(06-25-2019 07:00 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 05:25 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 08:06 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 07:26 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Same thread as the others, just with a different title. The ACC doesn't need to "fix FB". Just keep improving. No need to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

Georgia Tech and FSU need to play more...Its a problem

Naaaah, it apparently isn't too much of a problem because the solution is extremely simple. The rest of the ACC shouldn't have to realign and re-do their scheduling because some fans at GT want to play FSU more frequently. Especially considering there is absolutely nothing stopping GT and FSU from scheduling one another every year if they desire. Again, apparently it isn't that big of a deal or the AD's from each institution would already be doing this. Reference what the Deacs and Tar Heels are doing on September 12th, for instance. Simple "problem", even more simple of a solution.

No, no, no! Scheduling ACC teams OOC, while a reasonable thing to do in some cases (e.g. UNC/WFU), is NOT a solution to the divisions! No team should be forced to play non-rivals while skipping true rivals - that's insane!

TBH, after considering dozens if not hundreds of possibilities, I'm convinced that no static divisions can ever be drawn which get all FB rivalries correct for the ACC. Can they be improved? Sure, but never truly fixed without DYNAMIC scheduling such as pods or divisionless schemes.

I think the solution is to let them play 9th game when they don't play ND. For example, GT's 9th game would be ND, FSU, or Syracuse. For FSU, it's either ND, GT, or VT. This doesn't involve any divisional changes. As Statefan said, Coastal teams like the current divisions.

(06-25-2019 08:07 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 07:00 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 05:25 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 08:06 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 07:26 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Same thread as the others, just with a different title. The ACC doesn't need to "fix FB". Just keep improving. No need to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

Georgia Tech and FSU need to play more...Its a problem

Naaaah, it apparently isn't too much of a problem because the solution is extremely simple. The rest of the ACC shouldn't have to realign and re-do their scheduling because some fans at GT want to play FSU more frequently. Especially considering there is absolutely nothing stopping GT and FSU from scheduling one another every year if they desire. Again, apparently it isn't that big of a deal or the AD's from each institution would already be doing this. Reference what the Deacs and Tar Heels are doing on September 12th, for instance. Simple "problem", even more simple of a solution.

No, no, no! Scheduling ACC teams OOC, while a reasonable thing to do in some cases (e.g. UNC/WFU), is NOT a solution to the divisions! No team should be forced to play non-rivals while skipping true rivals - that's insane!

TBH, after considering dozens if not hundreds of possibilities, I'm convinced that no static divisions can ever be drawn which get all FB rivalries correct for the ACC. Can they be improved? Sure, but never truly fixed without DYNAMIC scheduling such as pods or divisionless schemes.

I think the solution is to let them play 9th game when they don't play ND. For example, GT's 9th game would be ND, FSU, or Syracuse. For FSU, it's either ND, GT, or VT. This doesn't involve any divisional changes. As Statefan said, Coastal teams like the current divisions.

Already every team can play whoever they wish for the 9th game when they don't play Notre Dame. Also the 10th, 11th, and 12th games. It's the non-conference part of the schedule.

However, that doesn't address being forced to play non-rivals every year while you only get traditional rivals once every 6 years. For example, before the ACC split into divisions, VT's most-played ACC opponents after UVa were NC State, Wake Forest, Florida State and Clemson. So I ask you, is VT in the right division for the Hokies - or for someone else?

(06-25-2019 10:04 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  However, that doesn't address being forced to play non-rivals every year while you only get traditional rivals once every 6 years. For example, before the ACC split into divisions, VT's most-played ACC opponents after UVa were NC State, Wake Forest, Florida State and Clemson. So I ask you, is VT in the right division for the Hokies - or for someone else?

Hmmm...maybe I'm way off but I think the Hokies and Miami were strong rivals before joining the ACC. And, since joining the ACC, the Hokies and Jackets have developed a very nice rivalry. I would think the Heels and Hokies is a good one for each side as well.

I was intrigued by your view of calling Wake Forest a rival due to having played them often prior to joining the ACC. Then, I took a quick look and learned the Deacs and Hokies hadn't played one another since 1984 (that's 20 years or an entire generation of fans). The Hokies and Pack had not faced one another since 1992 prior to expansion of '03-'04. So again, it wasn't like VPI&SU was playing the Pack annually.

Hokies and Noles met in 2 bowls in '00 and '02 but had not faced one another in the regular season since '91 when both were independents before FSU joined the ACC. Hokies and Clemson met in a 2-game series in '98 and '99 to represent the most recently played games of the 4 you mentioned as rivals. Prior to that, we have to go back to '89 for a regular season Hokies-Tigers game.

Perhaps I'm missing something. (btw, if you want to play Clemson as your annual cross-over Atlantic rival, go right ahead ...just quit scheduling road games to low-level G5 programs please )

(06-25-2019 10:04 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:07 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 07:00 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 05:25 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 08:06 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Georgia Tech and FSU need to play more...Its a problem

Naaaah, it apparently isn't too much of a problem because the solution is extremely simple. The rest of the ACC shouldn't have to realign and re-do their scheduling because some fans at GT want to play FSU more frequently. Especially considering there is absolutely nothing stopping GT and FSU from scheduling one another every year if they desire. Again, apparently it isn't that big of a deal or the AD's from each institution would already be doing this. Reference what the Deacs and Tar Heels are doing on September 12th, for instance. Simple "problem", even more simple of a solution.

No, no, no! Scheduling ACC teams OOC, while a reasonable thing to do in some cases (e.g. UNC/WFU), is NOT a solution to the divisions! No team should be forced to play non-rivals while skipping true rivals - that's insane!

TBH, after considering dozens if not hundreds of possibilities, I'm convinced that no static divisions can ever be drawn which get all FB rivalries correct for the ACC. Can they be improved? Sure, but never truly fixed without DYNAMIC scheduling such as pods or divisionless schemes.

I think the solution is to let them play 9th game when they don't play ND. For example, GT's 9th game would be ND, FSU, or Syracuse. For FSU, it's either ND, GT, or VT. This doesn't involve any divisional changes. As Statefan said, Coastal teams like the current divisions.

Already every team can play whoever they wish for the 9th game when they don't play Notre Dame. Also the 10th, 11th, and 12th games. It's the non-conference part of the schedule.

However, that doesn't address being forced to play non-rivals every year while you only get traditional rivals once every 6 years. For example, before the ACC split into divisions, VT's most-played ACC opponents after UVa were NC State, Wake Forest, Florida State and Clemson. So I ask you, is VT in the right division for the Hokies - or for someone else?

Is VT in the right division? Hell yeah! We play UVa and Miami every year. We play two of four NC teams every year. Atlanta and Pittsburgh are good for recruiting. Playing BC every year is not ideal but they are not in the Costal division and I am OK with getting rid of the permanent rivals.

Most of the posters here are far, far too young to remember when NC State and/or WF played VT on a regular basis.

State play VT 38 times from 1902-1964 as we were both in the SAIAA, and SoCon from 1906-1953. Many of these games were in Norfolk, Richmond, or Winston as neutral site one-offs.

We continued to play them until we built Carter Finley stadium and it opened in 1966 - this was NC State's first legitimate football stadium and it changed who and why we scheduled games.

WF played VT 28 times between 1954 and 1984. That's because R J Reynolds bought WF in 1952 and moved it from rural Wake County - the Town of WF - to Winston-Salem. UVa was ALWAYS touchy about North Carolina teams playing VT because the NC teams other than Duke, did not hold VT responsible for the break up of the SoCon.

Adding Florida State to WF's schedule reduced the value of the VT game and if you already had a game with UVa, you still hit the State of Va.

WF and VT share much of the same cultural and media area. WF does this in part because it's private. WF and VT as universities partner in many activities. The two are separated by the divisions created in 2004 for the same reason NC State does not play VT - because the Coastal division was put together to make Duke, UNC, and UVa happy. VT for for a much needed traveling attendance game for UNC and Duke, and continuity for UVa. GT for access to Atlanta and continuity for Duke, and Miami for access to Florida because they wanted no part of FSU.

If you could control the outcome of divisions, why wouldn't you?

Come 2025, I expect massive changes in how sports are distributed. I have no clue how that will effect the ACC other than future contract negotiations. I think we need to pay attention to this evolving landscape.

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Most of the posters here are far, far too young to remember when NC State and/or WF played VT on a regular basis...

I attended VT in the early 80's. During my time in Blacksburg, the Hokies played Wake Forest every year, Duke most years, and either Clemson, FSU or Miami every year as well. They did NOT play UNC or Georgia Tech until after VT joined the ACC and were told they HAD to.

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  WF and VT... are separated by the divisions created in 2004 for the same reason NC State does not play VT - because the Coastal division was put together to make Duke, UNC, and UVa happy. VT for for a much needed traveling attendance game for UNC and Duke, and continuity for UVa. GT for access to Atlanta and continuity for Duke, and Miami for access to Florida because they wanted no part of FSU.

If you could control the outcome of divisions, why wouldn't you?

THIS. It's not a crazy conspiracy theory (the other conspiracy theories may be crazy, but not this one). Why do you think they wrote the division composition into the ACC by-laws and made it so it takes 3/4ths majority to change them?

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Most of the posters here are far, far too young to remember when NC State and/or WF played VT on a regular basis.

State play VT 38 times from 1902-1964 as we were both in the SAIAA, and SoCon from 1906-1953. Many of these games were in Norfolk, Richmond, or Winston as neutral site one-offs.

We continued to play them until we built Carter Finley stadium and it opened in 1966 - this was NC State's first legitimate football stadium and it changed who and why we scheduled games.

WF played VT 28 times between 1954 and 1984. That's because R J Reynolds bought WF in 1952 and moved it from rural Wake County - the Town of WF - to Winston-Salem. UVa was ALWAYS touchy about North Carolina teams playing VT because the NC teams other than Duke, did not hold VT responsible for the break up of the SoCon.

Adding Florida State to WF's schedule reduced the value of the VT game and if you already had a game with UVa, you still hit the State of Va.

WF and VT share much of the same cultural and media area. WF does this in part because it's private. WF and VT as universities partner in many activities. The two are separated by the divisions created in 2004 for the same reason NC State does not play VT - because the Coastal division was put together to make Duke, UNC, and UVa happy. VT for for a much needed traveling attendance game for UNC and Duke, and continuity for UVa. GT for access to Atlanta and continuity for Duke, and Miami for access to Florida because they wanted no part of FSU.

If you could control the outcome of divisions, why wouldn't you?

That's why I always thought VaTech made more sense in the Atlantic. The VaTech-Miami "rivalry" was a Big East phenomenon, VaTech mainly played FSU before '91.

(06-25-2019 12:46 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Most of the posters here are far, far too young to remember when NC State and/or WF played VT on a regular basis...

I attended VT in the early 80's. During my time in Blacksburg, the Hokies played Wake Forest every year, Duke most years, and either Clemson, FSU or Miami every year as well. They did NOT play UNC or Georgia Tech until after VT joined the ACC and were told they HAD to.

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  WF and VT... are separated by the divisions created in 2004 for the same reason NC State does not play VT - because the Coastal division was put together to make Duke, UNC, and UVa happy. VT for for a much needed traveling attendance game for UNC and Duke, and continuity for UVa. GT for access to Atlanta and continuity for Duke, and Miami for access to Florida because they wanted no part of FSU.

If you could control the outcome of divisions, why wouldn't you?

THIS. It's not a crazy conspiracy theory (the other conspiracy theories may be crazy, but not this one). Why do you think they wrote the division composition into the ACC by-laws and made it so it takes 3/4ths majority to change them?

As an FSU fan, my desire to stay in this conference is waning. I'd prefer to be in a football first conference and let Tobacco road go play bball

It would be great to see Clemson and Virginia Tech come along as well

(06-25-2019 12:56 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 12:46 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Most of the posters here are far, far too young to remember when NC State and/or WF played VT on a regular basis...

I attended VT in the early 80's. During my time in Blacksburg, the Hokies played Wake Forest every year, Duke most years, and either Clemson, FSU or Miami every year as well. They did NOT play UNC or Georgia Tech until after VT joined the ACC and were told they HAD to.

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  WF and VT... are separated by the divisions created in 2004 for the same reason NC State does not play VT - because the Coastal division was put together to make Duke, UNC, and UVa happy. VT for for a much needed traveling attendance game for UNC and Duke, and continuity for UVa. GT for access to Atlanta and continuity for Duke, and Miami for access to Florida because they wanted no part of FSU.

If you could control the outcome of divisions, why wouldn't you?

THIS. It's not a crazy conspiracy theory (the other conspiracy theories may be crazy, but not this one). Why do you think they wrote the division composition into the ACC by-laws and made it so it takes 3/4ths majority to change them?

As an FSU fan, my desire to stay in this conference is waning. I'd prefer to be in a football first conference and let Tobacco road go play bball

It would be great to see Clemson and Virginia Tech come along as well

Well, what I think is going to happen is that Clemson, FSU and VT are going to take over running this conference and it will become football-first (if it hasn't already).

(06-25-2019 01:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 12:56 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 12:46 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Most of the posters here are far, far too young to remember when NC State and/or WF played VT on a regular basis...

I attended VT in the early 80's. During my time in Blacksburg, the Hokies played Wake Forest every year, Duke most years, and either Clemson, FSU or Miami every year as well. They did NOT play UNC or Georgia Tech until after VT joined the ACC and were told they HAD to.

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  WF and VT... are separated by the divisions created in 2004 for the same reason NC State does not play VT - because the Coastal division was put together to make Duke, UNC, and UVa happy. VT for for a much needed traveling attendance game for UNC and Duke, and continuity for UVa. GT for access to Atlanta and continuity for Duke, and Miami for access to Florida because they wanted no part of FSU.

If you could control the outcome of divisions, why wouldn't you?

THIS. It's not a crazy conspiracy theory (the other conspiracy theories may be crazy, but not this one). Why do you think they wrote the division composition into the ACC by-laws and made it so it takes 3/4ths majority to change them?

As an FSU fan, my desire to stay in this conference is waning. I'd prefer to be in a football first conference and let Tobacco road go play bball

It would be great to see Clemson and Virginia Tech come along as well

Well, what I think is going to happen is that Clemson, FSU and VT are going to take over running this conference and it will become football-first (if it hasn't already).

You better hush or you will get kicked out again.

(06-25-2019 12:56 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 12:46 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Most of the posters here are far, far too young to remember when NC State and/or WF played VT on a regular basis...

I attended VT in the early 80's. During my time in Blacksburg, the Hokies played Wake Forest every year, Duke most years, and either Clemson, FSU or Miami every year as well. They did NOT play UNC or Georgia Tech until after VT joined the ACC and were told they HAD to.

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  WF and VT... are separated by the divisions created in 2004 for the same reason NC State does not play VT - because the Coastal division was put together to make Duke, UNC, and UVa happy. VT for for a much needed traveling attendance game for UNC and Duke, and continuity for UVa. GT for access to Atlanta and continuity for Duke, and Miami for access to Florida because they wanted no part of FSU.

If you could control the outcome of divisions, why wouldn't you?

THIS. It's not a crazy conspiracy theory (the other conspiracy theories may be crazy, but not this one). Why do you think they wrote the division composition into the ACC by-laws and made it so it takes 3/4ths majority to change them?

As an FSU fan, my desire to stay in this conference is waning. I'd prefer to be in a football first conference and let Tobacco road go play bball

It would be great to see Clemson and Virginia Tech come along as well

If you think you would be happier in the SEC with Alabama kicking your ass, your are wrong. It's the same **** as in the ACC, just that the ruling class is a little larger in the SEC. In fact, FSU would have LESS of a voice on conference matters in the SEC than they do in the ACC.

(06-25-2019 12:46 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Most of the posters here are far, far too young to remember when NC State and/or WF played VT on a regular basis...

I attended VT in the early 80's. During my time in Blacksburg, the Hokies played Wake Forest every year, Duke most years, and either Clemson, FSU or Miami every year as well. They did NOT play UNC or Georgia Tech until after VT joined the ACC and were told they HAD to.

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  WF and VT... are separated by the divisions created in 2004 for the same reason NC State does not play VT - because the Coastal division was put together to make Duke, UNC, and UVa happy. VT for for a much needed traveling attendance game for UNC and Duke, and continuity for UVa. GT for access to Atlanta and continuity for Duke, and Miami for access to Florida because they wanted no part of FSU.

If you could control the outcome of divisions, why wouldn't you?

THIS. It's not a crazy conspiracy theory (the other conspiracy theories may be crazy, but not this one). Why do you think they wrote the division composition into the ACC by-laws and made it so it takes 3/4ths majority to change them?

Pointing out what happens when power/politics come into play is not conspiracy theory. The big step on the little. The elite predate on the weak. Big business and big egos are the interests behind skulduggery in college sports.

Bama will **** on Auburn every single chance it gets - it's structural like UNC and NC State or Michigan and Michigan State. If your school has no law school and no med school your ass is in trouble vis a vie a competitor in your state that has those schools. UNC, UVa, and Duke will band together to **** everyone else because it's in their shared interests. VT and Clemson have independent governance compared to NC State, why would NC State fans expect a majority UNC-Ch board to direct things in such a way as to advantage NC State over UNC-Ch? That's not conspiracy theory, that's just common sense.

If you don't have to deal with it with your university, you don't have a frame of reference.

(06-25-2019 01:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 12:56 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 12:46 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Most of the posters here are far, far too young to remember when NC State and/or WF played VT on a regular basis...

I attended VT in the early 80's. During my time in Blacksburg, the Hokies played Wake Forest every year, Duke most years, and either Clemson, FSU or Miami every year as well. They did NOT play UNC or Georgia Tech until after VT joined the ACC and were told they HAD to.

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  WF and VT... are separated by the divisions created in 2004 for the same reason NC State does not play VT - because the Coastal division was put together to make Duke, UNC, and UVa happy. VT for for a much needed traveling attendance game for UNC and Duke, and continuity for UVa. GT for access to Atlanta and continuity for Duke, and Miami for access to Florida because they wanted no part of FSU.

If you could control the outcome of divisions, why wouldn't you?

THIS. It's not a crazy conspiracy theory (the other conspiracy theories may be crazy, but not this one). Why do you think they wrote the division composition into the ACC by-laws and made it so it takes 3/4ths majority to change them?

As an FSU fan, my desire to stay in this conference is waning. I'd prefer to be in a football first conference and let Tobacco road go play bball

It would be great to see Clemson and Virginia Tech come along as well

Well, what I think is going to happen is that Clemson, FSU and VT are going to take over running this conference and it will become football-first (if it hasn't already).

(06-25-2019 12:56 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 12:46 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Most of the posters here are far, far too young to remember when NC State and/or WF played VT on a regular basis...

I attended VT in the early 80's. During my time in Blacksburg, the Hokies played Wake Forest every year, Duke most years, and either Clemson, FSU or Miami every year as well. They did NOT play UNC or Georgia Tech until after VT joined the ACC and were told they HAD to.

(06-25-2019 11:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  WF and VT... are separated by the divisions created in 2004 for the same reason NC State does not play VT - because the Coastal division was put together to make Duke, UNC, and UVa happy. VT for for a much needed traveling attendance game for UNC and Duke, and continuity for UVa. GT for access to Atlanta and continuity for Duke, and Miami for access to Florida because they wanted no part of FSU.

If you could control the outcome of divisions, why wouldn't you?

THIS. It's not a crazy conspiracy theory (the other conspiracy theories may be crazy, but not this one). Why do you think they wrote the division composition into the ACC by-laws and made it so it takes 3/4ths majority to change them?

As an FSU fan, my desire to stay in this conference is waning. I'd prefer to be in a football first conference and let Tobacco road go play bball

It would be great to see Clemson and Virginia Tech come along as well

Um, crybaby wanna tissue? Don't lump your football problems on the conference when you have a Hall of Fame basketball coach! Don't make me call Bobby Sura!!

The ACC does have an issue within the conference divisions for football, but with the ACCNetwork starting in August there is nothing that can b done this year due to timetable the conference pits out their FB schedules. I would say 2020 season will have a different look than what see currently, but with ND on the schedules I would dump the permanent crossover games and do a rotation of mixing and matching teams so they get to schedule two games each year from the other division unless they play ND that year they would only get one game. I think we are going to see change sooner rather than later for network is going to have to have some games and I would assume that is going to a 9conference game schedule. [/u]

(06-25-2019 01:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Well, what I think is going to happen is that Clemson, FSU and VT are going to take over running this conference and it will become football-first (if it hasn't already).

As strange as this sounds when discussing The ACC, I seem to remember Clemson, Florida State and Syracuse (no vote but much support with ACC members) doing that back in 2012. Everyone in the media predicted UCONN would replace Maryland, we see how that turned out. That was a football decision.

(06-25-2019 04:18 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  The ACC does have an issue within the conference divisions for football, but with the ACCNetwork starting in August there is nothing that can b done this year due to timetable the conference pits out their FB schedules. I would say 2020 season will have a different look than what see currently, but with ND on the schedules I would dump the permanent crossover games and do a rotation of mixing and matching teams so they get to schedule two games each year from the other division unless they play ND that year they would only get one game. I think we are going to see change sooner rather than later for network is going to have to have some games and I would assume that is going to a 9conference game schedule. [/u]

Then Miami has to come to the Atlantic, and move Wake Forest over to the Coastal

Not having Miami and FSU play each other is sacrilege

(06-25-2019 04:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 01:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Well, what I think is going to happen is that Clemson, FSU and VT are going to take over running this conference and it will become football-first (if it hasn't already).

As strange as this sounds when discussing The ACC, I seem to remember Clemson, Florida State and Syracuse (no vote but much support with ACC members) doing that back in 2012. Everyone in the media predicted UCONN would replace Maryland, we see how that turned out. That was a football decision.

The media is kept in the dark about important ACC matters. None of the football schools the ones whose booster programs revolve around football supported UConn. Thats UM, FSU, Clemson, GT, and VT. NC State is an odd 50//50 mix but against UConn. BC was against UConn. None of that group gave a damn what Syracuse or Pitt thought. Only UVa, UNC, and Duke had reasons to support UConn, but when Bloomenthal sued the ACC and overreached on his depositions, he lost UNC folks that are tied to the hip at the office in Greensboro.

No one gets added over the adamant disagreement of a near by school - UConn is existential to BC - that alone was enough to doom them.

Cincy has not pissed off anyone in the ACC. What ESPN might have traded for with regards to NC State and VT was nixed by UNC and UVa. All that left was Louisville and Nathan Hatch had a good relationship with them. If Hatch likes you, you have a chance. Clemson and FSU did not "threaten" over an issue that was never going to come to pass. That's overblown.

Current problems in ACC football are fixed by a 15th team and three divisions of 5 with a four school playoff. It's that simple.

(06-25-2019 05:14 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 04:18 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  The ACC does have an issue within the conference divisions for football, but with the ACCNetwork starting in August there is nothing that can b done this year due to timetable the conference pits out their FB schedules. I would say 2020 season will have a different look than what see currently, but with ND on the schedules I would dump the permanent crossover games and do a rotation of mixing and matching teams so they get to schedule two games each year from the other division unless they play ND that year they would only get one game. I think we are going to see change sooner rather than later for network is going to have to have some games and I would assume that is going to a 9conference game schedule. [/u]

Then Miami has to come to the Atlantic, and move Wake Forest over to the Coastal

Not having Miami and FSU play each other is sacrilege

Not having WF and UNC play each other is sacrilege. Not having Duke and GT play is sacralige. We understand you newbies have an issue with the past beyond the last 40 years.