None of these losses in a vacuum have been particularly surprising but this has been a worst case scenario start for the aac.

If forced to choose the sport to excel, then I select football because of its prominence.

Let's hope for a rebound in our basketball fortunes starting today.

(11-16-2019 08:56 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  If forced to choose the sport to excel, then I select football because of its prominence.

Let's hope for a rebound in our basketball fortunes starting today.

If you have to choose you must choose football.

In football if your conference is not respected you have no shot...Which is where we currently are.

In basketball, your whole conference can suck outside of 1 team and they can still win it all.

(11-16-2019 12:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  In football if your conference is not respected you have no shot...Which is where we currently are.

That's a very pessimistic way of looking at things. The picture is much brighter than that.

AAC football is respected, with more top 25 teams than the AAC and PAC-12, and the AAC rankings are at approximate parity with those two P5 conferences. The trajectory of AAC FB's development (season over season improvement) is very reminscent to that of the original Big East FB in their first 7 seasons.

The AAC has had a pretty good MBB weekend, with the upset over Florida and UCF's upset on the road. We've got a couple of undefeated teams at this point (e.g., Wichita, Temple). Memphis's loss, starting 5 freshmen, came on the road against #15 Oregon, and Cincy's loss came at top ten Ohio State. UConn and UCF are showing signs of life. Houston are trying to find their sea legs and need to learn how to play against a zone defense, but USF is the only team that has been a total disappointment, and they could still turn things around. Temple is 3-0 and playing good defense under their new, first-time Head Coach.

There's still a reasonable chance that 4 AAC teams, including Memphis, Wichita, and Cincy could make their way to the NCAA tournament, and the battles between Houston, Temple, UConn, and UCF - if not others - are likely to be fiercely contested. It would not be surprising to see 6 or 7 AAC teams playing in the NCAA or NIT tournaments.

We're just getting started.

Hey, I saw that UCF pulled it out against Illinois St.

There ya go.

(11-17-2019 08:46 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-16-2019 12:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  In football if your conference is not respected you have no shot...Which is where we currently are.

That's a very pessimistic way of looking at things. The picture is much brighter than that.

AAC football is respected, with more top 25 teams than the AAC and PAC-12, and the AAC rankings are at approximate parity with those two P5 conferences. The trajectory of AAC FB's development (season over season improvement) is very reminscent to that of the original Big East FB in their first 7 seasons.

The AAC has had a pretty good MBB weekend, with the upset over Florida and UCF's upset on the road. We've got a couple of undefeated teams at this point (e.g., Wichita, Temple). Memphis's loss, starting 5 freshmen, came on the road against #15 Oregon, and Cincy's loss came at top ten Ohio State. UConn and UCF are showing signs of life. Houston are trying to find their sea legs and need to learn how to play against a zone defense, but USF is the only team that has been a total disappointment, and they could still turn things around. Temple is 3-0 and playing good defense under their new, first-time Head Coach.

There's still a reasonable chance that 4 AAC teams, including Memphis, Wichita, and Cincy could make their way to the NCAA tournament, and the battles between Houston, Temple, UConn, and UCF - if not others - are likely to be fiercely contested. It would not be surprising to see 6 or 7 AAC teams playing in the NCAA or NIT tournaments.

We're just getting started.

Ask UCF how much the AAC is respected and how much of a shot they had...We have to continue to win OOC in order to prove we should get a shot in the playoff with an undefeated team.

And our top teams cant get raped by the top teams in the P5 like we did a couple of times this year.

(11-17-2019 08:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 08:46 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-16-2019 12:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  In football if your conference is not respected you have no shot...Which is where we currently are.

That's a very pessimistic way of looking at things. The picture is much brighter than that.

AAC football is respected, with more top 25 teams than the AAC and PAC-12, and the AAC rankings are at approximate parity with those two P5 conferences. The trajectory of AAC FB's development (season over season improvement) is very reminscent to that of the original Big East FB in their first 7 seasons.

The AAC has had a pretty good MBB weekend, with the upset over Florida and UCF's upset on the road. We've got a couple of undefeated teams at this point (e.g., Wichita, Temple). Memphis's loss, starting 5 freshmen, came on the road against #15 Oregon, and Cincy's loss came at top ten Ohio State. UConn and UCF are showing signs of life. Houston are trying to find their sea legs and need to learn how to play against a zone defense, but USF is the only team that has been a total disappointment, and they could still turn things around. Temple is 3-0 and playing good defense under their new, first-time Head Coach.

There's still a reasonable chance that 4 AAC teams, including Memphis, Wichita, and Cincy could make their way to the NCAA tournament, and the battles between Houston, Temple, UConn, and UCF - if not others - are likely to be fiercely contested. It would not be surprising to see 6 or 7 AAC teams playing in the NCAA or NIT tournaments.

We're just getting started.

Ask UCF how much the AAC is respected and how much of a shot they had

UCF doesn't have much to complain about (albeit that some of their fans have had a bit of a reputation for grousing) They've been the top or among the top FB teams in the conference for the past few years. They've had great attendance and viewership ratings, and they had a hugely successful MBB program last season. Johnny Dawkins is emerging as one of the top basketball coaches in the AAC.

Temple has done it's part in it's OOC scheduling at least. The next four games:

USC 4-0
Maryland 3-0
Missouri 2-1
St. Joe's 2-2

Villanova and Penn down the road.

(11-17-2019 09:18 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Temple has done it's part in it's OOC scheduling at least. The next four games:

USC 4-0
Maryland 3-0
Missouri 2-1
St. Joe's 2-2

Villanova and Penn down the road.

Temple's website indicates that the upcoming games are:

USC 4-0 (AWAY)
#7 Maryland 3-0 (game 1 Orlando Invitational)
Texas A&M/Howard (game 2 Orlando Invitational)
TBD (possible game 3 Orlando Invitational)
Missouri 2-1 (HOME)
St. Joe's 2-2 (HOME)

While Temple is 3-0, the competition has been relatively weak thus far (Drexel, Morgan St., @LaSalle), although playing at LaSalle is usually a tough Big 5 rivalry game. Temple has outscored opponents, 71.6 to 61.3, despite mediocre shooting and a clunky half court offense. The loss of Shizz Alston has had a clear impact on play-making, which new HC Aaron McKie will need to address. In addition, two Temple players have struggled (Scott) or been inconsistent (Hamilton) in their early performances, and JP Moorman hasn't yet emerged as the scorer that he was projected to be in the pre-season. In addition, starting Center Damion Moore was unable to play against LaSalle and has had a history of vulnerability to ankle injuries.

For these reasons, USC and Maryland are likely to be favored in their games with Temple. Before returning for home games vs. solid opponents Missouri and St. Joseph's (always a tough Big 5 game), Temple might be able to pick up a win against Texas A&M or Howard.

It seems most realistic that Temple's record after the next five games might range between 5-4 and 7-2 .

Temple's remaining OOC games are:

vs. Miami (neutral court; at NYC's Barclay Center)
vs. Rider (HOME)
@ Penn (AWAY; Palestra)
vs. Villanova (HOME)

Thus, it seems most likely that Temple could finish its OOC games with a record ranging between somewhere between 6-6 and 9-4, barring upsets vs. USC, Maryland, Miami (FL) and Villanova.

On the upside, it is possible that Damion Moore will return soon at full strength, that Monty Scott will get on track as a potential 17 ppg scorer, that Hamilton and Moorman will play closer to their potential, and that Damian Dunn will return at full strength in time to become a contributor by mid-December. Another potential upside would be that Temple's other two freshmen (JPL & Arashma Parks) will continue to improve and play key contributing roles off the bench.

Another upside is that new Head Coach Aaron McKie has gotten off to a pretty good start, experimenting with various combinations of players and making necessary adjustments. There is an expected learning curve, and he will continue to master Head Coaching skills, but his trajectory thus far has been faster than might generally be expected.

(11-17-2019 10:11 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:18 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Temple has done it's part in it's OOC scheduling at least. The next four games:

USC 4-0
Maryland 3-0
Missouri 2-1
St. Joe's 2-2

Villanova and Penn down the road.

Temple's website indicates that the upcoming games are:

USC 4-0 (AWAY)
#7 Maryland 3-0 (game 1 Orlando Invitational)
Texas A&M/Howard (game 2 Orlando Invitational)
TBD (possible game 3 Orlando Invitational)
Missouri 2-1 (HOME)
St. Joe's 2-2 (HOME)

While Temple is 3-0, the competition has been relatively weak thus far (Drexel, Morgan St., @LaSalle), although playing at LaSalle is usually a tough Big 5 rivalry game. Temple has outscored opponents, 71.6 to 61.3, despite mediocre shooting and a clunky half court offense. The loss of Shizz Alston has had a clear impact on play-making, which new HC Aaron McKie will need to address. In addition, two Temple players have struggled (Scott) or been inconsistent (Hamilton) in their early performances, and JP Moorman hasn't yet emerged as the scorer that he was projected to be in the pre-season. In addition, starting Center Damion Moore was unable to play against LaSalle and has had a history of vulnerability to ankle injuries.

For these reasons, USC and Maryland are likely to be favored in their games with Temple. Before returning for home games vs. solid opponents Missouri and St. Joseph's (always a tough Big 5 game), Temple might be able to pick up a win against Texas A&M or Howard.

It seems most realistic that Temple's record after the next five games might range between 5-4 and 7-2 .

Temple's remaining OOC games are:

vs. Miami (neutral court; at NYC's Barclay Center)
vs. Rider (HOME)
@ Penn (AWAY; Palestra)
vs. Villanova (HOME)

Thus, it seems most likely that Temple could finish its OOC games with a record ranging between somewhere between 6-6 and 9-4, barring upsets vs. USC, Maryland, Miami (FL) and Villanova.

On the upside, it is possible that Damion Moore will return soon at full strength, that Monty Scott will get on track as a potential 17 ppg scorer, that Hamilton and Moorman will play closer to their potential, and that Damian Dunn will return at full strength in time to become a contributor by mid-December. Another potential upside would be that Temple's other two freshmen (JPL & Arashma Parks) will continue to improve and play key contributing roles off the bench.

Another upside is that new Head Coach Aaron McKie has gotten off to a pretty good start, experimenting with various combinations of players and making necessary adjustments. There is an expected learning curve, and he will continue to master Head Coaching skills, but his trajectory thus far has been faster than might generally be expected.

Nice additional facts that I obviously missed not being as detailed and close to play as you are, thanks!

Regardless of results, Temple's OOC scheduling continues to exceed much of the rest of the AAC, much like the tradition of when John Chaney ran the program with tough OOC schedules.

I only wish teams like ECU would follow similar path of OOC scheduling.

(11-17-2019 10:40 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 10:11 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:18 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Temple has done it's part in it's OOC scheduling at least. The next four games:

USC 4-0
Maryland 3-0
Missouri 2-1
St. Joe's 2-2

Villanova and Penn down the road.

Temple's website indicates that the upcoming games are:

USC 4-0 (AWAY)
#7 Maryland 3-0 (game 1 Orlando Invitational)
Texas A&M/Howard (game 2 Orlando Invitational)
TBD (possible game 3 Orlando Invitational)
Missouri 2-1 (HOME)
St. Joe's 2-2 (HOME)

While Temple is 3-0, the competition has been relatively weak thus far (Drexel, Morgan St., @LaSalle), although playing at LaSalle is usually a tough Big 5 rivalry game. Temple has outscored opponents, 71.6 to 61.3, despite mediocre shooting and a clunky half court offense. The loss of Shizz Alston has had a clear impact on play-making, which new HC Aaron McKie will need to address. In addition, two Temple players have struggled (Scott) or been inconsistent (Hamilton) in their early performances, and JP Moorman hasn't yet emerged as the scorer that he was projected to be in the pre-season. In addition, starting Center Damion Moore was unable to play against LaSalle and has had a history of vulnerability to ankle injuries.

For these reasons, USC and Maryland are likely to be favored in their games with Temple. Before returning for home games vs. solid opponents Missouri and St. Joseph's (always a tough Big 5 game), Temple might be able to pick up a win against Texas A&M or Howard.

It seems most realistic that Temple's record after the next five games might range between 5-4 and 7-2 .

Temple's remaining OOC games are:

vs. Miami (neutral court; at NYC's Barclay Center)
vs. Rider (HOME)
@ Penn (AWAY; Palestra)
vs. Villanova (HOME)

Thus, it seems most likely that Temple could finish its OOC games with a record ranging between somewhere between 6-6 and 9-4, barring upsets vs. USC, Maryland, Miami (FL) and Villanova.

On the upside, it is possible that Damion Moore will return soon at full strength, that Monty Scott will get on track as a potential 17 ppg scorer, that Hamilton and Moorman will play closer to their potential, and that Damian Dunn will return at full strength in time to become a contributor by mid-December. Another potential upside would be that Temple's other two freshmen (JPL & Arashma Parks) will continue to improve and play key contributing roles off the bench.

Another upside is that new Head Coach Aaron McKie has gotten off to a pretty good start, experimenting with various combinations of players and making necessary adjustments. There is an expected learning curve, and he will continue to master Head Coaching skills, but his trajectory thus far has been faster than might generally be expected.

Nice additional facts that I obviously missed not being as detailed and close to play as you are, thanks!

Regardless of results, Temple's OOC scheduling continues to exceed much of the rest of the AAC, much like the tradition of when John Chaney ran the program with tough OOC schedules.

I only wish teams like ECU would follow similar path of OOC scheduling.

ECU should schedule like Texas Southern since they are gonna lose anyway.

League overall is 11-1 for past 4 days.

As bad as we've been in basketball, thank goodness we are not the Mountain West! I saw someone post that SMU's next opponent, UNLV, lost to Texas State and wanted to check it out and saw the scores for their other games and realized that most lost and most have sub-.500 records. Ouch! Also, Coach P, it looks like that BYU loss is going to be a bad loss as BYU already has losses including one to Boise State (Boises State lost to UC Irvine).

(11-19-2019 11:00 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  League overall is 11-1 for past 4 days.

The American is now tied for 7th (with the A10) for OOC winning percentage. I'm sure you can easily guess who the 6 conferences up top are (though the B1G is actually barely above, 75% for them and 74% for A10/American).

Like I said, the ship will be righted and the sky is not falling for the American.

(11-21-2019 04:28 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(11-19-2019 11:00 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  League overall is 11-1 for past 4 days.

The American is now tied for 7th (with the A10) for OOC winning percentage. I'm sure you can easily guess who the 6 conferences up top are (though the B1G is actually barely above, 75% for them and 74% for A10/American).

Like I said, the ship will be righted and the sky is not falling for the American.

I hope and expect that you're right about that, but it will take a couple of weeks before we have a better idea where things are headed.

The problem right now is that there have been a few bad losses and few good wins in the early going, and that the overall conference SOS is ranked quite low.

(11-21-2019 04:28 PM)e-parade Wrote:  The American is now tied for 7th (with the A10) for OOC winning percentage.

Like I said, the ship will be righted and the sky is not falling for the American.

After a tough start, particularly Memphis' loss @ #15 Oregon, Cincy's loss @ Ohio State, and USF's early challenges, the conference has come back with a couple of P5 upsets (e.g., Tulane over Utah, Temple @ USC).

The conference has 8 teams with 1 or 0 losses (5-0, 4-0, 4-1, or 3-1 records), and two of the 1 loss teams are Memphis and Cincy, which will no doubt contend for the conference title.

Wichita is looking very good at 5-0, Tulane has a terrific new HC, Johnny Dawkins has done fine work with UCF, first-time HC Aaron McKie is off to a strong start, and UConn has a couple of great early season wins with Bouknight leading the way.