more and more of a dictator.

Unless I’m blind I suggested extending either presidential terms (2) to 3 which i think is a bad idea which I noted in OP or length of term (4) which in OP I said 2 terms and 6 years for each term as the limit. Just looking to see the general thoughts from others and love the suggestion of 1 term presidential limits. I personally would like if 1 term was the limit, then extending the length of the term to 6 years, but haven’t really done any research.

Anyways, I think all would agree if we had a president for life, we might as well not even call us the United States of America any longer.

One 6 year term for President.
One 8 year term for Senator with 1/4 elected every 2 years.
One 4 year term for the House with 1/2 elected every 2 years.
No reelection for anyone at any level!!

I think the best answer would be two non consecutive six year terms.

The problem now is they campaign a lot of their first term. Trump took that to a new level but they all do it. Unpopular decisions for the greater good get you beat at election time. If a president does a good job . That same person can come back better a second time after learning and having time to reflect.

Senators and congressman could be limited to a couple terms with the option to switch houses by election of course.

(03-29-2020 09:16 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(03-29-2020 08:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-29-2020 08:38 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(03-29-2020 12:19 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Everybody should have one term limits, so they don't spend so much of their time and effort trying to get reelected.

Hmm I like this idea a lot. I think 1 term 5,6 years would be big improvement, but just my opinion with little research as to why 4 years is the special number. If everyone besides U.S. Supreme Court had 1 term limits, I think the partisan BS wouldn’t be what it is.

@Bullet no where have I or anyone suggested presidents for life. That would be hell.

You suggested an elimination of term limits. Around the globe, that generally means president for life who becomes more and more of a dictator.

Unless I’m blind I suggested extending either presidential terms (2) to 3 which i think is a bad idea which I noted in OP or length of term (4) which in OP I said 2 terms and 6 years for each term as the limit. Just looking to see the general thoughts from others and love the suggestion of 1 term presidential limits. I personally would like if 1 term was the limit, then extending the length of the term to 6 years, but haven’t really done any research.

Anyways, I think all would agree if we had a president for life, we might as well not even call us the United States of America any longer.

IMO, the conundrum of lengthening the span for 1 term in the executive increases further promoting totalitarianism if either party were to gain superior traction ....in good faith and conscience, I would be unwilling to promote such on that alone...

JMTC