In the AAC, I figure all the head coaches are safe although:

1) Charlie Strong should be on the firing list. USF should have a better coach next year.

2) UConn’s futility under Randy Edsall has been historic. He needs to be replaced but I am not sure that they could attract a better coach (and staff) with independence looming. No bowl tie ins. Lots of pay games. Tough recruiting reality.

On the P5 front, Tom Herman is probably on the hot seat unless the Horns can come back against Iowa State.

The biggest issue with getting rid of Charlie Strong is we have to pay $5.3 million and then buyout a few staff. Then who do we get? Anyone worth anything will have a buyout also.

Not certain we have $7+ million to change change coaches

(11-17-2019 08:45 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The biggest issue with getting rid of Charlie Strong is we have to pay $5.3 million and then buyout a few staff. Then who do we get? Anyone worth anything will have a buyout also.

Not certain we have $7+ million to change change coaches

This is why retreads are bad at our level. Your last sentence is untrue. The best coaches have not been discovered yet.

(11-17-2019 08:45 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The biggest issue with getting rid of Charlie Strong is we have to pay $5.3 million and then buyout a few staff. Then who do we get? Anyone worth anything will have a buyout also.

Not certain we have $7+ million to change change coaches

Promote from within... Kerwin Bell?

(11-17-2019 09:06 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 08:45 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The biggest issue with getting rid of Charlie Strong is we have to pay $5.3 million and then buyout a few staff. Then who do we get? Anyone worth anything will have a buyout also.

Not certain we have $7+ million to change change coaches

This is why retreads are bad at our level. Your last sentence is untrue. The best coaches have not been discovered yet.

Memphis has had success with Justin Fuente and Mike Norvell going the OC route rather than the HC retread route. Up and comers like Fuente from TCU and Norvell from ASU looking for a HC gig. AAC has kind of defined itself as the breeding ground for hungry Coordinators looking to advance.

(11-17-2019 09:09 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 08:45 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The biggest issue with getting rid of Charlie Strong is we have to pay $5.3 million and then buyout a few staff. Then who do we get? Anyone worth anything will have a buyout also.

Not certain we have $7+ million to change change coaches

Promote from within... Kerwin Bell?

Honestly, I haven’t been impressed with his offense. At times it looks promising and then others I am scratching my head.

For me, I have a list but there are issues

1. Clay Helton - good coach, bad situation. If fired, he will probably end up as aP5 coordinator but with his buyout, he would be cheap for us and could help offset Charlie’s buyout. I think he’s better than his record.

2. Monken - he has done wonders at army, but he has a buyout that would add millions to our cost. Not certain we can afford him

3. Bill Clark - he’s killed it at UAB

4. Billy Napier - great pedigree and is a younger up and comer. I think he’d do well and we could afford him.

Honestly, I don’t want to go after anyone who doesn’t have head coaching experience.

If we do make a change, I think a Billy Napier type is what we can do and it’s a risk. More than likely, they give Charlie one more year.

That has worked for almost everyone, Temple has hit paydird for quite a while out of necessity, the last 2 not so much.

Whether it's a HC in the G5 or a Coordinator in the P5, just hire someone that's hungry...not like a Tubby Smith hire at Memphis, lol. One thing I learned working on the corporate side of Sales, from the President to the VP of Sales to the Sales Managers, Sales Reps are quickly categorized as either "Farmers" or "Hunters." The Farmers get weeded out and replaced by Hunters sooner rather than later.

(11-17-2019 09:22 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:09 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 08:45 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The biggest issue with getting rid of Charlie Strong is we have to pay $5.3 million and then buyout a few staff. Then who do we get? Anyone worth anything will have a buyout also.

Not certain we have $7+ million to change change coaches

Promote from within... Kerwin Bell?

Honestly, I haven’t been impressed with his offense. At times it looks promising and then others I am scratching my head.

For me, I have a list but there are issues

1. Clay Helton - good coach, bad situation. If fired, he will probably end up as aP5 coordinator but with his buyout, he would be cheap for us and could help offset Charlie’s buyout. I think he’s better than his record.

2. Monken - he has done wonders at army, but he has a buyout that would add millions to our cost. Not certain we can afford him

3. Bill Clark - he’s killed it at UAB

4. Billy Napier - great pedigree and is a younger up and comer. I think he’d do well and we could afford him.

Honestly, I don’t want to go after anyone who doesn’t have head coaching experience.

If we do make a change, I think a Billy Napier type is what we can do and it’s a risk. More than likely, they give Charlie one more year.

Do you think that having Charlie Strong as the HC has an affect on what Kerwin Bell as a coordinator does with the offence as opposed to what he might do as the HC?

I was pretty impressed with what he did at Valdosta State and Jacksonville University.

We once hired a young, ridiculously hungry Broyles Award winner...

(11-17-2019 09:41 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  We once hired a young, ridiculously hungry Broyles Award winner...

... and coming from the hallowed halls of Notre Dame one would expect a different result than what UConn got.

(11-17-2019 09:06 AM)rosewater Wrote:  This is why retreads are bad at our level. Your last sentence is untrue. The best coaches have not been discovered yet.

Sonny Dykes says 'hi'.

(11-17-2019 09:59 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:06 AM)rosewater Wrote:  This is why retreads are bad at our level. Your last sentence is untrue. The best coaches have not been discovered yet.

Sonny Dykes says 'hi'.

And he has done what???? I cannot remember his bowl wins at SMU.

(11-17-2019 10:59 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:59 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:06 AM)rosewater Wrote:  This is why retreads are bad at our level. Your last sentence is untrue. The best coaches have not been discovered yet.

Sonny Dykes says 'hi'.

And he has done what???? I cannot remember his bowl wins at SMU.

He has won more games this year than any SMU coach since the mid 80’s.

(11-17-2019 10:59 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:59 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:06 AM)rosewater Wrote:  This is why retreads are bad at our level. Your last sentence is untrue. The best coaches have not been discovered yet.

Sonny Dykes says 'hi'.

And he has done what???? I cannot remember his bowl wins at SMU.

He has SMU - flipping SMU - at 9-1.

I'm serious - that means he's been successful, and it only took him two years.

Sonny Dykes is strong corroboration of my theory that you can hand a program that's been heading in the right direction to an experienced head coach and they might take it and run.

If you're a rebuild, retreads make little sense unless they're affordable. If you're rolling, maybe give someone with experience a good situation and roster and see what they can do.

Norvell, of course, is the proof that unproven head coaches can also catch lightning in a bottle and turn it into a way of life.

(11-17-2019 02:08 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 10:59 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:59 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:06 AM)rosewater Wrote:  This is why retreads are bad at our level. Your last sentence is untrue. The best coaches have not been discovered yet.

Sonny Dykes says 'hi'.

And he has done what???? I cannot remember his bowl wins at SMU.

He has SMU - flipping SMU - at 9-1.

I'm serious - that means he's been successful, and it only took him two years.

I am glad for you. I hope you never get flubbervilled but I hope we never hire a retread at Cincinnati including Sonny Dykes. Most times the retread does not have the burn to compete like the unproven coach. I could make a list a mile long of coaches that never come near the recapture of their high water mark at the lower level program.

(11-17-2019 09:22 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:09 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 08:45 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The biggest issue with getting rid of Charlie Strong is we have to pay $5.3 million and then buyout a few staff. Then who do we get? Anyone worth anything will have a buyout also.

Not certain we have $7+ million to change change coaches

Promote from within... Kerwin Bell?

4. Billy Napier - great pedigree and is a younger up and comer. I think he’d do well and we could afford him.

Honestly, I don’t want to go after anyone who doesn’t have head coaching experience.

If we do make a change, I think a Billy Napier type is what we can do and it’s a risk. More than likely, they give Charlie one more year.

I can't imagine Napier would take the USF job. He is likely going to have SEC offers soon.

Vandy's Mason getting another year. Could be huge for some team.

(11-17-2019 05:51 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 02:08 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 10:59 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:59 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:06 AM)rosewater Wrote:  This is why retreads are bad at our level. Your last sentence is untrue. The best coaches have not been discovered yet.

Sonny Dykes says 'hi'.

And he has done what???? I cannot remember his bowl wins at SMU.

He has SMU - flipping SMU - at 9-1.

I'm serious - that means he's been successful, and it only took him two years.

I am glad for you. I hope you never get flubbervilled but I hope we never hire a retread at Cincinnati including Sonny Dykes. Most times the retread does not have the burn to compete like the unproven coach. I could make a list a mile long of coaches that never come near the recapture of their high water mark at the lower level program.

That reminds me. Tuberville is running for the Senate from Alabama now. NOT intending to make this political, just ironic that an ex-successful coach at Auburn, and an ex-unsuccessful coach at UC, decided his next career move is to go into politics, lol.