(09-05-2019 08:09 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Let's be honest: everyone who harps on "strength of OOC schedule!" is an idiot. Hate to sound harsh but it's true.

These series are signed years and years in advance. There is no way to know or guarantee that a team you sign now is going to be good or totally suck when you actually play that series....

There is truth to that, and I argue in favor of UCF getting a shot and its claims to a NC. But, it's hard to argue that UCF thought 2018 was a top notch OOC when the schedule was set:
- South Carolina State (FCS);
- Florida Atlantic; and
- PITT

PIIT is usually a solid team, but not exactly a marquee for the OOC if you're trying to prove a point (ended the season ranked in the AP 3 times in the last 25 year). If you scheduled PITT in the early 1980s, then I understand why you were disappointed they weren't ranked when you played them, otherwise they were pretty much the team they've been for a decade. Florida Atlantic, on the other hand, has 4 winning FBS seasons in history. And an FCS opponent who hasn't won an FCS playoff game since 1982.


2017 the OOC was:
- Florida International;
- Maryland; and
- Austin Peay (added)
dropped for weather:
- Georgia Tech
- Maine

Again, Maryland is a solid opponent, but they've only ended the season ranked 4 times in the last 25 years. Florida International has never been ranked in the AP and has never cracked 10 wins. And an FCS school with three winning seasons in the last 25 years (and three seasons with zero wins). I get that the schedule was nerfed by a storm - but Maine (a better FCS opponent) would not have been salvation for the schedule, and while Georgia Tech is another quality opponent (ended 8 years AP ranked in the last 25), I don't think it changes the argument. I think it would have helped your argument with the talking heads, but not your argument that UCF is going for the hardest OOC schedule when they set it.

2016 SC State (FCS), Florida International, Maryland, and Michigan. Now Michigan usually ends the year ranked. That's a game you can schedule and if the game comes and Michigan is in a down year, you can't do anything about it. But otherwise, you hit most of these teams in the form about where one would expect.

I'm not making light of UCFs OOC schedules. It's hard for non cartel member to schedule a marquee OOC schedule, let alone one that would be unassailable to the talking heads, let alone doing so without going broke signing 3 for 1s or something, and it's debatable whether it would be wise to schedule 3 or 4 really hard OOC games at all. UCFs OOC schedule in the recent past was well designed to have at least one P5 on the schedule, and a couple of likely wins. It was smart scheduling.

But to argue that UCF thought they had a difficult OOC schedule when the deals were struck doesn't make a lot of sense. If you want to pretend UCF is trying to schedule the hardest OOC possible and just hitting all the teams when they're down, you're going to have to try harder. Then again, there are plenty of other better arguments to raise on why UCF (and the G5) is and will get screwed.

Simply put, the CFP is not putting an AAC team in the playoff. They wouldn't have put the 2016(?) Houston team in. That's just smoke screen. No G5 can ever have an SOS hard enough because they can only play 4 p5s Max ooc. Whereas P5 teams will generally have 8. They will always come up with another reason to exclude us. They said if UCF went undefeated two years in a row they would be in but changed their tune when UCF achieved that lol.

(09-05-2019 08:37 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Ucf fans are like a rash in every thread

But a awesome rash after a night of fun

(09-05-2019 09:34 AM)JesseTU Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 08:09 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Let's be honest: everyone who harps on "strength of OOC schedule!" is an idiot. Hate to sound harsh but it's true.

These series are signed years and years in advance. There is no way to know or guarantee that a team you sign now is going to be good or totally suck when you actually play that series....

There is truth to that, and I argue in favor of UCF getting a shot and its claims to a NC. But, it's hard to argue that UCF thought 2018 was a top notch OOC when the schedule was set:
- South Carolina State (FCS);
- Florida Atlantic; and
- PITT

PIIT is usually a solid team, but not exactly a marquee for the OOC if you're trying to prove a point (ended the season ranked in the AP 3 times in the last 25 year). If you scheduled PITT in the early 1980s, then I understand why you were disappointed they weren't ranked when you played them, otherwise they were pretty much the team they've been for a decade. Florida Atlantic, on the other hand, has 4 winning FBS seasons in history. And an FCS opponent who hasn't won an FCS playoff game since 1982.


2017 the OOC was:
- Florida International;
- Maryland; and
- Austin Peay (added)
dropped for weather:
- Georgia Tech
- Maine

Again, Maryland is a solid opponent, but they've only ended the season ranked 4 times in the last 25 years. Florida International has never been ranked in the AP and has never cracked 10 wins. And an FCS school with three winning seasons in the last 25 years (and three seasons with zero wins). I get that the schedule was nerfed by a storm - but Maine (a better FCS opponent) would not have been salvation for the schedule, and while Georgia Tech is another quality opponent (ended 8 years AP ranked in the last 25), I don't think it changes the argument. I think it would have helped your argument with the talking heads, but not your argument that UCF is going for the hardest OOC schedule when they set it.

2016 SC State (FCS), Florida International, Maryland, and Michigan. Now Michigan usually ends the year ranked. That's a game you can schedule and if the game comes and Michigan is in a down year, you can't do anything about it. But otherwise, you hit most of these teams in the form about where one would expect.

I'm not making light of UCFs OOC schedules. It's hard for non cartel member to schedule a marquee OOC schedule, let alone one that would be unassailable to the talking heads, let alone doing so without going broke signing 3 for 1s or something, and it's debatable whether it would be wise to schedule 3 or 4 really hard OOC games at all. UCFs OOC schedule in the recent past was well designed to have at least one P5 on the schedule, and a couple of likely wins. It was smart scheduling.

But to argue that UCF thought they had a difficult OOC schedule when the deals were struck doesn't make a lot of sense. If you want to pretend UCF is trying to schedule the hardest OOC possible and just hitting all the teams when they're down, you're going to have to try harder. Then again, there are plenty of other better arguments to raise on why UCF (and the G5) is and will get screwed.

I would much rather schedule for success instead of scheduling absurdly hard OOC every year and getting pummeled on the road consistently. The cards are already stacked against us before we step on the field (money, program history, recruiting, lopsided scheduling, etc), and we’re trying to build a fan base here.

You build a fan base with consistency and winning divisions or championships. Scheduling buy games on the road against Ohio State, Michigan, and Alabama doesn’t get you that. I like playing P5 teams, but I don’t want to sacrifice our program to fill their stadiums and likely give us a loss. Whoever is willing to come here is who we’ll play.

I do wish we would scrap our yearly FCS opponent for a third P5 team, but we can barely fill a schedule as-is.

(09-04-2019 08:03 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-04-2019 07:55 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Short answer: no team in the AAC should have "CFP" aspirations. If UCF couldn't crack tge door with undefeated seasons, ain't nobody from "g" land gonna get in that club. There will always be an excuse to leave us standing outside, looking in.

If somehow Cincinnati were to win this week (A huge IF), and then ran the table (another huge IF), they would have a better argument than any year UCF went undefeated.

Doesn't mean the committee won't find an excuse to discredit a non-P5 school, but UC would have a hell of a resume.

Especially if OSU then goes undefeated & wins the B1G. It will then be very difficult to have OSU over Cincy.

(09-05-2019 10:10 AM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  I would much rather schedule for success instead of scheduling absurdly hard OOC every year and getting pummeled on the road consistently. The cards are already stacked against us before we step on the field (money, program history, recruiting, lopsided scheduling, etc), and we’re trying to build a fan base here.

You build a fan base with consistency and winning divisions or championships. Scheduling buy games on the road against Ohio State, Michigan, and Alabama doesn’t get you that. I like playing P5 teams, but I don’t want to sacrifice our program to fill their stadiums and likely give us a loss. Whoever is willing to come here is who we’ll play.

I do wish we would scrap our yearly FCS opponent for a third P5 team, but we can barely fill a schedule as-is.

I agree with you. I much rather be a top end AAC team than Rutgers. I'm sure many UC/AAC fans would disagree with me though. I think it's easier to recruit to a winner rather than a team that has no shot. Just my opinions.

(09-05-2019 10:53 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 10:10 AM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  I would much rather schedule for success instead of scheduling absurdly hard OOC every year and getting pummeled on the road consistently. The cards are already stacked against us before we step on the field (money, program history, recruiting, lopsided scheduling, etc), and we’re trying to build a fan base here.

You build a fan base with consistency and winning divisions or championships. Scheduling buy games on the road against Ohio State, Michigan, and Alabama doesn’t get you that. I like playing P5 teams, but I don’t want to sacrifice our program to fill their stadiums and likely give us a loss. Whoever is willing to come here is who we’ll play.

I do wish we would scrap our yearly FCS opponent for a third P5 team, but we can barely fill a schedule as-is.

I agree with you. I much rather be a top end AAC team than Rutgers. I'm sure many UC/AAC fans would disagree with me though. I think it's easier to recruit to a winner rather than a team that has no shot. Just my opinions.

Indeed. And if some fluke thing like 2017 comes up where we end up on top of a statistical model that the NCAA recognizes as a championship selector, have fun with it and don’t give an inch on it.

(09-05-2019 09:34 AM)JesseTU Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 08:09 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Let's be honest: everyone who harps on "strength of OOC schedule!" is an idiot. Hate to sound harsh but it's true.

These series are signed years and years in advance. There is no way to know or guarantee that a team you sign now is going to be good or totally suck when you actually play that series....

There is truth to that, and I argue in favor of UCF getting a shot and its claims to a NC. But, it's hard to argue that UCF thought 2018 was a top notch OOC when the schedule was set:
- South Carolina State (FCS);
- Florida Atlantic; and
- PITT

PIIT is usually a solid team, but not exactly a marquee for the OOC if you're trying to prove a point (ended the season ranked in the AP 3 times in the last 25 year). If you scheduled PITT in the early 1980s, then I understand why you were disappointed they weren't ranked when you played them, otherwise they were pretty much the team they've been for a decade. Florida Atlantic, on the other hand, has 4 winning FBS seasons in history. And an FCS opponent who hasn't won an FCS playoff game since 1982.


2017 the OOC was:
- Florida International;
- Maryland; and
- Austin Peay (added)
dropped for weather:
- Georgia Tech
- Maine

Again, Maryland is a solid opponent, but they've only ended the season ranked 4 times in the last 25 years. Florida International has never been ranked in the AP and has never cracked 10 wins. And an FCS school with three winning seasons in the last 25 years (and three seasons with zero wins). I get that the schedule was nerfed by a storm - but Maine (a better FCS opponent) would not have been salvation for the schedule, and while Georgia Tech is another quality opponent (ended 8 years AP ranked in the last 25), I don't think it changes the argument. I think it would have helped your argument with the talking heads, but not your argument that UCF is going for the hardest OOC schedule when they set it.

2016 SC State (FCS), Florida International, Maryland, and Michigan. Now Michigan usually ends the year ranked. That's a game you can schedule and if the game comes and Michigan is in a down year, you can't do anything about it. But otherwise, you hit most of these teams in the form about where one would expect.

I'm not making light of UCFs OOC schedules. It's hard for non cartel member to schedule a marquee OOC schedule, let alone one that would be unassailable to the talking heads, let alone doing so without going broke signing 3 for 1s or something, and it's debatable whether it would be wise to schedule 3 or 4 really hard OOC games at all. UCFs OOC schedule in the recent past was well designed to have at least one P5 on the schedule, and a couple of likely wins. It was smart scheduling.

But to argue that UCF thought they had a difficult OOC schedule when the deals were struck doesn't make a lot of sense. If you want to pretend UCF is trying to schedule the hardest OOC possible and just hitting all the teams when they're down, you're going to have to try harder. Then again, there are plenty of other better arguments to raise on why UCF (and the G5) is and will get screwed.

I think it's really quite simple- we are willing to schedule anyone who isn't demanding some ridiculous 2-1 or treating UCF like a Sun Belt team. And let's please drop the charade as if playing FSU or anyone else not named Alabama was really going to change anything for UCF in 2017 or 2018. It wasn't. The Cartel wasn't allowing an AAC team in the Playoff no matter what - period.

But really, the AAC hurts UCF more than anything. I am not dinging other programs, but all you have to do is listen to the ESPN pundits and national writers talk about the conference. There were people actually asserting that our cancelled game vs. UNC was vitally important to our resume while totally ignoring 2x wins of Memphis, a win over Cincy, and again going perfect in AAC play. It's all totally irrelevant to them since they think the AAC is trash.

You criticize scheduling FIU. This is EXACTLY the BS mentality that a lot of "P5" programs take when refusing to schedule UCF. Or Tulane. It'd be insanely hypocritical then for UCF to flow down the logic that we're fighting against.

UCF is 18-0 in AAC play over 2 years and you guys are nitpicking over OOC schedules. That should tell you all you need to know.

Hope TU wins even if UCF would have to play a great TU team and we might lose. Sadly the road to Cotton will need probably need all wins to keep Boise out. FSU is a dumpster fire, yet Boise is considered good bc they won. Crazy

(09-05-2019 12:39 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  Hope TU wins even if UCF would have to play a great TU team and we might lose. Sadly the road to Cotton will need probably need all wins to keep Boise out. FSU is a dumpster fire, yet Boise is considered good bc they won. Crazy

I’ll be at the Tulane game, hopefully they keep up the great work from Week 1 and it can be a big game. I’ve only been to a dozen or so college stadiums, but Yulman is one of my favorites.

(09-05-2019 11:36 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  You criticize scheduling FIU. This is EXACTLY the BS mentality that a lot of "P5" programs take when refusing to schedule UCF. Or Tulane. It'd be insanely hypocritical then for UCF to flow down the logic that we're fighting against.

UCF is 18-0 in AAC play over 2 years and you guys are nitpicking over OOC schedules. That should tell you all you need to know.

I didn't criticize UCFs schedule, I said it was a wise move and I think they should have gotten into the playoffs. I was very clear that I was making light of the idea that UCF thought a lot of those games would be hard out of conference games when they were scheduled. You said:

The Knight Time Wrote:There is no way to know or guarantee that a team you sign now is going to be good or totally suck when you actually play that series....

UCF didn't know the FCS teams, FAU, or FIU was going to detract from the SOS when they made the deals? That's a lame argument. You should stop making it.

The Knight Time Wrote:But really, the AAC hurts UCF more than anything. I am not dinging other programs, but all you have to do is listen to the ESPN pundits and national writers talk about the conference. ....

You're not dinging the other programs, you're just saying they are all holding UCF back. Super clear distinction, thanks for making sure you were not dinging any AAC programs.

Kudos on being really good lately. But 15 years ago UCF was 0-11 in the MAC. 4 years ago it was 0-12 in the AAC. Your 3-7 in conference play against Tulsa. I've always enjoyed UCF and UCF fans, but two (2) years of success and some UCF fans are really going all in. Keep some perspective.

(09-04-2019 06:33 AM)Greenwavedrownsacat Wrote:  Tulane came in with 4 votes in the Coaches poll and play at Auburn this week. . . If a miracle happens and Tulane pulls the upset (id put it at 10%, which is about where espns fpi has it), Memphis & UCF should be pretty excited about another top 25 team on their schedule.

Roll wave and best of luck to cinci this week.

As nice as that sounds, you may recall that both Memphis (2x) and USF were ranked when they played UCF, but those did not really count for quality wins for UCF. Because they were not ranked P5 teams they were automatically discounted. Unless an AAC team plays Clemson, Alabama and Oklahoma in the same season, they are all ranked, they all then go on to win the majority of their games and the AAC team enters the season ranked following a top 10 season. Then and only then will we get some consideration. In other words in impossible world.

Where is the Tulane section? Visiting fans are usually in the north east ish corner. Any
Tulanians buy tickets through the school?


(We love you ucf, yall are wonderful, I dont need to know about your new pisser in section g. I'm sure it's spectacular)

On our boards we have a section (s) official tailgate and some former tulane players are from the area and putting on some tailgates and have a section(s) in the auburn area. Win or lose as long as its not a USF repeat (rooting for your redemption this week!) i cant wait for Saturday.

We have 2 goals at Tulane- to reinvigorate our fan base while taking back casual fans from new orleans & to meet LSU again in a bowl or OOC. We have a long time suffering (and dwindling) fan base. Lets take the first step forward and also make the AAC proud.

Roll Wave

Waving to the Wave to win.

(09-04-2019 06:33 AM)Greenwavedrownsacat Wrote:  Tulane came in with 4 votes in the Coaches poll and play at Auburn this week. . . If a miracle happens and Tulane pulls the upset (id put it at 10%, which is about where espns fpi has it), Memphis & UCF should be pretty excited about another top 25 team on their schedule.

Roll wave and best of luck to cinci this week.

Kick butt Tulane. Just could not pick you in the picks thread.

(09-05-2019 03:40 PM)JesseTU Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 11:36 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  You criticize scheduling FIU. This is EXACTLY the BS mentality that a lot of "P5" programs take when refusing to schedule UCF. Or Tulane. It'd be insanely hypocritical then for UCF to flow down the logic that we're fighting against.

UCF is 18-0 in AAC play over 2 years and you guys are nitpicking over OOC schedules. That should tell you all you need to know.

I didn't criticize UCFs schedule, I said it was a wise move and I think they should have gotten into the playoffs. I was very clear that I was making light of the idea that UCF thought a lot of those games would be hard out of conference games when they were scheduled. You said:

The Knight Time Wrote:There is no way to know or guarantee that a team you sign now is going to be good or totally suck when you actually play that series....

UCF didn't know the FCS teams, FAU, or FIU was going to detract from the SOS when they made the deals? That's a lame argument. You should stop making it.

The Knight Time Wrote:But really, the AAC hurts UCF more than anything. I am not dinging other programs, but all you have to do is listen to the ESPN pundits and national writers talk about the conference. ....

You're not dinging the other programs, you're just saying they are all holding UCF back. Super clear distinction, thanks for making sure you were not dinging any AAC programs.

Kudos on being really good lately. But 15 years ago UCF was 0-11 in the MAC. 4 years ago it was 0-12 in the AAC. Your 3-7 in conference play against Tulsa. I've always enjoyed UCF and UCF fans, but two (2) years of success and some UCF fans are really going all in. Keep some perspective.

When we scheduled UNC we were coming off an 0-12 season and UNC had just completed an 11-1 regular season followed by a close loss in the ACC CCG to Clemson. We've scheduled FAU FIU because they are FBS, local, and are among the very few teams willing to do Home and Homes with us that are located in prime recruiting areas for us and/or will help drive fan interest/ticket sales. Speaking just for myself, I enjoy UCF competing against the football programs in the AAC. It's a good football conference, especially now that the riff-raff that are unable and/or unwilling to do what it takes to be competitive are showing themselves the door.

I am very much aware which AAC team is the last one to record a victory over UCF, and the only one to ever beat UCF in a CCG.