(06-25-2019 04:23 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 11:06 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 09:43 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  As the paradigm shifts to streaming, I think the conferences will start to become smaller again. I think conferences have 1 more big ESPN, FOX, or NBC contract left before ala cart ramps all the way up and those networks begin to lose a shitton of money.

I am with you on this. The new ACC will have only 9 or 10 teams. I wonder whether VT will remain or move to another conference.

If conferences do start to shrink in size where do the teams go? A new conference?
If contraction does occur hopefully The ACC would use tickets sold and athletic revenue as benchmarks for surviving members.

If conferences get smaller the obvious split is ACC9 vs oBE ... though I think at this point VT would opt to stay with the ACC9. Not sure on Miami.

(06-25-2019 04:38 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 04:23 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 11:06 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 09:43 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  As the paradigm shifts to streaming, I think the conferences will start to become smaller again. I think conferences have 1 more big ESPN, FOX, or NBC contract left before ala cart ramps all the way up and those networks begin to lose a shitton of money.

I am with you on this. The new ACC will have only 9 or 10 teams. I wonder whether VT will remain or move to another conference.

If conferences do start to shrink in size where do the teams go? A new conference?
If contraction does occur hopefully The ACC would use tickets sold and athletic revenue as benchmarks for surviving members.

If conferences get smaller the obvious split is ACC9 vs oBE ... though I think at this point VT would opt to stay with the ACC9. Not sure on Miami.

I could live with that. Maybe recruit Clemson and Florida State to join us.
Just can’t imagine Clemson and Florida State choosing to stay with a bunch of basketball schools. If they chose to leave VT would probably be gone....


This league would have potential....

Syracuse
Pitt
Miami
Louisville
Boston College
Clemson (invite)
Florida State (invite)
Virginia Tech (invite)
West Virginia (invite)

4 conference road games / 4 conference home games

Better split would be Football / Basketball schools, or nearly as good is Atlantic / Coastal (with Miami and VT jumping to the Atlantic, possibly joined by GT and/or Pitt). I could also see Wake and/or NC State going with the Coastal bunch. So basically...

Basketball-first / Coastal
UVA, UNC, Duke, Wake, (maybe NC State), (maybe GT), (maybe even 'Cuse)

Football-first / Atlantic
BC, Pitt, Louisville, VT, Clemson, FSU, Miami, (maybe NC State), (maybe GT), (maybe even 'Cuse)

If a conference doesn't have to run a 24/7 cable channel, no need to have 14 or 16 teams to provide contents. And that would apply to not only ACC but also to the BIG and SEC.

It's hard to predict exactly what will happen. But if history repeats itself, a group of teams may want to leave a mega conference to form a smaller conference like the ACC and the SEC teams did to the Southern conference. Another possibility is PSU leaving BIG to become the UT of a new Northeastern conference, which would invite Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Temple, Maryland, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Boston College, and potentially Louisville, Cincy, UConn, Miami, and VT.

(06-25-2019 11:02 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  If a conference doesn't have to run a 24/7 cable channel, no need to have 14 or 16 teams to provide contents. And that would apply to not only ACC but also to the BIG and SEC.

It's hard to predict exactly what will happen. But if history repeats itself, a group of teams may want to leave a mega conference to form a smaller conference like the ACC and the SEC teams did to the Southern conference. Another possibility is PSU leaving BIG to become the UT of a new Northeastern conference, which would invite Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Temple, Maryland, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Boston College, and potentially Louisville, Cincy, UConn, Miami, and VT.

If that ever came to pass (Northeastern conference-10: PSU, Pitt, WVU, Md., Syracuse, Rutgers/Temple, BC, Louisville, Cincinnati and Miami), the southern leftovers (VT, UVa, Carolina, Wake Forest, NC State, Duke, Clemson, GT, FSU and Vanderbilt/South Carolina) would be ecstatic.

You guys have quite an imagination. Penn State is not leaving the Big 10+4.

If the conference network is even moderately successful ... the conference will not be getting smaller.

(06-24-2019 08:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 02:04 PM)nole Wrote:  There are only about 3 schools (ND, Penn State, Texas) that would add any money to the ACC. Cinci isn't close to being one of them.

Notre Dame will NEVER become a full member of any conference. That’s a pipe dream.

Penn State isn’t worth the headache. Everything but football sucks at PSU. Don’t see their Olympic Sports adding much to The ACC Network.

Texas, on the other hand, would be an excellent associate member like Notre Dame. Their Olympic Sports would be a welcome addition to The ACC Network. Easy to roll The LHN into The ACC Network.

Fixed it for you.

(06-26-2019 06:55 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 08:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 02:04 PM)nole Wrote:  There are only about 3 schools (ND, Penn State, Texas) that would add any money to the ACC. Cinci isn't close to being one of them.

Notre Dame will NEVER become a full member of any conference. That’s a pipe dream.

Penn State isn’t worth the headache. Everything but football sucks at PSU. Don’t see their Olympic Sports adding much to The ACC Network.

Texas, on the other hand, would be an excellent associate member like Notre Dame. Their Olympic Sports would be a welcome addition to The ACC Network. Easy to roll The LHN into The ACC Network.

Fixed it for you.

Thanks...

Since they are tied to The ACC until at least 2036, that pretty much covers any conference for me. I’m almost 60; I’ll be almost 80 when this deal expires. Frankly I doubt I’ll care too much about what this conference is doing or doing it with then.

With all the wusses we are raising these days, college football’s best days may be behind it anyway. Then again they could eliminate tackling..lol

(06-26-2019 05:29 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  You guys have quite an imagination. Penn State is not leaving the Big 10+4.

PSU will never leave the Big Ten to join the ACC or any other conference. But, starting its own conference is a competely different matter. Remember it was PSU's first choice back in the 80s.

(06-25-2019 04:38 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 04:23 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 11:06 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 09:43 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  As the paradigm shifts to streaming, I think the conferences will start to become smaller again. I think conferences have 1 more big ESPN, FOX, or NBC contract left before ala cart ramps all the way up and those networks begin to lose a shitton of money.

I am with you on this. The new ACC will have only 9 or 10 teams. I wonder whether VT will remain or move to another conference.

If conferences do start to shrink in size where do the teams go? A new conference?
If contraction does occur hopefully The ACC would use tickets sold and athletic revenue as benchmarks for surviving members.

If conferences get smaller the obvious split is ACC9 vs oBE ... though I think at this point VT would opt to stay with the ACC9. Not sure on Miami.

I agree with your view of VT AND Miami.

(06-24-2019 03:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 02:42 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  You got it.

No need to tinker. And, if you do, shoot above what you have. Don't settle (for purgatory).

There is the "corporate merger strategy" vis-a-vis Fuhrer Mickey reshuffling assets he more or less owns outright in the three big conferences. But if you think the NCAA is a dark side just wait until you see what Disney can do.

Every dog has his day. Disney's (ESPN's) venture into conference networks is going to bite them in the not too distant future. What they have unwittingly done (in an effort to cut their overhead) is to require each school in the SEC and ACC to be able to produce their own games. That's going to come in quite handy with the rise of streaming. In the future conferences (like the SEC already does) will sell their T1 to the best possible national platform they can get, likely split up their T2 and market it to several outlets, and sell their T3 on their own cutting Mickey Mouse out as the middle man.

I would argue that ESPN's power is past its peak and that losing leverage over a region to expand markets is not in any conference's best interest for the future because when we market our own T3 rights having some leverage over our own market will be key to acquiring more favorable advertising rates (along with actual viewers of course).

Giving Cincy and Temple the invites now to get to 16 would be hilarious after what UConn just did.

(06-28-2019 08:23 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  Giving Cincy and Temple the invites now to get to 16 would be hilarious after what UConn just did.

If conference leadership did that, I might start believing that theory that The ACC is still mad about that lawsuit.

(06-28-2019 09:10 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 08:23 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  Giving Cincy and Temple the invites now to get to 16 would be hilarious after what UConn just did.

If conference leadership did that, I might start believing that theory that The ACC is still mad about that lawsuit.

Back during the old BE days, after Louisville, Cincy and USF came along, do you remember the constant threads that were started by Uconn fans boasting about their superiority of the BE and constantly calling themselves the "lead dog" or the "big dog." Seeing these latest developments the last 7years, there is no question that the lead dog was NOT UConn.

(06-28-2019 09:38 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 09:10 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 08:23 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  Giving Cincy and Temple the invites now to get to 16 would be hilarious after what UConn just did.

If conference leadership did that, I might start believing that theory that The ACC is still mad about that lawsuit.

Back during the old BE days, after Louisville, Cincy and USF came along, do you remember the constant threads that were started by Uconn fans boasting about their superiority of the BE and constantly calling themselves the "lead dog" or the "big dog." Seeing these latest developments the last 7years, there is no question that the lead dog was NOT UConn.

I do remember those days.
Today I just feel sorry for UConn. They are trying to recapture their glory years by going back to where they happened. Unfortunately for them time marches on.
I really feel sorry for the football first UConn fans and they are out there. The administration screwed their football program. I have been reading their message boards and many UConn fans are not happy with the move.
I am hoping they are successful. I hate to see any program suffer like that because I know what I would feel like.
Like I told someone this morning, I miss Big East Championship Saturday in The Garden. Just not enough to send our football program to purgatory for who knows how long.

(06-28-2019 11:41 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 09:38 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 09:10 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 08:23 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  Giving Cincy and Temple the invites now to get to 16 would be hilarious after what UConn just did.

If conference leadership did that, I might start believing that theory that The ACC is still mad about that lawsuit.

Back during the old BE days, after Louisville, Cincy and USF came along, do you remember the constant threads that were started by Uconn fans boasting about their superiority of the BE and constantly calling themselves the "lead dog" or the "big dog." Seeing these latest developments the last 7years, there is no question that the lead dog was NOT UConn.

I do remember those days.
Today I just feel sorry for UConn. They are trying to recapture their glory years by going back to where they happened. Unfortunately for them time marches on.
I really feel sorry for the football first UConn fans and they are out there. The administration screwed their football program. I have been reading their message boards and many UConn fans are not happy with the move.
I am hoping they are successful. I hate to see any program suffer like that because I know what I would feel like.
Like I told someone this morning, I miss Big East Championship Saturday in The Garden. Just not enough to send our football program to purgatory for who knows how long.

To quote Thomas Wolfe, "You can never go home again." The why is because all things are constantly changing and the home you return to isn't the home you left.

In life, we grow and move out on our own. When we return home it is either because we retired and inherited the home place, or for a funeral. The funeral in this case is for UConn football.

The only reason UConn football got anywhere was due to the basketball program. Football ended up taking them away from their basketball history, and what made them great and unique in the first place.

I feel happy for UConn. They moved into a power conference and made it stronger. I am also of the belief football as an Independent will be more and more sustainable with time and the advancement of streaming technology.

(06-28-2019 12:13 PM)esayem Wrote:  The only reason UConn football got anywhere was due to the basketball program. Football ended up taking them away from their basketball history, and what made them great and unique in the first place.

I feel happy for UConn. They moved into a power conference and made it stronger. I am also of the belief football as an Independent will be more and more sustainable with time and the advancement of streaming technology.

I believe it’s a gamble. I hope it works out for them. Just an interesting call to make when you are operating at a 40 million dollar deficit.

(06-28-2019 12:28 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 12:13 PM)esayem Wrote:  The only reason UConn football got anywhere was due to the basketball program. Football ended up taking them away from their basketball history, and what made them great and unique in the first place.

I feel happy for UConn. They moved into a power conference and made it stronger. I am also of the belief football as an Independent will be more and more sustainable with time and the advancement of streaming technology.

I believe it’s a gamble. I hope it works out for them. Just an interesting call to make when you are operating at a 40 million dollar deficit.

Yep. I was with esayem up until the last sentence to which I completely disagree. I certainly don't think independence is going to benefit UConn FB and I don't think advancing streaming technology will make any difference whatsoever for their burial.