(09-05-2019 04:35 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  It's not legit till with see an updated stadium rendering.

A lot of students got turned away for the FAMU game. Considering the student fee they pay, there had to be some pressure to make a comment after the flood of videos and tweets about the line came in. He turned a awkward situation to good press with an off-handed comment about potentially researching expansion of the stadium.

We sold out our season tickets for 1 season. That's not a trend, it's an outlier.

There are plenty of P5 stadiums in the 50k capacity range. We don't need a full 2nd level, 70k stadium.

(The only exception is if expansion raises up from the dead and the Big12 has a change of heart, then go ahead get the big daddy 70k stadium. But that's pretty unlikely in the current landscape)

I'd add ~7500 (no more than 10k) seats through an upper deck on the West side. If the structure allows, I'd have it overhang the 200 seats partially to provide further shade and keep the upper deck reasonably close to the field. The original renderings of an expansion from a decade ago showed an upper deck that was basically just a continuation of the existing levels and would be getting further and further from the field. It would be nosebleed.

My ideal would be to do a tower expansion to add more suites since there's a wait list and improve the media facilities, then build the upper deck off of it covering the 200s. It'd provide deck space for the tower suites to have some open air seating and add in the needed seats for general expansion. That would bring us comfortably into P5 stadium size territory and increase the premium revenue.

(09-05-2019 04:46 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 04:35 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  It's not legit till with see an updated stadium rendering.

A lot of students got turned away for the FAMU game. Considering the student fee they pay, there had to be some pressure to make a comment after the flood of videos and tweets about the line came in. He turned a awkward situation to good press with an off-handed comment about potentially researching expansion of the stadium.

We sold out our season tickets for 1 season. That's not a trend, it's an outlier.

There are plenty of P5 stadiums in the 50k capacity range. We don't need a full 2nd level, 70k stadium.

(The only exception is if expansion raises up from the dead and the Big12 has a change of heart, then go ahead get the big daddy 70k stadium. But that's pretty unlikely in the current landscape)

I'd add ~7500 (no more than 10k) seats through an upper deck on the West side. If the structure allows, I'd have it overhang the 200 seats partially to provide further shade and keep the upper deck reasonably close to the field. The original renderings of an expansion from a decade ago showed an upper deck that was basically just a continuation of the existing levels and would be getting further and further from the field. It would be nosebleed.

My ideal would be to do a tower expansion to add more suites since there's a wait list and improve the media facilities, then build the upper deck off of it covering the 200s. It'd provide deck space for the tower suites to have some open air seating and add in the needed seats for general expansion. That would bring us comfortably into P5 stadium size territory and increase the premium revenue.

Not sure I understand your suggestion. There are plans to extend the tower in the future each direction toward the end zones. You want to build a third deck on TOP of it???

(09-05-2019 09:49 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 04:46 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 04:35 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  It's not legit till with see an updated stadium rendering.

A lot of students got turned away for the FAMU game. Considering the student fee they pay, there had to be some pressure to make a comment after the flood of videos and tweets about the line came in. He turned a awkward situation to good press with an off-handed comment about potentially researching expansion of the stadium.

We sold out our season tickets for 1 season. That's not a trend, it's an outlier.

There are plenty of P5 stadiums in the 50k capacity range. We don't need a full 2nd level, 70k stadium.

(The only exception is if expansion raises up from the dead and the Big12 has a change of heart, then go ahead get the big daddy 70k stadium. But that's pretty unlikely in the current landscape)

I'd add ~7500 (no more than 10k) seats through an upper deck on the West side. If the structure allows, I'd have it overhang the 200 seats partially to provide further shade and keep the upper deck reasonably close to the field. The original renderings of an expansion from a decade ago showed an upper deck that was basically just a continuation of the existing levels and would be getting further and further from the field. It would be nosebleed.

My ideal would be to do a tower expansion to add more suites since there's a wait list and improve the media facilities, then build the upper deck off of it covering the 200s. It'd provide deck space for the tower suites to have some open air seating and add in the needed seats for general expansion. That would bring us comfortably into P5 stadium size territory and increase the premium revenue.

Not sure I understand your suggestion. There are plans to extend the tower in the future each direction toward the end zones. You want to build a third deck on TOP of it???

I think he means something similar to how TDECU (Houston) is designed, but I'm not sure we could do that with our stadium.

It sure would be an improvement. I was able to take my wife with COPD to TDECU a few years back with a section that did not infringe on the other fans. It was convenient for us in the fact that it was separate from the other seats. I went to the bounce house and that was not available. I appreciate the fact that UCF has an OOC, but improvements will be made, even if it takes time to do it.

(09-04-2019 02:40 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  

(09-03-2019 04:38 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  Meanwhile, Danny White brought in more $$ to his athletic department this week and maybe some of these new funds will go toward the stadium expansion study:

I'd be embarrassed if Temple's logo appeared on an advertisement for that piece of **** company. It's bad enough they sell it at games. Thankfully I think Temple knows how hated Yuengling is by so many people in Philly, I don't think they'd do something so dumb.

They can keep their anti-union right-to-work bull**** in Florida where they've been pushing the brand for years. Yuengling is one of Pennsylvania's biggest embarrassments. 1 and 1A with fracking, Penn State, and the MOVE bombing.

I don't know if UCF's deal with Yuengling will turn out to be a great one or not, but don't feed me some b.s. about how great all unions are. My wife grew up in a town in which unions have been driving away businesses for decades. I'm sure some unions are fine, but others are making it harder to run a business. And since you brought up fracking, show us all how to make wind and solar power more affordable AND produce sufficient energy on demand to keep everything running, then we'll talk.

(09-06-2019 12:16 AM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 09:49 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 04:46 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 04:35 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  It's not legit till with see an updated stadium rendering.

A lot of students got turned away for the FAMU game. Considering the student fee they pay, there had to be some pressure to make a comment after the flood of videos and tweets about the line came in. He turned a awkward situation to good press with an off-handed comment about potentially researching expansion of the stadium.

We sold out our season tickets for 1 season. That's not a trend, it's an outlier.

There are plenty of P5 stadiums in the 50k capacity range. We don't need a full 2nd level, 70k stadium.

(The only exception is if expansion raises up from the dead and the Big12 has a change of heart, then go ahead get the big daddy 70k stadium. But that's pretty unlikely in the current landscape)

I'd add ~7500 (no more than 10k) seats through an upper deck on the West side. If the structure allows, I'd have it overhang the 200 seats partially to provide further shade and keep the upper deck reasonably close to the field. The original renderings of an expansion from a decade ago showed an upper deck that was basically just a continuation of the existing levels and would be getting further and further from the field. It would be nosebleed.

My ideal would be to do a tower expansion to add more suites since there's a wait list and improve the media facilities, then build the upper deck off of it covering the 200s. It'd provide deck space for the tower suites to have some open air seating and add in the needed seats for general expansion. That would bring us comfortably into P5 stadium size territory and increase the premium revenue.

Not sure I understand your suggestion. There are plans to extend the tower in the future each direction toward the end zones. You want to build a third deck on TOP of it???

I think he means something similar to how TDECU (Houston) is designed, but I'm not sure we could do that with our stadium.

UCF would have to tear up half the home side of the stadium to create a design like Houston. Unfortunately, we are kind of limited in what we can do based on what has already been built.

Only real cost effective option for expanded stadium seating is the third deck on the east side like the most recent expansion possibility posted by UCF. Then you take a couple sections adjacent to the current student sections in the south end zone and turn them into student sections, which increases the student section by about 700 - 950 per section. The ticket holders being displaced can be moved to the new expanded seating on the sideline.

(09-05-2019 04:35 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  It's not legit till with see an updated stadium rendering.

A lot of students got turned away for the FAMU game. Considering the student fee they pay, there had to be some pressure to make a comment after the flood of videos and tweets about the line came in. He turned a awkward situation to good press with an off-handed comment about potentially researching expansion of the stadium.

We sold out our season tickets for 1 season. That's not a trend, it's an outlier.

There are plenty of P5 stadiums in the 50k capacity range. We don't need a full 2nd level, 70k stadium.

(The only exception is if expansion raises up from the dead and the Big12 has a change of heart, then go ahead get the big daddy 70k stadium. But that's pretty unlikely in the current landscape)

Long term UCF will grow into higher attendance than this. However it’s still a VERY young Fanbase. When a 45 year old was maybe in school to see you in FBS and a 37 year old might not remember you in CUSA as an undergrad there is a lot more natural growth to expect given how big enrollment is

(09-03-2019 05:20 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(09-03-2019 05:03 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(09-03-2019 04:45 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I mean, those Erector Set kits can't be too expensive......

You're pretty lucky to be in the AAC with your tiny stadium and using extra tv funds to your general fund.

2/10

Weak sauce and a reference to your own schools lack of accounting skills.

Come back after the state finishes investigating your shady appropriations of tax payer money and try again.




In the mean time I think UCF's approach to an ocs has worked well for them.

Ooh, ooh! Can I give it a go?

How about this: 100-6. Also, there is no rivalry between Houston and Tulsa. We don't care enough. #kthxbai (Sorry. I normally don't troll. lol)

Anyway, I hope UCF is able to make the necessary improvements to their stadium so they can maintain a nice game day atmosphere. That place is one of the toughest places to play in the AAC, much less all of college football. (Well, I think so, anyway.)

(09-06-2019 12:16 AM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 09:49 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 04:46 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 04:35 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  It's not legit till with see an updated stadium rendering.

A lot of students got turned away for the FAMU game. Considering the student fee they pay, there had to be some pressure to make a comment after the flood of videos and tweets about the line came in. He turned a awkward situation to good press with an off-handed comment about potentially researching expansion of the stadium.

We sold out our season tickets for 1 season. That's not a trend, it's an outlier.

There are plenty of P5 stadiums in the 50k capacity range. We don't need a full 2nd level, 70k stadium.

(The only exception is if expansion raises up from the dead and the Big12 has a change of heart, then go ahead get the big daddy 70k stadium. But that's pretty unlikely in the current landscape)

I'd add ~7500 (no more than 10k) seats through an upper deck on the West side. If the structure allows, I'd have it overhang the 200 seats partially to provide further shade and keep the upper deck reasonably close to the field. The original renderings of an expansion from a decade ago showed an upper deck that was basically just a continuation of the existing levels and would be getting further and further from the field. It would be nosebleed.

My ideal would be to do a tower expansion to add more suites since there's a wait list and improve the media facilities, then build the upper deck off of it covering the 200s. It'd provide deck space for the tower suites to have some open air seating and add in the needed seats for general expansion. That would bring us comfortably into P5 stadium size territory and increase the premium revenue.

Not sure I understand your suggestion. There are plans to extend the tower in the future each direction toward the end zones. You want to build a third deck on TOP of it???

I think he means something similar to how TDECU (Houston) is designed, but I'm not sure we could do that with our stadium.

Thanks. TDECU stadium really is pretty effin' rad. I love our stadium. (Of course, y'all have a great atmosphere at your stadium so you still win in that department. We're trying to match y'all, but it's gonna take some time. I'm realistic enough to say that.)

I experimented with a Yuengling Summer brew at last weekend's tailgate. I personally love Yuengling.

I love lamp, I love lamp.

(09-06-2019 09:54 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Thanks. TDECU stadium really is pretty effin' rad. I love our stadium. (Of course, y'all have a great atmosphere at your stadium so you still win in that department. We're trying to match y'all, but it's gonna take some time. I'm realistic enough to say that.)

I think I mentioned it in another thread, but I really like your stadium with the asymmetrical design and creative ways to build upwards (deck on top of the box on one side, three layers of decks on the other side). It always struck me as looking bigger than the number of seats it holds.

(09-06-2019 10:42 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 09:54 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Thanks. TDECU stadium really is pretty effin' rad. I love our stadium. (Of course, y'all have a great atmosphere at your stadium so you still win in that department. We're trying to match y'all, but it's gonna take some time. I'm realistic enough to say that.)

I think I mentioned it in another thread, but I really like your stadium with the asymmetrical design and creative ways to build upwards (deck on top of the box on one side, three layers of decks on the other side). It always struck me as looking bigger than the number of seats it holds.

Thank you. We also have room to expand if and when we need to. Of course, y'all have better fan support at yours right now so you get the nod for better game day atmosphere. (Sorry, fellow Coogs, but it's the truth.)

I used to work for UH. TDECU is an awesome and smartly designed stadium. Got to get an in-depth tour of it a couple times. Tons of avenues of easy and relatively inexpensive expansion when that time comes.

UCF Spectrum was and is critical for what it is. And smart people have found avenues for premium expansion so far, but Roth Tower proves it did not have a solid expansion plan. Tens of millions to expand that tower to the goal lines despite the demand really kneecaps the potential of the overall stadium.

(09-07-2019 12:53 AM)Wooglin157 Wrote:  UCF Spectrum was and is critical for what it is. And smart people have found avenues for premium expansion so far, but Roth Tower proves it did not have a solid expansion plan. Tens of millions to expand that tower to the goal lines despite the demand really kneecaps the potential of the overall stadium.

Ah...Spectrum Stadium was designed back when UCF was playing Football in the MAC and Basketball in the A-SUN....and at the same time, UCF was designing their 10,000 seat basketball arena too.

UCF was not going to build an end line to end line press box back when UCF didn't have barely much outside money coming into the program....and what UCF ended up doing...Building a then 45,301 seat football stadium AND a 10,000 seat basketball arena AT THE SAME TIME (facilities opened just 6 days apart), that is still seen as a MIRACLE for a program that just had moved out of the MAC and into CUSA at the time.

Meanwhile...just outside the Roth Tower...Danny White built the new Loge level, first on the SW side and this year, on the NW side...and all of those premium shaded seats sold out ASAP!

Expanding the Tower is the most important add. Another 5 to 8k seats on the other side would be plenty for now. It is important that the stadium not out grow the demand, like said earlier in this thread, you expand student section by 1500 to 2000, and you will have another 3 to 6k seats to sell. Total seating will be in the low 50's which is enough for now. and if current national attendance trends continue, that may be all that is ever needed.

(09-07-2019 08:19 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Expanding the Tower is the most important add. Another 5 to 8k seats on the other side would be plenty for now. It is important that the stadium not out grow the demand, like said earlier in this thread, you expand student section by 1500 to 2000, and you will have another 3 to 6k seats to sell. Total seating will be in the low 50's which is enough for now. and if current national attendance trends continue, that may be all that is ever needed.

I've said before, expanding seating will do two things.

Move general seating away from the end zone, making the ticket bought seats more valuable without really increasing supply

Expand student and visitor seating into the now vacant end zone seating.

That should be more than enough business case

(09-06-2019 09:48 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(09-03-2019 05:20 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(09-03-2019 05:03 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(09-03-2019 04:45 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I mean, those Erector Set kits can't be too expensive......

You're pretty lucky to be in the AAC with your tiny stadium and using extra tv funds to your general fund.

2/10

Weak sauce and a reference to your own schools lack of accounting skills.

Come back after the state finishes investigating your shady appropriations of tax payer money and try again.




In the mean time I think UCF's approach to an ocs has worked well for them.

Ooh, ooh! Can I give it a go?

How about this: 100-6. Also, there is no rivalry between Houston and Tulsa. We don't care enough. #kthxbai (Sorry. I normally don't troll. lol)

Anyway, I hope UCF is able to make the necessary improvements to their stadium so they can maintain a nice game day atmosphere. That place is one of the toughest places to play in the AAC, much less all of college football. (Well, I think so, anyway.)

Meh....solid 7/10 a passing grade. 100-6 is a coog classic, backhanded stab at a personal peeve of mine with a nice general insult included. Corny hashtag, but in context solid.

Maybe Shere or BC#1 can give you a few sly tricks to add to the repertoire, you got some potential. HuskyU is a master but the subtle set ups and big gun housewife gifs might be a little advanced for you right now.

Anyway, generally agree with your bottom comment and think that Temple and USF should try to follow the UCF, Houston model of a modifiable stadium they can grow with to fit their needs.

(09-07-2019 12:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 09:48 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(09-03-2019 05:20 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(09-03-2019 05:03 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(09-03-2019 04:45 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I mean, those Erector Set kits can't be too expensive......

You're pretty lucky to be in the AAC with your tiny stadium and using extra tv funds to your general fund.

2/10

Weak sauce and a reference to your own schools lack of accounting skills.

Come back after the state finishes investigating your shady appropriations of tax payer money and try again.




In the mean time I think UCF's approach to an ocs has worked well for them.

Ooh, ooh! Can I give it a go?

How about this: 100-6. Also, there is no rivalry between Houston and Tulsa. We don't care enough. #kthxbai (Sorry. I normally don't troll. lol)

Anyway, I hope UCF is able to make the necessary improvements to their stadium so they can maintain a nice game day atmosphere. That place is one of the toughest places to play in the AAC, much less all of college football. (Well, I think so, anyway.)

Meh....solid 7/10 a passing grade. 100-6 is a coog classic, backhanded stab at a personal peeve of mine with a nice general insult included. Corny hashtag, but in context solid.

Maybe Shere or BC#1 can give you a few sly tricks to add to the repertoire, you got some potential. HuskyU is a master but the subtle set ups and big gun housewife gifs might be a little advanced for you right now.

Anyway, generally agree with your bottom comment and think that Temple and USF should try to follow the UCF, Houston model of a modifiable stadium they can grow with to fit their needs.

Yeah, I don't normally troll people. I just give honest assessments.

Personally, I think we nailed it regarding the design and structure of TDECU Stadium. Spectrum Stadium, on the other hand, is a great place to watch college football. UCF's fan support is much better, but we'll get there as long as we can win consistently again.

And frankly, I think y'all could benefit from the same kind of design, too. It's not like your program is Rice or anything. Y'all just need some consistency like we do.