(01-01-2020 03:12 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  VCU fits the profile of the AAC (Large Urban University), the reason to add them when it comes to value, it is NCAA Credits ($$$), under the AAC banner they will provide that value and will also fill their seats.

St. Louis and Dayton are fine institutions but they just don't fit the profile of the AAC.

... and can people please stop with UAB and CSU with their new facilities, if they can't win and sell out those facilities, what is the use of having them?

I've heard a lot of arguments against Liberty on this board, although I don't have an opinion either way, but hs anyone bothered to look at what they are doing in the top 2 revenue sports?
Football: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Liber...m#Schedule
Men's Basketball: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80...nd_results

Sports Facilities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Fl...Facilities

They have the money to commit to whatever sports they want to compete in and they are willing to invest whatever it takes as far as facilities are concerned.

Liberty is burning cash but can't get an invite to any FBS conference...hmmm

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(01-01-2020 03:40 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

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(01-01-2020 12:26 PM)Rob3338 Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 12:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Air Force football only and St Louis olympic sports would be fantastic IMHO.

AFA and St. Louis would be acceptable but Dayton for basketball would be much better. They average about 13,000 per home game and have good teams often. Cincy might not like it however.

Many on this board evaluate member targets based on personal history or recent wins-losses. But any new member(s) should be determined based on the macro benchmarks below. Anything else is just a personal love fest.

1) Does school fill in open spaces inside our conference footprint? Eg, the space between Cincy and Memphis/Texas or Cincy and Temple, the space between ECU and Florida and Louisiana/Texas.
2) Is school within driving distance from nearest current member school?
3) Can school become a rival to nearby current member school?
4) Is school a large state research university (Carnegie 1 or 2) with more than 20k students?
5) Do they play FBS football and good basketball (numerous NCAA appearances)
6) Will they commit resources for highest level of play?
7) Do they have growth potential with AAC membership?
8) Does ESPN like them? Or will they at least give them a chance?

There are several universities that check off the list.

Please list the several that check off the list

Fan of school not on the forthcoming list triggered in 3...2...1...

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(01-01-2020 03:12 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  VCU fits the profile of the AAC (Large Urban University), the reason to add them when it comes to value, it is NCAA Credits ($$$), under the AAC banner they will provide that value and will also fill their seats.

St. Louis and Dayton are fine institutions but they just don't fit the profile of the AAC.

... and can people please stop with UAB and CSU with their new facilities, if they can't win and sell out those facilities, what is the use of having them?

I've heard a lot of arguments against Liberty on this board, although I don't have an opinion either way, but hs anyone bothered to look at what they are doing in the top 2 revenue sports?
Football: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Liber...m#Schedule
Men's Basketball: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80...nd_results

Sports Facilities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Fl...Facilities

They have the money to commit to whatever sports they want to compete in and they are willing to invest whatever it takes as far as facilities are concerned.

I actually like VCU as an Olympic Sports addition. I am whole-heartedly against Liberty and it has nothing to do with their religious leanings. They are making buckets of money the same way that got all those for-profit diploma mills shut down. The ITT Tech, Everest, etc model of signing up as many people as possible and walking them through the loans and government grant crap. It's especially predatory when it comes to members of the military and that sweet GI Bill money.

(01-01-2020 03:44 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 03:40 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 01:25 PM)PowderKeg! Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 12:26 PM)Rob3338 Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 12:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Air Force football only and St Louis olympic sports would be fantastic IMHO.

AFA and St. Louis would be acceptable but Dayton for basketball would be much better. They average about 13,000 per home game and have good teams often. Cincy might not like it however.

Many on this board evaluate member targets based on personal history or recent wins-losses. But any new member(s) should be determined based on the macro benchmarks below. Anything else is just a personal love fest.

1) Does school fill in open spaces inside our conference footprint? Eg, the space between Cincy and Memphis/Texas or Cincy and Temple, the space between ECU and Florida and Louisiana/Texas.
2) Is school within driving distance from nearest current member school?
3) Can school become a rival to nearby current member school?
4) Is school a large state research university (Carnegie 1 or 2) with more than 20k students?
5) Do they play FBS football and good basketball (numerous NCAA appearances)
6) Will they commit resources for highest level of play?
7) Do they have growth potential with AAC membership?
8) Does ESPN like them? Or will they at least give them a chance?

There are several universities that check off the list.

Please list the several that check off the list

Fan of school not on the forthcoming list triggered in 3...2...1...

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You are on my list. Reasons:

1. Recruiting state

2. Recruiting state

3. Potential

Why can't UMass just be more competent? It would be a like for like swap and keep the conference balanced.

(01-01-2020 04:50 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Why can't UMass just be more competent? It would be a like for like swap and keep the conference balanced.

They frustrate me. I would like to see them succeed.

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(01-01-2020 03:12 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  VCU fits the profile of the AAC (Large Urban University), the reason to add them when it comes to value, it is NCAA Credits ($$$), under the AAC banner they will provide that value and will also fill their seats.

St. Louis and Dayton are fine institutions but they just don't fit the profile of the AAC.

... and can people please stop with UAB and CSU with their new facilities, if they can't win and sell out those facilities, what is the use of having them?

I've heard a lot of arguments against Liberty on this board, although I don't have an opinion either way, but hs anyone bothered to look at what they are doing in the top 2 revenue sports?
Football: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Liber...m#Schedule
Men's Basketball: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80...nd_results

Sports Facilities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Fl...Facilities

They have the money to commit to whatever sports they want to compete in and they are willing to invest whatever it takes as far as facilities are concerned.

Fans representing Temple should not be making attendance demands of other schools IMHO.

Liberty is a terrible institutional fit IMHO. CSU and UAB are more like our conference brethren IMHO. They both are second rate choices to Army, BYU, AF, and Boise.

I do like the idea of taking Liberty on a year-to-year deal. Something like they pay us a yearly fee of 1.7 million (or 8.5 million every 5 years) to participate in full revenue distribution and our bowls. That way when we (AAC and ESPN) find a member we want to add or say they don't like the fit...either side can just walk away.

that would fix our inventory issue with ESPN and would allow us to just replace Liberty whenever we figure out who we want to add permanently

Nobody until the AAC absolutely has to.

(01-01-2020 07:21 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Nobody until the AAC absolutely has to.

If we can get a good football only addition and an Olympic school, why wait? The east coast football options are just not far enough along.

(01-01-2020 07:29 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 07:21 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Nobody until the AAC absolutely has to.

If we can get a good football only addition and an Olympic school, why wait? The east coast football options are just not far enough along.

I believe we need to fill the football void first. Make BYU and BSU irrelevant for a couple years and see where we stand. Then we can backfill the Olympic sports if need be.

(01-01-2020 12:08 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 12:06 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  I'm sorry...

Did I miss something?

I think he’s talking about posters that want us to add VCU or Dayton.

A couple of polls were done on this topic in Sept/October.

A strong majority of respondents were in favor of replacing UConn in both FB and BB before the two-year waiver period expires.

Most respondents favored replacing UConn with one FB-only, such as AF, and one non-FB school, such as VCU or Dayton.

(01-01-2020 03:12 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  ... and can people please stop with UAB and CSU with their new facilities, if they can't win and sell out those facilities, what is the use of having them?

Only two (2) homes games were sold out the entire season for the entire conference (AAC) this year.

(01-01-2020 06:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I do like the idea of taking Liberty on a year-to-year deal. Something like they pay us a yearly fee of 1.7 million (or 8.5 million every 5 years) to participate in full revenue distribution and our bowls. That way when we (AAC and ESPN) find a member we want to add or say they don't like the fit...either side can just walk away.

that would fix our inventory issue with ESPN and would allow us to just replace Liberty whenever we figure out who we want to add permanently

ESPN seems to like Liberty, they signed an ESPN+ deal with them, Students=100,000+ (total), guess 100,000+ has a way of swaying even politically opinionated ESPiN...

It doesn't have to be Liberty but, if signing a Scheduling Alliance Agreement is a viable option the AAC doesn't have to make a long term investment... A one year renewable agreement would be a great option if both parties can agree to it and ESPN will endorse it.

All the usual suspects can send an application. I personally prefer a top 40-50 media market State Flagship with a large enrollment of 35k+.

Last thing this league needs is another program complaining about travel distance and frankly everyone in the A10 league mirrors uconn's 8itching.

What AAC needs is a hoops program that will man up to AAC standards... So basically STFU and don't be a bottom feeder.

(01-01-2020 03:40 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 01:25 PM)PowderKeg! Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 12:26 PM)Rob3338 Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 12:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Air Force football only and St Louis olympic sports would be fantastic IMHO.

AFA and St. Louis would be acceptable but Dayton for basketball would be much better. They average about 13,000 per home game and have good teams often. Cincy might not like it however.

Many on this board evaluate member targets based on personal history or recent wins-losses. But any new member(s) should be determined based on the macro benchmarks below. Anything else is just a personal love fest.

1) Does school fill in open spaces inside our conference footprint? Eg, the space between Cincy and Memphis/Texas or Cincy and Temple, the space between ECU and Florida and Louisiana/Texas.
2) Is school within driving distance from nearest current member school?
3) Can school become a rival to nearby current member school?
4) Is school a large state research university (Carnegie 1 or 2) with more than 20k students?
5) Do they play FBS football and good basketball (numerous NCAA appearances)
6) Will they commit resources for highest level of play?
7) Do they have growth potential with AAC membership?
8) Does ESPN like them? Or will they at least give them a chance?

There are several universities that check off the list.

Please list the several that check off the list

Several universities check off most or all of the list for FB or BB, but only a couple (e.g., SDSU (#13 BB/ 14-0 (AP); 10 bowls in past 10 yrs); (possibly Utah State (#38 NET BB (11-2)[/u] ; 8 bowls in past 9 yrs.) meet criterion #5, requiring both good FB and BB.

For that reason, it's most likely that the AAC would replace UConn following the precedent set when Navy was invited for FB, and when WSU was invited for BB/olympic.


Football-only:

Air Force, especially given its nationwide viewership

San Diego State would meet the criteria as a potential all-sports member, except that it's not driving distance from any AAC school. Due to its distance, SDSU would probably be a FB-only candidate.

Colorado State

Others: One or two other MWC schools; possibly SUNY Buffalo.

NOTE: BYU, Boise St., and Army appear unlikely to seek membership.


Non-Football:

VCU meets all of the above criteria for BB/olympic sports.

Dayton and St. Louis meet most criteria but are private (non-R1?) universities.

SUNY Buffalo's basketball program meets all of the criteria, other than perhaps ESPN interest, having made 4 trips to the NCAA in the past 5 years.

Northern Iowa and Utah State meet several, if not most of the above criteria.

A number of other schools, including 2 or 3 other A-10 schools, meet several of the criteria.

(01-01-2020 08:54 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 03:12 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  ... and can people please stop with UAB and CSU with their new facilities, if they can't win and sell out those facilities, what is the use of having them?

Only two (2) homes games were sold out the entire season for the entire conference this year.

You are missing the point, a sub 20,000 season average is not a good fit in the AAC, the conference has evolved beyond that.

https://collegefootballnews.com/2018/02/...st-average
53 East Carolina, 60 UCF, 62 Memphis, 65 Navy, 66 Boise State, 69 Army, 70 USF, 71 Cincinnati, 72 Houston, 73 Fresno State, 76 Air Force, 77 Temple, 80 Connecticut, 81 Hawaii...
82 Colorado State, 128 UAB,


29 BYU: https://kslsports.com/424595/byus-2019-h...ix-years/?
"The average attendance for a BYU football game in 2019 was 59,457. The highest per-game attendance since 2013 where BYU saw an average of 61,225, but even more impressive than that is the 2019 home crowds averaged 7,000 more fans than the 2018 homestand."

(01-01-2020 09:09 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 06:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I do like the idea of taking Liberty on a year-to-year deal. Something like they pay us a yearly fee of 1.7 million (or 8.5 million every 5 years) to participate in full revenue distribution and our bowls. That way when we (AAC and ESPN) find a member we want to add or say they don't like the fit...either side can just walk away.

that would fix our inventory issue with ESPN and would allow us to just replace Liberty whenever we figure out who we want to add permanently

ESPN seems to like Liberty, they signed an ESPN+ deal with them, Students=100,000+ (total), guess 100,000+ has a way of swaying even politically opinionated ESPiN...

It doesn't have to be Liberty but, if signing a Scheduling Alliance Agreement is a viable option the AAC doesn't have to make a long term investment... A one year renewable agreement would be a great option if both parties can agree to it and ESPN will endorse it.

All the usual suspects can send an application. I personally prefer a top 40-50 media market State Flagship with a large enrollment of 35k+.

How much cash for that ESPN+ deal?

You basically produce your own broadcasts... I mean it's not like anyone is in a bidding war for them...

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(01-01-2020 09:39 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 09:09 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 06:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I do like the idea of taking Liberty on a year-to-year deal. Something like they pay us a yearly fee of 1.7 million (or 8.5 million every 5 years) to participate in full revenue distribution and our bowls. That way when we (AAC and ESPN) find a member we want to add or say they don't like the fit...either side can just walk away.

that would fix our inventory issue with ESPN and would allow us to just replace Liberty whenever we figure out who we want to add permanently

ESPN seems to like Liberty, they signed an ESPN+ deal with them, Students=100,000+ (total), guess 100,000+ has a way of swaying even politically opinionated ESPiN...

It doesn't have to be Liberty but, if signing a Scheduling Alliance Agreement is a viable option the AAC doesn't have to make a long term investment... A one year renewable agreement would be a great option if both parties can agree to it and ESPN will endorse it.

All the usual suspects can send an application. I personally prefer a top 40-50 media market State Flagship with a large enrollment of 35k+.

How much cash for that ESPN+ deal?

You basically produce your own broadcasts... I mean it's not like anyone is in a bidding war for them...

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My point is that they did a contract with liberty, whom is a faith based university with wiews that oppose every agenda that ESPiN is pushing but yet did not do that with a Liberal New England Flagship that shares a lot of the views ESPN "Peddles".

(01-01-2020 09:37 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 08:54 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(01-01-2020 03:12 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  ... and can people please stop with UAB and CSU with their new facilities, if they can't win and sell out those facilities, what is the use of having them?

Only two (2) homes games were sold out the entire season for the entire conference this year.

You are missing the point, a sub 20,000 season average is not a good fit in the AAC, the conference has evolved beyond that.

https://collegefootballnews.com/2018/02/...st-average
53 East Carolina, 60 UCF, 62 Memphis, 65 Navy, 66 Boise State, 69 Army, 70 USF, 71 Cincinnati, 72 Houston, 73 Fresno State, 76 Air Force, 77 Temple, 80 Connecticut, 81 Hawaii...
82 Colorado State, 128 UAB,


29 BYU: https://kslsports.com/424595/byus-2019-h...ix-years/?
"The average attendance for a BYU football game in 2019 was 59,457. The highest per-game attendance since 2013 where BYU saw an average of 61,225, but even more impressive than that is the 2019 home crowds averaged 7,000 more fans than the 2018 homestand."

Well i can certainly agree with that. But didnt gather that from your original comment.