losing uconns womens basketball at face value is HUGE loss for the AAC

UConn is arguably the biggest brand in women basketball...but

their dominance undermines the league...
the sole and only reason our league gets trashed the way it does it because no one can beat uconn...
we'd still be a top 7 or 8 league (out of 30) even without uconn..

we once had a top 20 rpi team (who played a top 40 non-con sos/ top 30 sos overall)..get a 6 seed instead of a 4 seed solely because uconn beat them by 60 and 45 in the season..(usf)

remove uconn and teams arent getting beat by 80-100 anymore...the idea of stealing an auto-bid comes back to life
we still have the same womens tv slots but they wont go to uconn destroying us anymore..but competitive games

no one here follows womens basketball but a few teams are actually on the rise...cincy and houston had their best season in ages making the NIT, and cincys best player is true freshman and houston red-shirted its best player for disciplinary reasons ..usf also bringing in some top recruits ..and they won be getting killed by 80 anymore and will be competing for championships

It's a trade off. If anything, you'd hope UConn would come back to the pack some and at least two of the others would step up.

You lose a national power and one of the sports very few major, valuable properties. If anyone else was any good, they'd step up, like UAB in Calipari's C-USA or St. Mary's in the WCC.

(06-24-2019 10:08 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  It's a trade off. If anything, you'd hope UConn would come back to the pack some and at least two of the others would step up.

You lose a national power and one of the sports very few major, valuable properties. If anyone else was any good, they'd step up, like UAB in Calipari's C-USA or St. Mary's in the WCC.

techincally we did have teams step up..its jut the gap between uconn and everyone besides 3 teams is so immense...the kind of gap youd never see in a mens sport

usf had top 25 finishes, recruiting top 100s in basketball, beatin other top 25 teams..but also losing to uconn by 60 points

uconn in the Big east will be interesting..their league is esentially the same make up as our...1 regularly kind of good team (depaul=usf) the rest not special ..no one in that league is comparable to the aac either

It's tough to tell due to a lack of data on women's college basketball that's available (or at least easy to find) to the public. For example I just looked for UCF's strength of schedule and couldn't even find a link to the strength of schedule standings for women's college basketball. But I know they exist because the pundits always discuss it during the women's selection show as they do the during the men's.

I wanted to look it up because UCF was 26-6 last year and only received a 12 seed. They were 15 in rpi (oddly the NCAA site listed rpi but not net for the women) and still only received a 12 seed because their only good win of the season was Quinnipiac. My gut says losing to UConn 3 times this year by 20+ points probably helped them because it boosted their SoS, and since UConn rarely loses they could point to the fact they only lost 3 times without the games against a team that usually dominates every team they play.

I would also guess that recruiting will be hurt because you can't sell playing against a national power to recruits without UConn in the league. I know getting beat down isn't fun, but this is probably the only chance these girls have to play on national TV. Kind of like how our football team having 70 hung on them against Memphis isn't fun, but playing on ESPNU is an easier sell to recruits than playing on SNY. Our recruiting will definitely be hurt if we can't put together good schedules that draw eyeballs, and I think that's true in any sport.

I know you like to look into these things so if you can find SoS data or something please post it here. You may change my mind.

Women's shooty-hoops is dumb anyway.

They really make basketball look difficult.

(06-25-2019 09:33 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Women's shooty-hoops is dumb anyway.

They really make basketball look difficult.

The only time I watch is if I have a bet going to see how many layups get airballed in a game.

(06-25-2019 08:46 AM)Nameless Wrote:  It's tough to tell due to a lack of data on women's college basketball that's available (or at least easy to find) to the public. For example I just looked for UCF's strength of schedule and couldn't even find a link to the strength of schedule standings for women's college basketball. But I know they exist because the pundits always discuss it during the women's selection show as they do the during the men's.

I wanted to look it up because UCF was 26-6 last year and only received a 12 seed. They were 15 in rpi (oddly the NCAA site listed rpi but not net for the women) and still only received a 12 seed because their only good win of the season was Quinnipiac. My gut says losing to UConn 3 times this year by 20+ points probably helped them because it boosted their SoS, and since UConn rarely loses they could point to the fact they only lost 3 times without the games against a team that usually dominates every team they play.

I would also guess that recruiting will be hurt because you can't sell playing against a national power to recruits without UConn in the league. I know getting beat down isn't fun, but this is probably the only chance these girls have to play on national TV. Kind of like how our football team having 70 hung on them against Memphis isn't fun, but playing on ESPNU is an easier sell to recruits than playing on SNY. Our recruiting will definitely be hurt if we can't put together good schedules that draw eyeballs, and I think that's true in any sport.

I know you like to look into these things so if you can find SoS data or something please post it here. You may change my mind.

last year was a odd year for the aac with usf being so bad

look the year before....
usf was a 6 seed at 26-7 going into the tourney with a top 20 rpi , and top 40 noncon sos..barely losing to the eventually national champ ND in the non con

if uconn isnt in the conference, their non con is still good...USF is 29-4..all close losses.. they wont have a 60 point loss on their resume
almost certainly a 3 or 4 seed

(06-24-2019 09:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  losing uconns womens basketball at face value is HUGE loss for the AAC

UConn is arguably the biggest brand in women basketball...but

their dominance undermines the league...
the sole and only reason our league gets trashed the way it does it because no one can beat uconn...
we'd still be a top 7 or 8 league (out of 30) even without uconn..

we once had a top 20 rpi team (who played a top 40 non-con sos/ top 30 sos overall)..get a 6 seed instead of a 4 seed solely because uconn beat them by 60 and 45 in the season..(usf)

remove uconn and teams arent getting beat by 80-100 anymore...the idea of stealing an auto-bid comes back to life
we still have the same womens tv slots but they wont go to uconn destroying us anymore..but competitive games

no one here follows womens basketball but a few teams are actually on the rise...cincy and houston had their best season in ages making the NIT, and cincys best player is true freshman and houston red-shirted its best player for disciplinary reasons ..usf also bringing in some top recruits ..and they won be getting killed by 80 anymore and will be competing for championships

Maybe 3 bids instead of 1 or 2, but the SOS will be weak at best soooo... NO

(06-25-2019 10:13 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 09:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  losing uconns womens basketball at face value is HUGE loss for the AAC

UConn is arguably the biggest brand in women basketball...but

their dominance undermines the league...
the sole and only reason our league gets trashed the way it does it because no one can beat uconn...
we'd still be a top 7 or 8 league (out of 30) even without uconn..

we once had a top 20 rpi team (who played a top 40 non-con sos/ top 30 sos overall)..get a 6 seed instead of a 4 seed solely because uconn beat them by 60 and 45 in the season..(usf)

remove uconn and teams arent getting beat by 80-100 anymore...the idea of stealing an auto-bid comes back to life
we still have the same womens tv slots but they wont go to uconn destroying us anymore..but competitive games

no one here follows womens basketball but a few teams are actually on the rise...cincy and houston had their best season in ages making the NIT, and cincys best player is true freshman and houston red-shirted its best player for disciplinary reasons ..usf also bringing in some top recruits ..and they won be getting killed by 80 anymore and will be competing for championships

Maybe 3 bids instead of 1 or 2, but the SOS will be weak at best soooo... NO

we had a 16 game conference schedule because of uconn becuase they didnt want to play too many aac.. half our league only played them once a year ....1 team doesnt define a 30 game sos

especially when the committee does an eye test and sees you lost 115-20

No

(06-25-2019 10:21 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 10:13 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 09:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  losing uconns womens basketball at face value is HUGE loss for the AAC

UConn is arguably the biggest brand in women basketball...but

their dominance undermines the league...
the sole and only reason our league gets trashed the way it does it because no one can beat uconn...
we'd still be a top 7 or 8 league (out of 30) even without uconn..

we once had a top 20 rpi team (who played a top 40 non-con sos/ top 30 sos overall)..get a 6 seed instead of a 4 seed solely because uconn beat them by 60 and 45 in the season..(usf)

remove uconn and teams arent getting beat by 80-100 anymore...the idea of stealing an auto-bid comes back to life
we still have the same womens tv slots but they wont go to uconn destroying us anymore..but competitive games

no one here follows womens basketball but a few teams are actually on the rise...cincy and houston had their best season in ages making the NIT, and cincys best player is true freshman and houston red-shirted its best player for disciplinary reasons ..usf also bringing in some top recruits ..and they won be getting killed by 80 anymore and will be competing for championships

Maybe 3 bids instead of 1 or 2, but the SOS will be weak at best soooo... NO

we had a 16 game conference schedule because of uconn becuase they didnt want to play too many aac.. half our league only played them once a year ....1 team doesnt define a 30 game sos

especially when the committee does an eye test and sees you looks 115-20

If we can get a solid OOC I guess we'll be fine... Only WBB and Baseball will be missed.

(06-25-2019 09:45 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:46 AM)Nameless Wrote:  It's tough to tell due to a lack of data on women's college basketball that's available (or at least easy to find) to the public. For example I just looked for UCF's strength of schedule and couldn't even find a link to the strength of schedule standings for women's college basketball. But I know they exist because the pundits always discuss it during the women's selection show as they do the during the men's.

I wanted to look it up because UCF was 26-6 last year and only received a 12 seed. They were 15 in rpi (oddly the NCAA site listed rpi but not net for the women) and still only received a 12 seed because their only good win of the season was Quinnipiac. My gut says losing to UConn 3 times this year by 20+ points probably helped them because it boosted their SoS, and since UConn rarely loses they could point to the fact they only lost 3 times without the games against a team that usually dominates every team they play.

I would also guess that recruiting will be hurt because you can't sell playing against a national power to recruits without UConn in the league. I know getting beat down isn't fun, but this is probably the only chance these girls have to play on national TV. Kind of like how our football team having 70 hung on them against Memphis isn't fun, but playing on ESPNU is an easier sell to recruits than playing on SNY. Our recruiting will definitely be hurt if we can't put together good schedules that draw eyeballs, and I think that's true in any sport.

I know you like to look into these things so if you can find SoS data or something please post it here. You may change my mind.

last year was a odd year for the aac with usf being so bad

look the year before....
usf was a 6 seed at 26-7 going into the tourney with a top 20 rpi , and top 40 noncon sos..barely losing to the eventually national champ ND in the non con

if uconn isnt in the conference, their non con is still good...USF is 29-4..all close losses.. they wont have a 60 point loss on their resume
almost certainly a 3 or 4 seed

I know USF is good, my mom is a diehard women's hoops fan and I've acknowledged they had a down year in our discussion about the Big East at best being a parallel move for the UConn women.

But if USF is healthy last year, UCF wouldn't have won a game against them. So instead of 26-6 they're 23-8 (since they likely don't make the CCG, subtracting another win) with still only one good win. They wouldn't have made the tourney in that scenario. If UConn wasn't in conference and USF was healthy, UCF loses SoS and still likely finishes 26-6, since USF would've beaten them in the CCG. In this scenario, UCF more than likely misses the tourney as well.

And all of this still doesn't even address the likelihood of a negative impact on recruiting.

Like people have said, it's women's basketball though so nobody really cares lol.

I don't think so. Conferences with major resources are more likely to do well with women's basketball.

How well will Connecticut perform when Gino retires? How well is Tennessee performing since Pat Summit passed away? Does anyone talk about the glory days of Louisiana Tech or Old Dominion?

This is a sport that is subsidized by Big Ten, ACC, SEC, etc... revenue.

(06-25-2019 08:46 AM)Nameless Wrote:  It's tough to tell due to a lack of data on women's college basketball that's available (or at least easy to find) to the public. For example I just looked for UCF's strength of schedule and couldn't even find a link to the strength of schedule standings for women's college basketball. But I know they exist because the pundits always discuss it during the women's selection show as they do the during the men's.

I wanted to look it up because UCF was 26-6 last year and only received a 12 seed. They were 15 in rpi (oddly the NCAA site listed rpi but not net for the women) and still only received a 12 seed because their only good win of the season was Quinnipiac. My gut says losing to UConn 3 times this year by 20+ points probably helped them because it boosted their SoS, and since UConn rarely loses they could point to the fact they only lost 3 times without the games against a team that usually dominates every team they play.

I would also guess that recruiting will be hurt because you can't sell playing against a national power to recruits without UConn in the league. I know getting beat down isn't fun, but this is probably the only chance these girls have to play on national TV. Kind of like how our football team having 70 hung on them against Memphis isn't fun, but playing on ESPNU is an easier sell to recruits than playing on SNY. Our recruiting will definitely be hurt if we can't put together good schedules that draw eyeballs, and I think that's true in any sport.

I know you like to look into these things so if you can find SoS data or something please post it here. You may change my mind.

Only the men use NET, its special made because the big conference teams don't want to get upset in the tourney and the little teams were "gaming" the rpi.

USF has been USF for a while with UConn. UCF's coach seems to be putting a solid program together. Honestly the USF injury curse this last year meant only two teams instead of three and maybe four, UCF had a weird schedule where some teams expected to be good didn't quite achieve. Cincinnati is on the edge of making a USF type program. Houston is a growing program who has to learn to be a favorite and have people gunning for them. They were too young last year and lost focus sometimes, sometimes though they were damn scary. Tulane is getting back to it's normal level. Historically it seems like they have extended series of good years and then fall off for two or three before another extended success period. Overall the conference also had a middle pack of schools around the 150s. Next season I expect to be similar to the men's season last year, lots of good teams who will be a year or so away from peaking, three or four bids probably. The year after will be the one the league should be really good as young teams mature and programs build.

Pesik brings up some good points. A full round robin will probably help the conference right now and to some extent UConn is stunting the conference growth. While we may not have any team reach UConn level we could see four or five schools become consistent post season teams with USF being consistently top 25 and others moving up and down, along with occasional surprises. The move may be well timed for the women's teams with that being a year we should have several strong teams to start the new era. Wichita seems to be building up its program, Tulsa has a good young core. ECU had some talent but the whole coaching situation hurt them. Those three improving to respectable top 100-125 teams will provide a good middle for the top of the league which should be pretty good.

Lots of people here. So many UCONN threads. We broke CSNBBS and the internets.

(06-25-2019 08:31 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Lots of people here. So many UCONN threads. We broke CSNBBS and the internets.

We love you but