(09-30-2019 05:36 PM)DeanoAPP Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 03:37 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The California governor just signed into law a law that allows college athletes to profit from their likeness and sign endorsement deals. I’m actually alright with this, but it’s a big no-no with the NCAA. This is either going to make every team in California ineligible for NCAA or the NCAA is going to have to allow this to happen every where.

This could be the catalyst that finally produces the super conferences in football and relegates about 80 teams to G5 status.

Im not sold that this will level the playing field for all athletes, The P5 schools will still have more money, more TV revenue and be able to now pay their athletes more unless the NCAA steps in and contributes or puts a cap on funds earned while in college.

NCAA isn't going to have a choice but to adjust. Pac 12 is one of their darling conferences. If they ban Cali schools they basically destroy the conference.

I personally dont support this. A think a free college education and platform to go pro is more than fair for playing sports. I also dont think it's possible to be fair amongst sports. How do you pay tennis players who are a net loss for the university? Theoretically they should pay to play if we are paying people there worth.

But read me loud and clear....I dont care if you disagree. I completely understand the opposing view. And it has merit. So I dont want to argue whether or not players should be paid ...here is what I do want to know other opinions on, because I cant quite wrap my head around it.

Would this, in anyway take money out of our programs pockets? I mean...as it is, we require all ticket sales and additional fundraising to keep our football teams growing and paying the losses all other sports take right?

I know a previous poster said wont this widden the gap, and someone sarcastically replied that the little guys were left behind when the p5 G5 distinction was made. The 2nd poster was wrong...back in the day there were 6 power conferences and everyone else was IAA. G5 allowed programs to grow, and some of them became p5 (TCU, Utah). But paying players....to me would crush all non p5 schools and the bottom 60% of p5 schools. Money is so concentrated at 35 schools...I just cant see how this wouldnt be terrible. Thoughts?

This is politicians who have no clue what they are talking about and not thinking the repercussions of this law. Let's be honest. Most folks have no clue what most schools make and spend on athletics. They think that the world is made up of Texas, Alabama and LSU. They think that all schools have tens of millions just lying around and no one can quite figure out how to spend it. Also, someone mentioned Title IX. Wait until the stud football player is a Heisman candidate and raking in thousands a month on advertising and the women's basketball team, that happens to suck, isn't drawing any attention. They are going to demand money and TV and marketing so they can get their "fair share". Wait until Johnny QB is selling jerseys but no one buys Sally Point Guard's gear. Hell, I can see a collusion lawsuit from the players of smaller schools because they are denied prime time TV games and left to scramble on the internet while Alabama has a national broadcast every week. You think Bama is pissed now because of 11 AM games, just wait until it starts costing players money.

(09-30-2019 05:27 PM)tx.state Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 03:47 PM)slycat Wrote:  I think it'll be forced as other states pass measures or it'll go to Supreme Court.

About time the billions NCAA makes goes to those that earned it.

The NCAA doesn't make billions.

Total top line revenue is about a billion a year. Almost all of that is from TV rights for March Madness. NCAA makes very little money from football, baseball, and merchandise and loses money on all other sports.

To give an idea, they make less than the yearly operating budget of most large national universities.



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(09-30-2019 05:29 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 05:27 PM)tx.state Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 03:47 PM)slycat Wrote:  I think it'll be forced as other states pass measures or it'll go to Supreme Court.

About time the billions NCAA makes goes to those that earned it.

The NCAA doesn't make billions.

Total top line revenue is about a billion a year. Almost all of that is from TV rights for March Madness. NCAA makes very little money from football, baseball, and merchandise and loses money on all other sports.

It's not the NCAA making all of the money its the schools.

Even the schools, I mean it's nice to get a $40M check. But you're a president with a $1B annual budget. What's $40M?

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(09-30-2019 05:34 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  I don't have the slightest problem with this in principle, but in practice I think it is going to be a nightmare and is going to open so many Pandora's Boxes that it will probably kill college athletics as we know it.

Personally, I think it is all ridiculous that major universities can generate such large sums of money to begin with for running what is in effect developmental sports leagues. I mean few people care about the local minor league baseball or hockey team, so why do non-alumni give a rip about the local college football team.

From the 247 Sports article:

"The bill allows for profit opportunities that range from endorsement deals to compensation for youth coaching opportunities. It does not, however, open the door for direct payments from universities before or during their time on campus"

This isn't about universities paying payments to student athletes.

https://247sports.com/college/georgia-st...136336507/


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We need a legit minor league football system that coordinates with the NFL. We have minor leagues that work for other sports. That way if athletes want to get “paid” they go to the minor leagues and not college.

(09-30-2019 04:36 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 03:57 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 03:37 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The California governor just signed into law a law that allows college athletes to profit from their likeness and sign endorsement deals. I’m actually alright with this, but it’s a big no-no with the NCAA. This is either going to make every team in California ineligible for NCAA or the NCAA is going to have to allow this to happen every where.

This could be the catalyst that finally produces the super conferences in football and relegates about 80 teams to G5 status.

If I were the NCAA I would take a hard stance on this and ban them from any postseason competition and TV sanctions. Just like they did to auburn in the early 90’s.

Athletes already get payed. They are trying to change the rules for the exceptions and not the majority. Name me more than 10 players who would make money off of image and likeness.

That's easy. A whole recruiting class of 5*s that will sign with Memphis, and Fred Smith will hire them all to do FedEx commercials. I mean, it makes me sick, and I'm a huge Memphis fan, and this would be an awesome thumb in the eye of the Alabamas and Tennessees of the world... This is not what we want, whether we realize it or not.

This

(09-30-2019 08:02 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  We need a legit minor league football system that coordinates with the NFL. We have minor leagues that work for other sports. That way if athletes want to get “paid” they go to the minor leagues and not college.

And this.

(09-30-2019 06:35 PM)InjunJohn86 Wrote:  This is politicians who have no clue what they are talking about and not thinking the repercussions of this law. Let's be honest. Most folks have no clue what most schools make and spend on athletics. They think that the world is made up of Texas, Alabama and LSU. They think that all schools have tens of millions just lying around and no one can quite figure out how to spend it. Also, someone mentioned Title IX. Wait until the stud football player is a Heisman candidate and raking in thousands a month on advertising and the women's basketball team, that happens to suck, isn't drawing any attention. They are going to demand money and TV and marketing so they can get their "fair share". Wait until Johnny QB is selling jerseys but no one buys Sally Point Guard's gear. Hell, I can see a collusion lawsuit from the players of smaller schools because they are denied prime time TV games and left to scramble on the internet while Alabama has a national broadcast every week. You think Bama is pissed now because of 11 AM games, just wait until it starts costing players money.

The world is made of LSU, Texas, Bama, etc. It’s the P5 (really part of the P5), then the rest of us. It’s no secret, and this change will obviously cause a shuffle and growing pains...it needs to happen though. When you see a little kid wearing a $100 Jake Fromm UGA jersey and realize that Fromm himself got no money for it, then it’s an obvious choice...plus I need NCAA to hurry and come back. Pay the players, all the problems go away. Everybody wins.

Plus, the reality of it is that a lot of players get paid as it is, which is completely illegal as is. This will give schools an avenue for making some of these payments legal

For example, lets say Georgia follows California's example.

I wonder if Georgia State University itself can set aside some unspecified funds for Georgia State Foundation, and the foundation creates some special event appearances to pay the players. Would the Georgia State coaches be allowed to promise the recruits, "don't worry about how it works, but if you become a student-athlete at Georgia State, you're gonna get paid $XXXX per season from this ____ third party and you can spend that on your family or diamond earrings or wherever you'd like."

We fans have created a bunch of greedy, entitled, spoiled brats. They're no longer satisfied to use their athletic talents to get a $50,000 free education with room & board and food. No longer satisfied with receiving professional coaching, professional strength and conditioning coaches and trainers, eating specifically prepared meals and nutritional snacks designed by professional nutritionists. In some cases enjoying free barbers, doctors and dentists. Then there's the full time public relations department, free clothes, shoes and who knows what else. Not to mention the over the top, lush and plush facilities schools are building these days. They are even being paid a stipend and that's still not enough.

I expect schools will stop selling items with names & likeness on them. Since numbers have been worn by dozens of players there's really no way for current players to claim them.

(09-30-2019 08:11 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  We fans have created a bunch of greedy, entitled, spoiled brats. They're no longer satisfied to use their athletic talents to get a $50,000 free education with room & board and food. No longer satisfied with receiving professional coaching, professional strength and conditioning coaches and trainers, eating specifically prepared meals and nutritional snacks designed by professional nutritionists. In some cases enjoying free barbers, doctors and dentists. Then there's the full time public relations department, free clothes, shoes and who knows what else. Not to mention the over the top, lush and plush facilities schools are building these days. They are even being paid a stipend and that's still not enough.

I expect schools will stop selling items with names & likeness on them. Since numbers have been worn by dozens of players there's really no way for current players to claim them.

Correct. That is essentially the human condition. Even a billionaire wants more.

On the flip side, this will allow schools leverage to essentially force players to play in bowl games (since that is now a thing).

TIL people take state laws seriously only when pertaining to collegiate athletics.

Anything coming from California law is probably bad. How many college athletes can you name where their school directly benefits from their name? Most of that money goes to fund other non-revenue sports and to satisfy title 9. Free education and a stipend is nothing to sneeze at. And it’s not like college athlete don’t know what they are getting into...most crave a chance at and FBS school because it’s the best ticket to the NFL, MLB or the NBA. And if you’re good enough you can bypass your Junior and/Senior year to go pro if you don’t like college.

(09-30-2019 08:08 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  For example, lets say Georgia follows California's example.

I wonder if Georgia State University itself can set aside some unspecified funds for Georgia State Foundation, and the foundation creates some special event appearances to pay the players. Would the Georgia State coaches be allowed to promise the recruits, "don't worry about how it works, but if you become a student-athlete at Georgia State, you're gonna get paid $XXXX per season from this ____ third party and you can spend that on your family or diamond earrings or wherever you'd like."

Unlikely the universities will be involved directly. Too messy. The handful of players this actually affects would be able to market themselves. It's unlikely a G5 player would be able to market their football likeness and name for much. However if the athlete has some other talents or skills they would be able to pursue that while playing their sport.

Was it UCF's kicker a couple of years back that the NCAA wanted to end his YouTube channel?

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(09-30-2019 10:44 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 08:08 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  For example, lets say Georgia follows California's example.

I wonder if Georgia State University itself can set aside some unspecified funds for Georgia State Foundation, and the foundation creates some special event appearances to pay the players. Would the Georgia State coaches be allowed to promise the recruits, "don't worry about how it works, but if you become a student-athlete at Georgia State, you're gonna get paid $XXXX per season from this ____ third party and you can spend that on your family or diamond earrings or wherever you'd like."

Unlikely the universities will be involved directly. Too messy. The handful of players this actually affects would be able to market themselves. It's unlikely a G5 player would be able to market their football likeness and name for much. However if the athlete has some other talents or skills they would be able to pursue that while playing their sport.

Was it UCF's kicker a couple of years back that the NCAA wanted to end his YouTube channel?

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I disagree, and here's why. Memphis for example. Memphis is a large(ish) metropolitan area with over 1million people in it. A 5* is being recruited by both Memphis and Mississippi State. Now, you could go to Memphis and get a bunch of car commercial gigs, a FedEx commercial gig, maybe some Pyros promotional gigs. Or, you could go to Starkville. Population 25K. Which do you think has the bigger corporations with bigger advertising budgets? This will be a small-town/college-town nightmare. Forget P5/G5. It's about to become Big City/Little Town.

(09-30-2019 03:37 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The California governor just signed into law a law that allows college athletes to profit from their likeness and sign endorsement deals. I’m actually alright with this, but it’s a big no-no with the NCAA. This is either going to make every team in California ineligible for NCAA or the NCAA is going to have to allow this to happen every where.

This could be the catalyst that finally produces the super conferences in football and relegates about 80 teams to G5 status.

Remember Alston vs the NCAA?? I'm thinking that's probably what we're going to wind up with.

There is no good way this ends, that's all I know.

the ncaa could just just take away their membership and those schools that allow students to make money would form a new association. those that always point to the schools taking in large sums of money should just check out their financials as posted every year. schools like ut-austin that has the most sports revenue also spend almost all of it on their athletes and staff and facilities. not much is passed on to the school's general fund. the athletes are treated pretty lavishly at the top programs and little bobby qb wouldnt have any likeness or autographed jersey worth anything to sell without the platform the school provides. let them go from high school to the minor leagues if they want a paying contract. I think there will be some push back from taxpayers. I dont pay my taxes so the state school can provide a venue for some kid to make money at a sport. college sports were never meant for that. it has gotten out of control

(09-30-2019 03:37 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The California governor just signed into law a law that allows college athletes to profit from their likeness and sign endorsement deals. I’m actually alright with this, but it’s a big no-no with the NCAA. This is either going to make every team in California ineligible for NCAA or the NCAA is going to have to allow this to happen every where.

This could be the catalyst that finally produces the super conferences in football and relegates about 80 teams to G5 status.

I think it is way overblown.

As long as the scholarship and roster limits exist nothing changes.

The kids the top programs get now, still sign with top programs because they've got the access to the money. We sign basically who we were going to sign when money wasn't changing hands.

Not every player is going to get more than a full ride plus stipend.