(09-29-2019 12:10 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 09:28 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 03:19 PM)vick mike Wrote:  Have to beat a P6 to be nominated. BYU does not qualify.

BYU is now 2-3, with wins over Tennessee and USC and losses to Utah, Washington, and Toledo. They have 2 P5 wins and 2 P5 defeats under their belts, which is quite good, suggesting parity with the parity this season. However, the loss to Toledo has sullied their record somewhat.

The best thing for BYU to do is to join the AAC as a FB member.

https://byucougars.com/schedule/football/2019

Don’t need them don’t want them. Too far to travel for conference games. Too mediocre to add. Did not contribute to American success see no benefit to adding them.

BYU isn't crazy for the AAC West in terms of travel. They'd be an 8-4 AAC team that gives everyone fits and would also provide decent TV viewership.

(09-29-2019 02:22 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 12:10 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 09:28 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 03:19 PM)vick mike Wrote:  Have to beat a P6 to be nominated. BYU does not qualify.

BYU is now 2-3, with wins over Tennessee and USC and losses to Utah, Washington, and Toledo. They have 2 P5 wins and 2 P5 defeats under their belts, which is quite good, suggesting parity with the parity this season. However, the loss to Toledo has sullied their record somewhat.

The best thing for BYU to do is to join the AAC as a FB member.

https://byucougars.com/schedule/football/2019

Don’t need them don’t want them. Too far to travel for conference games. Too mediocre to add. Did not contribute to American success see no benefit to adding them.

BYU isn't crazy for the AAC West in terms of travel. They'd be an 8-4 AAC team that gives everyone fits and would also provide decent TV viewership.

The American will be fine with or without BYU. However, I agree that adding them for football only would be helpful to the conference. They bring with them a lot of history.

If I had to like a mac team it would be Toledo and I'm not even sure why. I kinda remember them being giant killers but can't remember who they beat

(09-29-2019 02:44 PM)shere khan Wrote:  If I had to like a mac team it would be Toledo and I'm not even sure why. I kinda remember them being giant killers but can't remember who they beat

Toledo beat #9 Pitt in the Glass Bowll(2003)
Toledo knocked off @ #18 Arkansas in 2015
And yes the Rockets beat Michigan in the Big House (2008), and in 2000 destroyed Penn State in Happy Valley...
I guess you could also throw in (Iowa State, Kansas, Minnesota, and - Purdue, who we have knocked off 3 times).

(09-29-2019 05:56 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 02:44 PM)shere khan Wrote:  If I had to like a mac team it would be Toledo and I'm not even sure why. I kinda remember them being giant killers but can't remember who they beat

Toledo beat #9 Pitt in the Glass Bowll(2003)
Toledo knocked off @ #18 Arkansas in 2015
And yes the Rockets beat Michigan in the Big House (2008), and in 2000 destroyed Penn State in Happy Valley...
I guess you could also throw in (Iowa State, Kansas, Minnesota, and - Purdue, who we have knocked off 3 times).

I don't think we are expanding, but keep that resume handy.

(09-30-2019 12:12 AM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 05:56 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 02:44 PM)shere khan Wrote:  If I had to like a mac team it would be Toledo and I'm not even sure why. I kinda remember them being giant killers but can't remember who they beat

Toledo beat #9 Pitt in the Glass Bowll(2003)
Toledo knocked off @ #18 Arkansas in 2015
And yes the Rockets beat Michigan in the Big House (2008), and in 2000 destroyed Penn State in Happy Valley...
I guess you could also throw in (Iowa State, Kansas, Minnesota, and - Purdue, who we have knocked off 3 times).

I don't think we are expanding, but keep that resume handy.

The AAC is not in the process of expanding at the present time, it's true.

However, the AAC may be in the process of considering various expansion proposals.

It has been made clear that many universities have been in contact with Commissioner Aresco, and that E$PN has maintained an ongoing interest in these discussions.

However, as far as Toledo is concerned, they are most likely quite a way down the list of potential future AAC members.

One of the important factors, beyond market size, nearness to footprint, and success in FB and MBB is the institution's current conference, and the intangible factor known as "cachet."

Toledo has practically no cachet. Almost all of the MWC schools have more cachet than Toledo. Besides, Toledo is quite a small/modest media market, and being a MAC member is a further hindrance.

It seems most likely that Toledo will be in the MAC for at least another century, if not a millennium.

(09-29-2019 02:16 PM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 12:54 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 12:10 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 09:28 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(09-28-2019 03:19 PM)vick mike Wrote:  Have to beat a P6 to be nominated. BYU does not qualify.

BYU is now 2-3, with wins over Tennessee and USC and losses to Utah, Washington, and Toledo. They have 2 P5 wins and 2 P5 defeats under their belts, which is quite good, suggesting parity with the parity this season. However, the loss to Toledo has sullied their record somewhat.

The best thing for BYU to do is to join the AAC as a FB member.

https://byucougars.com/schedule/football/2019

Don’t need them don’t want them. Too far to travel for conference games. Too mediocre to add. Did not contribute to American success see no benefit to adding them.

Well, if you guys don’t want BYU, then bring Toledo aboard...
We have matched up pretty well with Temple, Cincy, and UCF over the years...

I personally would be fine having Toledo for football . . . but I suspect that you understand how this stuff works. With Cincinnati already in the American, among other reasons, I doubt Toledo has a shot of ever getting an invitation. But, yes, I understand Toledo has had a lot of football success in the MAC, and I think the Rockets absolutely could win in the American.

I don't want them, but they are no where near us. Ohio is a large state and Cincinnati is in the bottom corner. Louisville, Lexington, Indianapolis, Dayton, and Huntington are all closer. I actually had to open a map to see exactly where they were.

(09-30-2019 02:03 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 12:12 AM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 05:56 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 02:44 PM)shere khan Wrote:  If I had to like a mac team it would be Toledo and I'm not even sure why. I kinda remember them being giant killers but can't remember who they beat

Toledo beat #9 Pitt in the Glass Bowll(2003)
Toledo knocked off @ #18 Arkansas in 2015
And yes the Rockets beat Michigan in the Big House (2008), and in 2000 destroyed Penn State in Happy Valley...
I guess you could also throw in (Iowa State, Kansas, Minnesota, and - Purdue, who we have knocked off 3 times).

I don't think we are expanding, but keep that resume handy.

The AAC is not in the process of expanding at the present time, it's true.

However, the AAC may be in the process of considering various expansion proposals.

It has been made clear that many universities have been in contact with Commissioner Aresco, and that E$PN has maintained an ongoing interest in these discussions.

However, as far as Toledo is concerned, they are most likely quite a way down the list of potential future AAC members.

One of the important factors, beyond market size, nearness to footprint, and success in FB and MBB is the institution's current conference, and the intangible factor known as "cachet."

Toledo has practically no cachet. Almost all of the MWC schools have more cachet than Toledo. Besides, Toledo is quite a small/modest media market, and being a MAC member is a further hindrance.

It seems most likely that Toledo will be in the MAC for at least another century, if not a millennium.

Ahhhhhhhh a Temple fan taking jabs at a MAC school with a winning record......

(09-28-2019 03:09 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Just beat (now 2-3) BYU 28-21.

This BYU team feels bipolar.

Holy Toledo, I missed this.

(10-01-2019 06:24 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 02:03 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 12:12 AM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 05:56 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 02:44 PM)shere khan Wrote:  If I had to like a mac team it would be Toledo and I'm not even sure why. I kinda remember them being giant killers but can't remember who they beat

Toledo beat #9 Pitt in the Glass Bowll(2003)
Toledo knocked off @ #18 Arkansas in 2015
And yes the Rockets beat Michigan in the Big House (2008), and in 2000 destroyed Penn State in Happy Valley...
I guess you could also throw in (Iowa State, Kansas, Minnesota, and - Purdue, who we have knocked off 3 times).

I don't think we are expanding, but keep that resume handy.

The AAC is not in the process of expanding at the present time, it's true.

However, the AAC may be in the process of considering various expansion proposals.

It has been made clear that many universities have been in contact with Commissioner Aresco, and that E$PN has maintained an ongoing interest in these discussions.

However, as far as Toledo is concerned, they are most likely quite a way down the list of potential future AAC members.

One of the important factors, beyond market size, nearness to footprint, and success in FB and MBB is the institution's current conference, and the intangible factor known as "cachet."

Toledo has practically no cachet. Almost all of the MWC schools have more cachet than Toledo. Besides, Toledo is quite a small/modest media market, and being a MAC member is a further hindrance.

It seems most likely that Toledo will be in the MAC for at least another century, if not a millennium.

Ahhhhhhhh a Temple fan taking jabs at a MAC school with a winning record......

Not taking a jab at Toledo or the MAC. What I meant to say was that the MAC is so stable that it seems likely to be around for another millennium, and that Toledo is a classic, core MAC university, lying very near to the geographical center of the MAC's footprint.

Sure, Toledo could leave the MAC someday, or the MAC could break apart. But it strikes me as being almost as likely that we'll see elephants flying as it is that the MAC will dissolve before the end of this century.

Yes, Toledo (or Miami/OH, NIU, or Buffalo) could leave the MAC and join the AAC. But the only way that seems likely to happen is if Toledo or one of these other universities becomes a highly attractive candidate to the AAC by putting excellent FB and MBB teams on the field/court year after year and also distinguishing themselves in other important ways.

Part of Toledo's problem is that it isn't located in a large metro area.

No doubt, though, Toledo has long been one of the top FB programs in the MAC and one of the better G5 FB programs, period.

(09-29-2019 05:56 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 02:44 PM)shere khan Wrote:  If I had to like a mac team it would be Toledo and I'm not even sure why. I kinda remember them being giant killers but can't remember who they beat

Toledo beat #9 Pitt in the Glass Bowll(2003)
Toledo knocked off @ #18 Arkansas in 2015
And yes the Rockets beat Michigan in the Big House (2008), and in 2000 destroyed Penn State in Happy Valley...
I guess you could also throw in (Iowa State, Kansas, Minnesota, and - Purdue, who we have knocked off 3 times).

I could see possibly adding Toledo for FB only, if institution such as Air Force and Colorado State aren't interested, but it's a small TV market, isn't an academic powerhouse, and doesn't have a gigantic enrollment.

More importantly, the AAC is trying to add schools with a large national following or established "flagship" state-related types of schools (Colorado State would be a sort of semi-flagship school).

So, more attractive candidates to the AAC probably include the successful independents (Army, BYU), service academies (Army, Air Force), schools from large cities (SDSU), and top State universities with semi-flagship status (Colorado State).

Buffalo may be a better fit than Toledo because it is one of the largest universities in the "flagship" State University of New York system, and has been solid in FB and MBB for a few years. Also, it's located in the northeastern region and would tap into the massive greater NYC market.

Even so, it seems like the AAC and ESPN are a bit skittish about Buffalo, and might be a bit moreso about the other MAC schools. From a prestige standpoint, UMass might be closer to what E$PN and AAC want (large, state flagship, east coast), but unfortunately, their teams haven't been successful in either sport recently.

Bottom line seems to be that most non-AAC G5 universities want to join the AAC, so there's no shortage of applicants.

Top candidate (non-FB): VCU

Likely top candidates (FB only): BYU, Air Force, Colorado State, BSU

NOTE: BSU (FB only) would only be of interest because it has been a highly successful FB program for over a decade and would expand the conference fingerprint into the Rocky Mtn. West.

Why is everyone wishing this evil on Toledo's football season? Look what happened to Georgia State's season after they got "talked up" as a potential AAC member here.

Our AD was on the radio last night. We are not adding anyone, he said there is a meeting during the afternoon of UC-UCF game on Friday where the ADs will be going over scheduling for the 11 members going forward.

(10-02-2019 02:02 AM)UCF_SystemsEng Wrote:  Why is everyone wishing this evil on Toledo's football season? Look what happened to Georgia State's season after they got "talked up" as a potential AAC member here.

I don't see anyone wishing any evil on Toledo or Georgia State. Some have simply said that such schools aren't likely to end up in the AAC, and the reasons why have been made clear - - the replacements for UConn have to meet a long list of requirements, and only a few schools qualify.

That's a simple fact, a.k.a. Aresco's statement on the subject.

(10-02-2019 03:56 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Our AD was on the radio last night. We are not adding anyone, he said there is a meeting during the afternoon of UC-UCF game on Friday where the ADs will be going over scheduling for the 11 members going forward.

What do you mean "we," kimosabe?

Which AD are you speaking of, and since when does any University AD ever have the inside information on a subject such as this?

The people with the inside information aren't talking publicly about what is really going on behind the scenes.

No expansion right now, but lots and lots of schools contacting Aresco, lots of conversations. The phones have been ringing off the hook.

(10-02-2019 04:40 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(10-02-2019 03:56 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Our AD was on the radio last night. We are not adding anyone, he said there is a meeting during the afternoon of UC-UCF game on Friday where the ADs will be going over scheduling for the 11 members going forward.

What do you mean "we," kimosabe?

Which AD are you speaking of, and since when does any University AD ever have the inside information on a subject such as this?

The people with the inside information aren't talking publicly about what is really going on behind the scenes.

No expansion right now, but lots and lots of schools contacting Aresco, lots of conversations. The phones have been ringing off the hook.

Mike Bohn, AD at the University of Cincinnati, said on a 50,000 watt radio station last night officials from the AAC will be in Cincinnati on Friday afternoon (UCF plays at UC that evening). The reason is the ADs will be going over scheduling for an 11 team league going forward. They will be working out the details on how they will be going forward, he discussed both football and basketball scheduling and the options for both sports.

(09-28-2019 03:09 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Just beat (now 2-3) BYU 28-21.

This BYU team feels bipolar.

Beating BYU doesn't get Toledo ranked, it just gets BYU unranked.

....just kidding, we'll still take BYU.

(10-02-2019 04:38 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(10-02-2019 02:02 AM)UCF_SystemsEng Wrote:  Why is everyone wishing this evil on Toledo's football season? Look what happened to Georgia State's season after they got "talked up" as a potential AAC member here.

I don't see anyone wishing any evil on Toledo or Georgia State. Some have simply said that such schools aren't likely to end up in the AAC, and the reasons why have been made clear - - the replacements for UConn have to meet a long list of requirements, and only a few schools qualify.

That's a simple fact, a.k.a. Aresco's statement on the subject.

granger, it’s a joke, not a literal comment. When Georgia State beat Tennessee earlier this year, there was a lengthy thread in response about adding Georgia State. Since then their season has gone down hill. So the joke is by saying we should add Toledo we are working the same voodoo on the Rockets. Get it? Try to keep up.

The AAC did extremely well with Wichita State... And b/c of that I like to believe the the future member will be just as good.

Question is who will it be

(10-02-2019 09:14 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(10-02-2019 04:38 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(10-02-2019 02:02 AM)UCF_SystemsEng Wrote:  Why is everyone wishing this evil on Toledo's football season? Look what happened to Georgia State's season after they got "talked up" as a potential AAC member here.

I don't see anyone wishing any evil on Toledo or Georgia State. Some have simply said that such schools aren't likely to end up in the AAC, and the reasons why have been made clear - - the replacements for UConn have to meet a long list of requirements, and only a few schools qualify.

That's a simple fact, a.k.a. Aresco's statement on the subject.

...it’s a joke, not a literal comment. When Georgia State beat Tennessee earlier this year, there was a lengthy thread in response about adding Georgia State. Since then their season has gone down hill. So the joke is by saying we should add Toledo we are working the same voodoo on the Rockets. Get it? Try to keep up.

Got it. Do try to keep up, but I'm spending most of my internet time following the historic debates in British Parliament and the daily developments in the potential impeachment story, stateside.

Mike Aresco has to be a good diplomat in dealing with calls and correspondence from dozens of schools all wanting in, and feeling that they deserve a spot after they win a big game or two. He has to avoid pissing people off or making gaffes with the media. We hardly hear a word from him, since he plays the cards so close to the vest.

There is also some real life pathos and drama going on here, because we're dealing - on this board - with a lot of frustration from all the schools that want an AAC membership desperately. There are literally tens of millions of dollars at stake, so it's a serious thing that some of those cats are probably pretty upset about.

There is also a serious truth - the whole media payout situation is so extremely unfair to the G4 schools that a lot of them are in a lot of pain due to the lack of funding required to maintain FBS programs.

The AAC and Aresco aren't responsible for their painful situation, but are in some ways the fulcrum of the pain that a lot of competitors & applicants for the slot are dealing with.

I wish that the conference could work out an arrangement with E$PN to increase the AAC membership up to 14 FB and MBB members, which could benefit the AAC, E$PN, and any new members, easing at least a little of the pain for those on the outside looking in.