(07-17-2020 10:31 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Why is it Trump's fault for the (reported) death count?

Well, lets see.....

Russian collusion was a hoax - check
Economy on fire thanks to Trump policies and deregulation - check
Jobs coming back from overseas even though a jug eared Kenyan goof said they wouldn't - check
Dems running out of bullets in an election year - check

Its their last desperate hail mary pass.

(07-17-2020 10:35 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 10:31 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Why is it Trump's fault for the (reported) death count?

Well, lets see.....

Russian collusion was a hoax - check
Economy on fire thanks to Trump policies and deregulation - check
Jobs coming back from overseas even though a jug eared Kenyan goof said they wouldn't - check
Dems running out of bullets in an election year - check

Its their last desperate hail mary pass.

You forgot....

Hiring a crooked cop to kill a black man to create mass civil unrest - check

(07-17-2020 10:10 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Well... looks like I was wrong.

Same. I said 40-80k.

DJT's failed leadership in handling this probably contributed to that toll somewhat but I think the lacking pandemic-addressing infrastructure and a lack of public health education in the general populace probably contributed more.

Wonder how many of the deaths were actually because of COVID.

(07-17-2020 10:46 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 10:10 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Well... looks like I was wrong.

Same. I said 40-80k.

DJT's failed leadership in handling this probably contributed to that toll somewhat but I think the lacking pandemic-addressing infrastructure and a lack of public health education in the general populace probably contributed more.

Certain states didnt fail. If we had governor leadership in NY, NJ, MI, etc like we saw in FL and TX, total deaths would have been a tiny fraction of what they were. Maybe if Cuomo was more concerned about disinfecting subways instead of being blown daily by his brother on tv, it would have cut way down on the NY travesty.

The moment we discovered that China kept a lid on covid-19 and allowed it to spread to the world - INTENTIONALLY - there was nothing we were ever going to be able to do to mitigate UNTIL HERD IMMUNITY IS ESTABLISHED. JFC are the majority of people in America stupid if they think quarantines and rolling back the reopenings was going to reduce infections, hospitalizations and deaths. The virus will run its course, and if it has to wait it will wait.

From all levels of government, they are not giving us the whole truth. All we are doing is trying to manage the utilization rates of the hospitals. The goal is - and always has been - to not overrun the healthcare system. This has nothing to do with reducing infections and deaths. That's done, and it's no different than the annual flu virus that we live with today.

There is no critical thinking, no natural distrust of the gov't, no desire to maintain liberties and no desire to maintain top status as the preeminent world super power. Stupidity abounds all around us. Fvcking morons you whole lot are, and you know who I'm referring to...

(07-17-2020 12:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 10:46 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 10:10 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Well... looks like I was wrong.

Same. I said 40-80k.

DJT's failed leadership in handling this probably contributed to that toll somewhat but I think the lacking pandemic-addressing infrastructure and a lack of public health education in the general populace probably contributed more.

Certain states didnt fail. If we had governor leadership in NY, NJ, MI, etc like we saw in FL and TX, total deaths would have been a tiny fraction of what they were. Maybe if Cuomo was more concerned about disinfecting subways instead of being blown daily by his brother on tv, it would have cut way down on the NY travesty.

Uhhhh Texas is a ******* mess. Can confirm, live in Texas. The state is a mess right now with Covid. Opening closing opening closing, thousands of deaths, hundreds of thousands infected. Mask no mask mask no mask. Total failure from both democrat and republican leadership. And Florida? The 2 states are seeing record breaking numbers TODAY. Leadership nationwide failed us.

GTFOOH with that.

(07-17-2020 12:21 PM)miko33 Wrote:  The moment we discovered that China kept a lid on covid-19 and allowed it to spread to the world - INTENTIONALLY - there was nothing we were ever going to be able to do to mitigate UNTIL HERD IMMUNITY IS ESTABLISHED. JFC are the majority of people in America stupid if they think quarantines and rolling back the reopenings was going to reduce infections, hospitalizations and deaths. The virus will run its course, and if it has to wait it will wait.

From all levels of government, they are not giving us the whole truth. All we are doing is trying to manage the utilization rates of the hospitals. The goal is - and always has been - to not overrun the healthcare system. This has nothing to do with reducing infections and deaths. That's done, and it's no different than the annual flu virus that we live with today.

There is no critical thinking, no natural distrust of the gov't, no desire to maintain liberties and no desire to maintain top status as the preeminent world super power. Stupidity abounds all around us. Fvcking morons you whole lot are, and you know who I'm referring to...

Even if this were the proper course of action, our dear leader didn't pursue it.

(07-17-2020 12:24 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 12:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 10:46 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 10:10 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Well... looks like I was wrong.

Same. I said 40-80k.

DJT's failed leadership in handling this probably contributed to that toll somewhat but I think the lacking pandemic-addressing infrastructure and a lack of public health education in the general populace probably contributed more.

Certain states didnt fail. If we had governor leadership in NY, NJ, MI, etc like we saw in FL and TX, total deaths would have been a tiny fraction of what they were. Maybe if Cuomo was more concerned about disinfecting subways instead of being blown daily by his brother on tv, it would have cut way down on the NY travesty.

Uhhhh Texas is a ******* mess. Can confirm, live in Texas. The state is a mess right now with Covid. Opening closing opening closing, thousands of deaths, hundreds of thousands infected. Mask no mask mask no mask. Total failure from both democrat and republican leadership. And Florida? The 2 states are seeing record breaking numbers TODAY. Leadership nationwide failed us.

GTFOOH with that.

Which is worse? cases or deaths?

Those states have 10% of New York deaths. Why isn't anyone in media pressing Cuomo?

(07-17-2020 12:25 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 12:21 PM)miko33 Wrote:  The moment we discovered that China kept a lid on covid-19 and allowed it to spread to the world - INTENTIONALLY - there was nothing we were ever going to be able to do to mitigate UNTIL HERD IMMUNITY IS ESTABLISHED. JFC are the majority of people in America stupid if they think quarantines and rolling back the reopenings was going to reduce infections, hospitalizations and deaths. The virus will run its course, and if it has to wait it will wait.

From all levels of government, they are not giving us the whole truth. All we are doing is trying to manage the utilization rates of the hospitals. The goal is - and always has been - to not overrun the healthcare system. This has nothing to do with reducing infections and deaths. That's done, and it's no different than the annual flu virus that we live with today.

There is no critical thinking, no natural distrust of the gov't, no desire to maintain liberties and no desire to maintain top status as the preeminent world super power. Stupidity abounds all around us. Fvcking morons you whole lot are, and you know who I'm referring to...

Even if this were the proper course of action, our dear leader didn't pursue it.

No matter what Trump would have pursued, he was going to be painted as wrong. This was no win from day one. Pathetic, but it's the truth.

I was watching CBS this morning and they had the Atlanta mayor on for an interview and they allowed her to blast the GOP governor of GA. No problem if it's on a political pundit show on cable news - NOT OK for the weekday morning news. That's the blatant bias in the MSM. Seriously, on the weekday morning news...Why is that allowed to happen??? Care to comment JD?

(07-17-2020 12:33 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 12:24 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 12:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 10:46 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 10:10 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Well... looks like I was wrong.

Same. I said 40-80k.

DJT's failed leadership in handling this probably contributed to that toll somewhat but I think the lacking pandemic-addressing infrastructure and a lack of public health education in the general populace probably contributed more.

Certain states didnt fail. If we had governor leadership in NY, NJ, MI, etc like we saw in FL and TX, total deaths would have been a tiny fraction of what they were. Maybe if Cuomo was more concerned about disinfecting subways instead of being blown daily by his brother on tv, it would have cut way down on the NY travesty.

Uhhhh Texas is a ******* mess. Can confirm, live in Texas. The state is a mess right now with Covid. Opening closing opening closing, thousands of deaths, hundreds of thousands infected. Mask no mask mask no mask. Total failure from both democrat and republican leadership. And Florida? The 2 states are seeing record breaking numbers TODAY. Leadership nationwide failed us.

GTFOOH with that.

Which is worse? cases or deaths?

Those states have 10% of New York deaths. Why isn't anyone in media pressing Cuomo?

Jake Tapper blasted him on CNN. NY is a hot mess too.

(07-17-2020 12:24 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 12:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 10:46 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 10:10 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Well... looks like I was wrong.

Same. I said 40-80k.

DJT's failed leadership in handling this probably contributed to that toll somewhat but I think the lacking pandemic-addressing infrastructure and a lack of public health education in the general populace probably contributed more.

Certain states didnt fail. If we had governor leadership in NY, NJ, MI, etc like we saw in FL and TX, total deaths would have been a tiny fraction of what they were. Maybe if Cuomo was more concerned about disinfecting subways instead of being blown daily by his brother on tv, it would have cut way down on the NY travesty.

Uhhhh Texas is a ******* mess. Can confirm, live in Texas. The state is a mess right now with Covid. Opening closing opening closing, thousands of deaths, hundreds of thousands infected. Mask no mask mask no mask. Total failure from both democrat and republican leadership. And Florida? The 2 states are seeing record breaking numbers TODAY. Leadership nationwide failed us.

GTFOOH with that.

You cant confirm sh*t.


Texas COvid Deaths: 3,278
NY Covid Deaths: 32,133

You see the difference there, bet welcher?

but muh hot mess......

When the Feds set aside $200 Billion to treat the virus all bets were off. There was nothing anyone could do. People don't get rid of viruses.