(08-03-2019 07:21 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 07:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 06:01 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 05:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 08:07 AM)pesik Wrote:  top to bottom the aac bowls are drastically better its not even close

but the los angeles bowl could be better than any bowl we have ..
the pac 12 hasnt released its bowl lineup yet.. but it is rumored to have a top 4 pac 12 team in it (outside of the playoffs) , i know this because a lot of pac 12 fans were complaining about it on the interwebs..which would be the best p5 opponent in p5 /g5 bowl.
the tier hasnt been confirmed though

in the bowl presser the pac 12 said it was important to have a bowl game in their biggest market..and its is noted none of the other p5 wanted in, so the mwc was the beneficiary of that

If thats the case, they would have a far better bowl than anything we have. The highest selections from a P5 we will face are either the Military Bowl or Fenway Bowls. Those bowls each feature a #7-9 selection from the ACC. A #4 P5 selection pretty much blows that away and would qualify as a "anchor bowl" in my humble opinion. Getting the #4 P5 selection is in a range that is very similar to the selection level of a Liberty/Belk/Texas Bowl type game (those games get #3-#5 P5 selections). If Aresco had landed anything like that I would have said he darned near accomplished the impossible (and it would not be hyperbole). That said, Im very skeptical that the MW is getting a selection that high---basically because I think that's darn near impossible. Kudos to the MW if they prove me wrong. Getting a #4 pick would be a huge accomplishment if true.

Beyond that, having most of their bowls in foot print is a win as well. Only the ESPN Events bowl would potentially be out of footprint.

Totally false, and you apparently didn't pay attention to the ACC bowl announcement. The ACC did away with this "7-9" bowl grouping. There is no hierarchy among ACC bowls anymore. Now, in reality, the Military and Boston bowls will likely not receive the top ACC teams, however, nothing is guaranteed as there is NO bowl order for ANY ACC bowls anymore. Period. Read their bowl announcements.

If I am wrong, refute it with a source. Not just how you feel things will play out, or your opinion. Provide a source that these bowls are 7-9. Because I can provide several that the ACC did away with bowl order.

Apparently I didnt. You are correct. Thanks for pointing that out. So, here is the only guidance the ACC Bowl announcement gives---

The ACC and its bowl partners will make team selections based on several factors, including geographic proximity, avoiding repeat appearances and matchups, and regular-season won-loss records.

http://theacc.com/news/2019/7/11/footbal...20-25.aspx

That said, my opinion is we are extremely likely to see ACC vs P5 games getting priority over ACC vs G5 games. They have 7 of those. So, we'd have to jump in front of 3 to 4 of the Belk, Camping World, Sun Bowl, Pinstripe, Outback, Holiday, and Gator to get a #4 pick. While the ACC announcement does not specifically preclude something as high as a #4 pick for the AAC opponent---I suspect its not likely to happen much if ever. I'll also add---I dont think the MW is getting a Pac12 #4 either.

Correct, I don't think we'll see a high pick from ACC either, just pointing out that they don't have a true bowl pecking order.

I don’t necessarily say it is happening just that is it plausible. If a scenario occurred where say Boise was undefeated and the American champ was say 12-1 and Boise was picked for the playoff they might be willing to float a higher team for a strong matchup. I think what is very clear is ESPN and the bowls are going for increased flexibility which will hopefully result in some better games.

(08-03-2019 07:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 06:01 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 05:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 08:07 AM)pesik Wrote:  top to bottom the aac bowls are drastically better its not even close

but the los angeles bowl could be better than any bowl we have ..
the pac 12 hasnt released its bowl lineup yet.. but it is rumored to have a top 4 pac 12 team in it (outside of the playoffs) , i know this because a lot of pac 12 fans were complaining about it on the interwebs..which would be the best p5 opponent in p5 /g5 bowl.
the tier hasnt been confirmed though

in the bowl presser the pac 12 said it was important to have a bowl game in their biggest market..and its is noted none of the other p5 wanted in, so the mwc was the beneficiary of that

If thats the case, they would have a far better bowl than anything we have. The highest selections from a P5 we will face are either the Military Bowl or Fenway Bowls. Those bowls each feature a #7-9 selection from the ACC. A #4 P5 selection pretty much blows that away and would qualify as a "anchor bowl" in my humble opinion. Getting the #4 P5 selection is in a range that is very similar to the selection level of a Liberty/Belk/Texas Bowl type game (those games get #3-#5 P5 selections). If Aresco had landed anything like that I would have said he darned near accomplished the impossible (and it would not be hyperbole). That said, Im very skeptical that the MW is getting a selection that high---basically because I think that's darn near impossible. Kudos to the MW if they prove me wrong. Getting a #4 pick would be a huge accomplishment if true.

Beyond that, having most of their bowls in foot print is a win as well. Only the ESPN Events bowl would potentially be out of footprint.

Totally false, and you apparently didn't pay attention to the ACC bowl announcement. The ACC did away with this "7-9" bowl grouping. There is no hierarchy among ACC bowls anymore. Now, in reality, the Military and Boston bowls will likely not receive the top ACC teams, however, nothing is guaranteed as there is NO bowl order for ANY ACC bowls anymore. Period. Read their bowl announcements.

If I am wrong, refute it with a source. Not just how you feel things will play out, or your opinion. Provide a source that these bowls are 7-9. Because I can provide several that the ACC did away with bowl order.

Apparently I didnt. You are correct. Thanks for pointing that out. So, here is the only guidance the ACC Bowl announcement gives---

The ACC and its bowl partners will make team selections based on several factors, including geographic proximity, avoiding repeat appearances and matchups, and regular-season won-loss records.

http://theacc.com/news/2019/7/11/footbal...20-25.aspx

That said, my opinion is we are extremely likely to see ACC vs P5 games getting priority over ACC vs G5 games. They have 7 of those. So, we'd have to jump in front of 3 to 4 of the Belk, Camping World, Sun Bowl, Pinstripe, Outback, Holiday, and Gator to get a #4 pick. While the ACC announcement does not specifically preclude something as high as a #4 pick for the AAC opponent---I suspect its not likely to happen much if ever. I'll also add---I dont think the MW is getting a Pac12 #4 either.

Getting the #4 pick from the PAC will depend on when the LA Bowl will be played and what the payout is. Since it will be played in the new Rams-Chargers stadium, I think the payout will be pretty decent and a post-Christmas date. The commissioner did state that the new bowl cycle will be a financial benefit to the MW so I think it hinting at the estimate payout for the new LA bowl.
Either way, even though we are losing the LV bowl, we still got a big upgrade from Sam Boyd stadium and probably even in a nicer stadium.

Also, the Arizona Bowl got upgraded also in the new cycle. It looks like it will be our #2/3 vs the MAC #1/2. Depending on Cheez It Bowl or other TBA backup we'll have....probably the Redbox bowl.
I knew that bowl will be moving up the pecking order with the date and the way the AZ Bowl treats the teams and puts them up in nice resorts. Coaches were stating how they felt like they were at a BCS bowl with the treatment they were given. Even though CUSA and the SB conference tend to complain about the distance, I think the MAC will be very supportive being a NYE bowl with a warm destination and against a good MW team.
The other bowls are just throwaways basically to send a bowl eligible team somewhere. Really no complaints given the geographical position we are in.

(08-03-2019 08:18 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 07:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 06:01 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 05:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-25-2019 08:07 AM)pesik Wrote:  top to bottom the aac bowls are drastically better its not even close

but the los angeles bowl could be better than any bowl we have ..
the pac 12 hasnt released its bowl lineup yet.. but it is rumored to have a top 4 pac 12 team in it (outside of the playoffs) , i know this because a lot of pac 12 fans were complaining about it on the interwebs..which would be the best p5 opponent in p5 /g5 bowl.
the tier hasnt been confirmed though

in the bowl presser the pac 12 said it was important to have a bowl game in their biggest market..and its is noted none of the other p5 wanted in, so the mwc was the beneficiary of that

If thats the case, they would have a far better bowl than anything we have. The highest selections from a P5 we will face are either the Military Bowl or Fenway Bowls. Those bowls each feature a #7-9 selection from the ACC. A #4 P5 selection pretty much blows that away and would qualify as a "anchor bowl" in my humble opinion. Getting the #4 P5 selection is in a range that is very similar to the selection level of a Liberty/Belk/Texas Bowl type game (those games get #3-#5 P5 selections). If Aresco had landed anything like that I would have said he darned near accomplished the impossible (and it would not be hyperbole). That said, Im very skeptical that the MW is getting a selection that high---basically because I think that's darn near impossible. Kudos to the MW if they prove me wrong. Getting a #4 pick would be a huge accomplishment if true.

Beyond that, having most of their bowls in foot print is a win as well. Only the ESPN Events bowl would potentially be out of footprint.

Totally false, and you apparently didn't pay attention to the ACC bowl announcement. The ACC did away with this "7-9" bowl grouping. There is no hierarchy among ACC bowls anymore. Now, in reality, the Military and Boston bowls will likely not receive the top ACC teams, however, nothing is guaranteed as there is NO bowl order for ANY ACC bowls anymore. Period. Read their bowl announcements.

If I am wrong, refute it with a source. Not just how you feel things will play out, or your opinion. Provide a source that these bowls are 7-9. Because I can provide several that the ACC did away with bowl order.

Apparently I didnt. You are correct. Thanks for pointing that out. So, here is the only guidance the ACC Bowl announcement gives---

The ACC and its bowl partners will make team selections based on several factors, including geographic proximity, avoiding repeat appearances and matchups, and regular-season won-loss records.

http://theacc.com/news/2019/7/11/footbal...20-25.aspx

That said, my opinion is we are extremely likely to see ACC vs P5 games getting priority over ACC vs G5 games. They have 7 of those. So, we'd have to jump in front of 3 to 4 of the Belk, Camping World, Sun Bowl, Pinstripe, Outback, Holiday, and Gator to get a #4 pick. While the ACC announcement does not specifically preclude something as high as a #4 pick for the AAC opponent---I suspect its not likely to happen much if ever. I'll also add---I dont think the MW is getting a Pac12 #4 either.

Getting the #4 pick from the PAC will depend on when the LA Bowl will be played and what the payout is. Since it will be played in the new Rams-Chargers stadium, I think the payout will be pretty decent and a post-Christmas date. The commissioner did state that the new bowl cycle will be a financial benefit to the MW so I think it hinting at the estimate payout for the new LA bowl.
Either way, even though we are losing the LV bowl, we still got a big upgrade from Sam Boyd stadium and probably even in a nicer stadium.

Also, the Arizona Bowl got upgraded also in the new cycle. It looks like it will be our #2/3 vs the MAC #1/2. Depending on Cheez It Bowl or other TBA backup we'll have....probably the Redbox bowl.
I knew that bowl will be moving up the pecking order with the date and the way the AZ Bowl treats the teams and puts them up in nice resorts. Coaches were stating how they felt like they were at a BCS bowl with the treatment they were given. Even though CUSA and the SB conference tend to complain about the distance, I think the MAC will be very supportive being a NYE bowl with a warm destination and against a good MW team.
The other bowls are just throwaways basically to send a bowl eligible team somewhere. Really no complaints given the geographical position we are in.

Perhaps. I still am skeptical of a Pac12 #4 in LA---But if you guys get it---that would be a very impressive accomplishment by Thompson.

But will we see another MW on MW violence bowl again?

(08-03-2019 08:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 08:18 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 07:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 06:01 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 05:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  If thats the case, they would have a far better bowl than anything we have. The highest selections from a P5 we will face are either the Military Bowl or Fenway Bowls. Those bowls each feature a #7-9 selection from the ACC. A #4 P5 selection pretty much blows that away and would qualify as a "anchor bowl" in my humble opinion. Getting the #4 P5 selection is in a range that is very similar to the selection level of a Liberty/Belk/Texas Bowl type game (those games get #3-#5 P5 selections). If Aresco had landed anything like that I would have said he darned near accomplished the impossible (and it would not be hyperbole). That said, Im very skeptical that the MW is getting a selection that high---basically because I think that's darn near impossible. Kudos to the MW if they prove me wrong. Getting a #4 pick would be a huge accomplishment if true.

Beyond that, having most of their bowls in foot print is a win as well. Only the ESPN Events bowl would potentially be out of footprint.

Totally false, and you apparently didn't pay attention to the ACC bowl announcement. The ACC did away with this "7-9" bowl grouping. There is no hierarchy among ACC bowls anymore. Now, in reality, the Military and Boston bowls will likely not receive the top ACC teams, however, nothing is guaranteed as there is NO bowl order for ANY ACC bowls anymore. Period. Read their bowl announcements.

If I am wrong, refute it with a source. Not just how you feel things will play out, or your opinion. Provide a source that these bowls are 7-9. Because I can provide several that the ACC did away with bowl order.

Apparently I didnt. You are correct. Thanks for pointing that out. So, here is the only guidance the ACC Bowl announcement gives---

The ACC and its bowl partners will make team selections based on several factors, including geographic proximity, avoiding repeat appearances and matchups, and regular-season won-loss records.

http://theacc.com/news/2019/7/11/footbal...20-25.aspx

That said, my opinion is we are extremely likely to see ACC vs P5 games getting priority over ACC vs G5 games. They have 7 of those. So, we'd have to jump in front of 3 to 4 of the Belk, Camping World, Sun Bowl, Pinstripe, Outback, Holiday, and Gator to get a #4 pick. While the ACC announcement does not specifically preclude something as high as a #4 pick for the AAC opponent---I suspect its not likely to happen much if ever. I'll also add---I dont think the MW is getting a Pac12 #4 either.

Getting the #4 pick from the PAC will depend on when the LA Bowl will be played and what the payout is. Since it will be played in the new Rams-Chargers stadium, I think the payout will be pretty decent and a post-Christmas date. The commissioner did state that the new bowl cycle will be a financial benefit to the MW so I think it hinting at the estimate payout for the new LA bowl.
Either way, even though we are losing the LV bowl, we still got a big upgrade from Sam Boyd stadium and probably even in a nicer stadium.

Also, the Arizona Bowl got upgraded also in the new cycle. It looks like it will be our #2/3 vs the MAC #1/2. Depending on Cheez It Bowl or other TBA backup we'll have....probably the Redbox bowl.
I knew that bowl will be moving up the pecking order with the date and the way the AZ Bowl treats the teams and puts them up in nice resorts. Coaches were stating how they felt like they were at a BCS bowl with the treatment they were given. Even though CUSA and the SB conference tend to complain about the distance, I think the MAC will be very supportive being a NYE bowl with a warm destination and against a good MW team.
The other bowls are just throwaways basically to send a bowl eligible team somewhere. Really no complaints given the geographical position we are in.

Perhaps. I still am skeptical of a Pac12 #4 in LA---But if you guys get it---that would be a very impressive accomplishment by Thompson.

The official update is still not complete but I think last update has the PAC Bowl tie-ins as:

Rose vs B10
Alamo vs B12
Las Vegas vs B10/SEC alternating years
Holiday vs ACC
Redbox vs B10
Sun vs ACC
Los Angeles vs MWC

So it would be the PAC #7 vs MWC #1, anyone got more update on any of those that PAC lost?

Slightly off topic:
If the trend towards removing bowl pecking orders continues I can see a lot of the 2nd Tier (Camping, CheezIt, Vegas, etc.)and 3rd Tier Bowls (Gasparilla, Cure, etc.) losing their incentives to boost team payouts. What's the point?