What's the timetable?

Thanks.

Probably well after the season.

I thought it was the end of October... But I would have to find Arescos original statement about the waiver to verify that.

About the same time the MWC gets their TV deal.

(10-01-2019 02:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  What's the timetable?

Thanks.

It seems absurd for the AAC to even have to deal with this at all.

Truth be told, it's probably best for the AAC to just keep the East and West divisions as they are.

Unless the AAC has a legal obligation to do whatever the NCAA dictates, the conference should be free to make its own decision, and hold a championship game with or without divisions.

Think of it this way: What if the AAC just decides to keep the divisions, with only 5 teams in the AAC East, to save $$$ on travel costs and also to help minimize environmental impact by flying thousands of extra air miles?

Would the NCAA want to spend money on attorneys' fees to sue the AAC or to block the AAC from participating in any bowl games simply for holding a championship game without an explicit NCAA waiver?

It seems to make the most sense for the NCAA to take a "hands off" approach with conferences with than less than 12 teams. Let the conferences make their own decisions.

As the New Hampshire state slogan says, "Live Free" (or else) (inspired by the founding father and prominent "Anti-Federalist" Patrick Henry).

Love to see Aresco show a wee bit of moxy and quietly announce that the conference will maintain its divisions - if that's agreed to by AAC members - and let the chips fall where they may.

(10-02-2019 06:29 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(10-01-2019 02:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  What's the timetable?

Thanks.

It seems absurd for the AAC to even have to deal with this at all.

Truth be told, it's probably best for the AAC to just keep the East and West divisions as they are.

Unless the AAC has a legal obligation to do whatever the NCAA dictates, the conference should be free to make its own decision, and hold a championship game with or without divisions.

Think of it this way: What if the AAC just decides to keep the divisions, with only 5 teams in the AAC East, to save $$$ on travel costs and also to help minimize environmental impact by flying thousands of extra air miles?

Would the NCAA want to spend money on attorneys' fees to sue the AAC or to block the AAC from participating in any bowl games simply for holding a championship game without an explicit NCAA waiver?

It seems to make the most sense for the NCAA to take a "hands off" approach with conferences with than less than 12 teams. Let the conferences make their own decisions.

As the New Hampshire state slogan says, "Live Free" (or else) (inspired by the founding father and prominent "Anti-Federalist" Patrick Henry).

Love to see Aresco show a wee bit of moxy and quietly announce that the conference will maintain its divisions - if that's agreed to by AAC members - and let the chips fall where they may.

Have you not been keeping up? If we don't get the waiver, that's exactly what we are going to do. Keep divisions and play an unbalanced schedule.

(10-02-2019 06:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-02-2019 06:29 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(10-01-2019 02:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  What's the timetable?

Thanks.

Love to see Aresco show a wee bit of moxy and quietly announce that the conference will maintain its divisions - if that's agreed to by AAC members - and let the chips fall where they may.

Have you not been keeping up? If we don't get the waiver, that's exactly what we are going to do. Keep divisions and play an unbalanced schedule.

What I'm stating is that a "waiver" shouldn't be required, in the first place - - not that the AAC should wait for permission from the NCAA to keep the AAC East and West divisions and play unbalanced schedule.

The AAC would have a good case, because it is best for the conference members and athletes to reduce travel time and travel costs to do so.

Perhaps there are legal contracts requiring a waiver to be obtained from the NCAA, due to various bowl contractual agreements with stipulations about what constitutes a conference "champion." However, it seems quite unlikely that whichever team the AAC identifies as its champion would be disputed by the NCAA in any event.

Bottom line: Keep the AAC East and West divisions. Unless prohibited from doing so, resist any attempt by the NCAA to tell the AAC that it can't retain these divisions so as to save travel time and costs.

jed, keeping divisions is the default and already requires no ncaa intervention. although i agree that aresco should go divisionless anyway and declare postfacto divisions.

(10-02-2019 08:02 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(10-02-2019 06:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-02-2019 06:29 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(10-01-2019 02:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  What's the timetable?

Thanks.

Love to see Aresco show a wee bit of moxy and quietly announce that the conference will maintain its divisions - if that's agreed to by AAC members - and let the chips fall where they may.

Have you not been keeping up? If we don't get the waiver, that's exactly what we are going to do. Keep divisions and play an unbalanced schedule.

What I'm stating is that a "waiver" shouldn't be required, in the first place - - not that the AAC should wait for permission from the NCAA to keep the AAC East and West divisions and play unbalanced schedule.

The AAC would have a good case, because it is best for the conference members and athletes to reduce travel time and travel costs to do so.

Perhaps there are legal contracts requiring a waiver to be obtained from the NCAA, due to various bowl contractual agreements with stipulations about what constitutes a conference "champion." However, it seems quite unlikely that whichever team the AAC identifies as its champion would be disputed by the NCAA in any event.

Bottom line: Keep the AAC East and West divisions. Unless prohibited from doing so, resist any attempt by the NCAA to tell the AAC that it can't retain these divisions so as to save travel time and costs.

We are allowed to keep the divisions but we don't want to do to the uneven schedules.
The waiver is to do away with divisions and be able to have a conference championship game without a round robin schedule The rules state you can only do this on a round robin schedule, which would be 10 conference games for AAC members which ain't happening.

(10-03-2019 06:17 PM)bucblizzard Wrote:  

(10-02-2019 08:02 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(10-02-2019 06:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-02-2019 06:29 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(10-01-2019 02:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  What's the timetable?

Thanks.

Love to see Aresco show a wee bit of moxy and quietly announce that the conference will maintain its divisions - if that's agreed to by AAC members - and let the chips fall where they may.

Have you not been keeping up? If we don't get the waiver, that's exactly what we are going to do. Keep divisions and play an unbalanced schedule.

What I'm stating is that a "waiver" shouldn't be required, in the first place - - not that the AAC should wait for permission from the NCAA to keep the AAC East and West divisions and play unbalanced schedule.

The AAC would have a good case, because it is best for the conference members and athletes to reduce travel time and travel costs to do so.

Perhaps there are legal contracts requiring a waiver to be obtained from the NCAA, due to various bowl contractual agreements with stipulations about what constitutes a conference "champion." However, it seems quite unlikely that whichever team the AAC identifies as its champion would be disputed by the NCAA in any event.

Bottom line: Keep the AAC East and West divisions. Unless prohibited from doing so, resist any attempt by the NCAA to tell the AAC that it can't retain these divisions so as to save travel time and costs.

We are allowed to keep the divisions but we don't want to do to the uneven schedules.
The waiver is to do away with divisions and be able to have a conference championship game without a round robin schedule The rules state you can only do this on a round robin schedule, which would be 10 conference games for AAC members which ain't happening.

Right. The waiver is to drop divisions and still play a CCG.

The unbalenced scheduling aspect can't be understated. If divisons are left the only way to keep everybody at 8 conference games would be to have two one multle teams from the west not play each other. That makes zero sense when trying to declare a division champion. Another option would be to have some teams play one more or less conference game than others,; this would mean some teams would have to cancel already scheduled OOC games or scramble to find an extra game and end up with another FCS most likely. The third option would be to have the teams what were scheduled to play Uconn play them anyway and designate that game as a conference game. In the end the last option would probably be the best. You would be continuing what was going to be the schedule anyway and Uconn can fill out its schedule. This also brings up another thread. Perhaps unconn is waiting to see if we get he waiver( they still have 8 openings) knowing if we don't they could ask to play next year out like it would have gone anyway, they just wouldn't be in conference. Of coarse if that happens then we have to invite a 12th member for 2021.

(10-04-2019 09:22 AM)Poseidon Wrote:  The unbalenced scheduling aspect can't be understated. If divisons are left the only way to keep everybody at 8 conference games would be to have two one multle teams from the west not play each other. That makes zero sense when trying to declare a division champion. Another option would be to have some teams play one more or less conference game than others,; this would mean some teams would have to cancel already scheduled OOC games or scramble to find an extra game and end up with another FCS most likely. The third option would be to have the teams what were scheduled to play Uconn play them anyway and designate that game as a conference game. In the end the last option would probably be the best. You would be continuing what was going to be the schedule anyway and Uconn can fill out its schedule. This also brings up another thread. Perhaps unconn is waiting to see if we get he waiver( they still have 8 openings) knowing if we don't they could ask to play next year out like it would have gone anyway, they just wouldn't be in conference. Of coarse if that happens then we have to invite a 12th member for 2021.

No, we don't. We are not inviting a 12th team. Period. We are going with 11. Either we get the waiver and play without divisions, or we don't get the waiver, and we play with divisions and an unbalanced schedule. The Big Ten did it for 2 decades, lol.

And you left out an option. Two teams in the East can play each other home and home in the same season. Problem solved.

We also aren't keeping UConn in the conference for football next season.

(10-01-2019 02:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  What's the timetable?

Thanks.

Whenever ABC/ESPN tells the NCAA to approve it.

Remember, ESPN runs college football (not the NCAA) and ESPN "wants" the AAC Championship Game because those tv ratings have been very good the last few years.

This is a slam dunk of a slam dunk for approval.

(10-04-2019 09:30 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(10-01-2019 02:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  What's the timetable?

Thanks.

Whenever ABC/ESPN tells the NCAA to approve it.

Remember, ESPN runs college football (not the NCAA) and ESPN "wants" the AAC Championship Game because those tv ratings have been very good the last few years.

This is a slam dunk of a slam dunk for approval.

IDK. The ACC asked for a similar waiver, and was denied. We may get one for 2-3 years, but beyond that, there would have to be a rules change, I believe.

(10-02-2019 08:02 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(10-02-2019 06:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-02-2019 06:29 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(10-01-2019 02:16 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  What's the timetable?

Thanks.

Love to see Aresco show a wee bit of moxy and quietly announce that the conference will maintain its divisions - if that's agreed to by AAC members - and let the chips fall where they may.

Have you not been keeping up? If we don't get the waiver, that's exactly what we are going to do. Keep divisions and play an unbalanced schedule.

What I'm stating is that a "waiver" shouldn't be required, in the first place - - not that the AAC should wait for permission from the NCAA to keep the AAC East and West divisions and play unbalanced schedule.

The AAC would have a good case, because it is best for the conference members and athletes to reduce travel time and travel costs to do so.

Perhaps there are legal contracts requiring a waiver to be obtained from the NCAA, due to various bowl contractual agreements with stipulations about what constitutes a conference "champion." However, it seems quite unlikely that whichever team the AAC identifies as its champion would be disputed by the NCAA in any event.

Bottom line: Keep the AAC East and West divisions. Unless prohibited from doing so, resist any attempt by the NCAA to tell the AAC that it can't retain these divisions so as to save travel time and costs.

Its not required. Where a waiver is needed is to have a divisionless CCG without playing a full round robin. That is not allowed under current NCAA rules---which is why there is little reason to expect we will be granted a waiver to have a divisionless CCG. I think we will almost certainly get a waiver granting some scheduling flexibility for holding a CCG using uneven divisions (same thing the NCAA gave the MAC and CUSA when they had unbalanced divisions).

(10-04-2019 09:28 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-04-2019 09:22 AM)Poseidon Wrote:  The unbalenced scheduling aspect can't be understated. If divisons are left the only way to keep everybody at 8 conference games would be to have two one multle teams from the west not play each other. That makes zero sense when trying to declare a division champion. Another option would be to have some teams play one more or less conference game than others,; this would mean some teams would have to cancel already scheduled OOC games or scramble to find an extra game and end up with another FCS most likely. The third option would be to have the teams what were scheduled to play Uconn play them anyway and designate that game as a conference game. In the end the last option would probably be the best. You would be continuing what was going to be the schedule anyway and Uconn can fill out its schedule. This also brings up another thread. Perhaps unconn is waiting to see if we get he waiver( they still have 8 openings) knowing if we don't they could ask to play next year out like it would have gone anyway, they just wouldn't be in conference. Of coarse if that happens then we have to invite a 12th member for 2021.

No, we don't. We are not inviting a 12th team. Period. We are going with 11. Either we get the waiver and play without divisions, or we don't get the waiver, and we play with divisions and an unbalanced schedule. The Big Ten did it for 2 decades, lol.
We could leave unbalanced divisions, but that just looks dysfunctional.

And you left out an option. Two teams in the East can play each other home and home in the same season. Problem solved. I did leave this out. That is a valid option. I just assumed that the teams would not be to crazy about it. Just make USF UCF do it if needs be.

We also aren't keeping UConn in the conference for football next season.
I didn't say we would keep them in conference, just on the schedule and designate the games with them as conference games. The Sunbelt did this about 10 or 15 years ago when they didn't have a balanced schedule or enough teams.