Whenever Memphis fans pack up its like the Biff Tannen gang meets Future Man.

(04-14-2019 07:52 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 05:25 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Recruiting classes never win titles or guarantee a lot. Though it is good news for Memphis that they could be headed back to being a possible tournament team if all goes well.

"A possible tournament team if all goes well?"

Yeah we might just squeeze in. Parade on Beale St.

(04-14-2019 05:25 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Recruiting classes never win titles or guarantee a lot. Though it is good news for Memphis that they could be headed back to being a possible tournament team if all goes well.

tell that to Calipari...he won a title at Kentucky with OAD kids...he also took Memphis and UMass to the Final Four.

we tried getting an old school coach who knows Xs and Os (Tubby Smith) and it didn't work out...

(04-14-2019 11:35 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 05:25 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Recruiting classes never win titles or guarantee a lot. Though it is good news for Memphis that they could be headed back to being a possible tournament team if all goes well.

tell that to Calipari...he won a title at Kentucky with OAD kids...he also took Memphis and UMass to the Final Four.

we tried getting an old school coach who knows Xs and Os (Tubby Smith) and it didn't work out...

Uh... Don't think you can use Tubby as an example that it didn't work out. You guys gave him two years and were hostile towards him from day one.

(04-14-2019 12:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 11:35 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 05:25 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Recruiting classes never win titles or guarantee a lot. Though it is good news for Memphis that they could be headed back to being a possible tournament team if all goes well.

tell that to Calipari...he won a title at Kentucky with OAD kids...he also took Memphis and UMass to the Final Four.

we tried getting an old school coach who knows Xs and Os (Tubby Smith) and it didn't work out...

Uh... Don't think you can use Tubby as an example that it didn't work out. You guys gave him two years and were hostile towards him from day one.

I like Tubby but he didn't work out at Memphis. Tubby's teams improved from year 1 to year 2 plus he brought in quality recruits like Jamal Johnson, David Nickleberry, Karem Brewton, Victor Enoh, and Myreon Jones...problem is Tubby wants a slow build with HIS kind of players and that's not Memphis' speed...we want to lock down local four/five-star kids and Tubby will never be that guy here. That doesn't mean we should hate or vilify a good man who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and I'm not doing that.

(04-14-2019 12:59 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 12:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 11:35 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 05:25 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Recruiting classes never win titles or guarantee a lot. Though it is good news for Memphis that they could be headed back to being a possible tournament team if all goes well.

tell that to Calipari...he won a title at Kentucky with OAD kids...he also took Memphis and UMass to the Final Four.

we tried getting an old school coach who knows Xs and Os (Tubby Smith) and it didn't work out...

Uh... Don't think you can use Tubby as an example that it didn't work out. You guys gave him two years and were hostile towards him from day one.

I like Tubby but he didn't work out at Memphis. Tubby's teams improved from year 1 to year 2 plus he brought in quality recruits like Jamal Johnson, David Nickleberry, Karem Brewton, Victor Enoh, and Myreon Jones...problem is Tubby wants a slow build with HIS kind of players and that's not Memphis' speed...we want to lock down local four/five-star kids and Tubby will never be that guy here. That doesn't mean we should hate or vilify a good man who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and I'm not doing that.

I'm just saying that just because he didn't play the Memphis way doesn't mean an X and Os coach didn't work out.

Just means Memphis fans care more about recruiting rankings and getting Memphis kids than anything else

(04-14-2019 01:01 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 12:59 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 12:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 11:35 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 05:25 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Recruiting classes never win titles or guarantee a lot. Though it is good news for Memphis that they could be headed back to being a possible tournament team if all goes well.

tell that to Calipari...he won a title at Kentucky with OAD kids...he also took Memphis and UMass to the Final Four.

we tried getting an old school coach who knows Xs and Os (Tubby Smith) and it didn't work out...

Uh... Don't think you can use Tubby as an example that it didn't work out. You guys gave him two years and were hostile towards him from day one.

I like Tubby but he didn't work out at Memphis. Tubby's teams improved from year 1 to year 2 plus he brought in quality recruits like Jamal Johnson, David Nickleberry, Karem Brewton, Victor Enoh, and Myreon Jones...problem is Tubby wants a slow build with HIS kind of players and that's not Memphis' speed...we want to lock down local four/five-star kids and Tubby will never be that guy here. That doesn't mean we should hate or vilify a good man who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and I'm not doing that.

I'm just saying that just because he didn't play the Memphis way doesn't mean an X and Os coach didn't work out.

Just means Memphis fans care more about recruiting rankings and getting Memphis kids than anything else

but that's exactly what it means...He's coached at UK so he knows all about high expectations and he didn't meet ours.

I mean, Tubby's best player Jeremiah Martin was a Pastner recruit...Tubby never tried to get along with the local media...he forced out an Asst Coach just so he could hire on his son which was a decision that cost him two big time players in the Lawson's

(04-14-2019 01:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 01:01 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 12:59 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 12:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 11:35 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  tell that to Calipari...he won a title at Kentucky with OAD kids...he also took Memphis and UMass to the Final Four.

we tried getting an old school coach who knows Xs and Os (Tubby Smith) and it didn't work out...

Uh... Don't think you can use Tubby as an example that it didn't work out. You guys gave him two years and were hostile towards him from day one.

I like Tubby but he didn't work out at Memphis. Tubby's teams improved from year 1 to year 2 plus he brought in quality recruits like Jamal Johnson, David Nickleberry, Karem Brewton, Victor Enoh, and Myreon Jones...problem is Tubby wants a slow build with HIS kind of players and that's not Memphis' speed...we want to lock down local four/five-star kids and Tubby will never be that guy here. That doesn't mean we should hate or vilify a good man who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and I'm not doing that.

I'm just saying that just because he didn't play the Memphis way doesn't mean an X and Os coach didn't work out.

Just means Memphis fans care more about recruiting rankings and getting Memphis kids than anything else

but that's exactly what it means...He's coached at UK so he knows all about high expectations and he didn't meet ours.

I mean, Tubby's best player Jeremiah Martin was a Pastner recruit...Tubby never tried to get along with the local media...he forced out an Asst Coach just so he could hire on his son which was a decision that cost him two big time players in the Lawson's

I'm not going to get through to you obviously. You can't call a coach a failure in 2 hostile years. Period.

(04-14-2019 01:24 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 01:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 01:01 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 12:59 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 12:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Uh... Don't think you can use Tubby as an example that it didn't work out. You guys gave him two years and were hostile towards him from day one.

I like Tubby but he didn't work out at Memphis. Tubby's teams improved from year 1 to year 2 plus he brought in quality recruits like Jamal Johnson, David Nickleberry, Karem Brewton, Victor Enoh, and Myreon Jones...problem is Tubby wants a slow build with HIS kind of players and that's not Memphis' speed...we want to lock down local four/five-star kids and Tubby will never be that guy here. That doesn't mean we should hate or vilify a good man who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and I'm not doing that.

I'm just saying that just because he didn't play the Memphis way doesn't mean an X and Os coach didn't work out.

Just means Memphis fans care more about recruiting rankings and getting Memphis kids than anything else

but that's exactly what it means...He's coached at UK so he knows all about high expectations and he didn't meet ours.

I mean, Tubby's best player Jeremiah Martin was a Pastner recruit...Tubby never tried to get along with the local media...he forced out an Asst Coach just so he could hire on his son which was a decision that cost him two big time players in the Lawson's

I'm not going to get through to you obviously. You can't call a coach a failure in 2 hostile years. Period.

sure you can (I also didn't call him a failure, I said it just didn't work out)...I'd hate to imagine where Memphis football would be if we hadn't pulled the trigger on Larry Porter after his 2nd season.

you obviously are unwilling to change your opinion, so whatever...we'll just have to make do with James Wiseman, DJ Jeffries, Lance Thomas, Tyler Harris, Alex Lomax, etc. All kids we would not have if Tubby were still here.

Tubby didn't get fired for his record, or even for his pitiful lack of recruiting. He got fired b/c fans stopped attending games, and we were losing millions of dollars in decreased donations and lost ticket sales.

The failure of Tubby at Memphis has been exhaustibly chronicled before the last season. Comparing results between Tubby and Penny further starkly illustrates Tubby’s ineptness. Anyone pining for Tubby either trolls or desires an unanimated and mediocre Memphis program.

(04-14-2019 01:24 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 01:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 01:01 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 12:59 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 12:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Uh... Don't think you can use Tubby as an example that it didn't work out. You guys gave him two years and were hostile towards him from day one.

I like Tubby but he didn't work out at Memphis. Tubby's teams improved from year 1 to year 2 plus he brought in quality recruits like Jamal Johnson, David Nickleberry, Karem Brewton, Victor Enoh, and Myreon Jones...problem is Tubby wants a slow build with HIS kind of players and that's not Memphis' speed...we want to lock down local four/five-star kids and Tubby will never be that guy here. That doesn't mean we should hate or vilify a good man who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and I'm not doing that.

I'm just saying that just because he didn't play the Memphis way doesn't mean an X and Os coach didn't work out.

Just means Memphis fans care more about recruiting rankings and getting Memphis kids than anything else

but that's exactly what it means...He's coached at UK so he knows all about high expectations and he didn't meet ours.

I mean, Tubby's best player Jeremiah Martin was a Pastner recruit...Tubby never tried to get along with the local media...he forced out an Asst Coach just so he could hire on his son which was a decision that cost him two big time players in the Lawson's

I'm not going to get through to you obviously. You can't call a coach a failure in 2 hostile years. Period.

You know better, just smile. They're about to be LSU circa 2015-2016 and they are tickled pink about it.

(04-14-2019 03:24 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 01:24 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 01:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 01:01 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 12:59 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I like Tubby but he didn't work out at Memphis. Tubby's teams improved from year 1 to year 2 plus he brought in quality recruits like Jamal Johnson, David Nickleberry, Karem Brewton, Victor Enoh, and Myreon Jones...problem is Tubby wants a slow build with HIS kind of players and that's not Memphis' speed...we want to lock down local four/five-star kids and Tubby will never be that guy here. That doesn't mean we should hate or vilify a good man who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and I'm not doing that.

I'm just saying that just because he didn't play the Memphis way doesn't mean an X and Os coach didn't work out.

Just means Memphis fans care more about recruiting rankings and getting Memphis kids than anything else

but that's exactly what it means...He's coached at UK so he knows all about high expectations and he didn't meet ours.

I mean, Tubby's best player Jeremiah Martin was a Pastner recruit...Tubby never tried to get along with the local media...he forced out an Asst Coach just so he could hire on his son which was a decision that cost him two big time players in the Lawson's

I'm not going to get through to you obviously. You can't call a coach a failure in 2 hostile years. Period.

You know better, just smile. They're about to be LSU circa 2015-2016 and they are tickled pink about it.

Even if we were that (which we won’t be), it’d still be better than having Tubby or being Tulsa basketball.

(04-14-2019 03:37 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 03:24 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 01:24 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 01:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 01:01 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  I'm just saying that just because he didn't play the Memphis way doesn't mean an X and Os coach didn't work out.

Just means Memphis fans care more about recruiting rankings and getting Memphis kids than anything else

but that's exactly what it means...He's coached at UK so he knows all about high expectations and he didn't meet ours.

I mean, Tubby's best player Jeremiah Martin was a Pastner recruit...Tubby never tried to get along with the local media...he forced out an Asst Coach just so he could hire on his son which was a decision that cost him two big time players in the Lawson's

I'm not going to get through to you obviously. You can't call a coach a failure in 2 hostile years. Period.

You know better, just smile. They're about to be LSU circa 2015-2016 and they are tickled pink about it.

Even if we were that (which we won’t be), it’d still be better than having Tubby or being Tulsa basketball.

(04-14-2019 01:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 01:01 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 12:59 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 12:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 11:35 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  tell that to Calipari...he won a title at Kentucky with OAD kids...he also took Memphis and UMass to the Final Four.

we tried getting an old school coach who knows Xs and Os (Tubby Smith) and it didn't work out...

Uh... Don't think you can use Tubby as an example that it didn't work out. You guys gave him two years and were hostile towards him from day one.

I like Tubby but he didn't work out at Memphis. Tubby's teams improved from year 1 to year 2 plus he brought in quality recruits like Jamal Johnson, David Nickleberry, Karem Brewton, Victor Enoh, and Myreon Jones...problem is Tubby wants a slow build with HIS kind of players and that's not Memphis' speed...we want to lock down local four/five-star kids and Tubby will never be that guy here. That doesn't mean we should hate or vilify a good man who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and I'm not doing that.

I'm just saying that just because he didn't play the Memphis way doesn't mean an X and Os coach didn't work out.

Just means Memphis fans care more about recruiting rankings and getting Memphis kids than anything else

but that's exactly what it means...He's coached at UK so he knows all about high expectations and he didn't meet ours.

I mean, Tubby's best player Jeremiah Martin was a Pastner recruit...Tubby never tried to get along with the local media...he forced out an Asst Coach just so he could hire on his son which was a decision that cost him two big time players in the Lawson's

Which assistant was that?

tubby had to be fired because the fans had not gotten behind him..that is undeniable

anyone calling a coach a failure only 2 seasons in when taking over a program than hadnt made the tourney the 2 previous years before him, while he averaged 20 wins isnt being fair

building a program "plainly" will never be good enough for memphis, they need flash and sizzle..and tubby isnt flash and sizzle..ive said this before but sampson would have been fired year 2 under memphis aswell...Houston (the city) is a top 3 recruiting hotbed in america..yet we could only get juco's for the first 3 years....and even now the only touted recruits we've gotten are from north carolina and new orleans (not from houston)

coaching is about fit, and tubby and sampson type coaches arent great fits for programs like memphis.....

but something i find interesting, 3 yeas removed from texas tech and chris beard still gives props to tubby smith for laying the foundation he built in texas tech (even invited him to the final 4)....memphis literally starting 5 players all developed by tubby refuse to give him any credit

^ Tubby did not recruit Martin...but I agree that Memphis would have run off Kelvin. Kelvin would have also fired Keelon Lawson just to hire his kid (which would have run the Lawson's off to Kansas)...he wouldn't have gotten all down and dirty to land kids like Tyler Harris, James Wiseman, and DJ Jeffries. He's too 'my way or the highway' for Memphis.

(04-14-2019 04:25 PM)pesik Wrote:  tubby had to be fired because the fans had not gotten behind him..that is undeniable

anyone calling a coach a failure only 2 seasons in when taking over a program than hadnt made the tourney the 2 previous years before him, while he averaged 20 wins isnt being fair

building a program "plainly" will never be good enough for memphis, they need flash and sizzle..and tubby isnt flash and sizzle..ive said this before but sampson would have been fired year 2 under memphis aswell...Houston (the city) is a top 3 recruiting hotbed in america..yet we could only get juco's for the first 3 years....and even now the only touted recruits we've gotten are from north carolina and new orleans (not from houston)

coaching is about fit, and tubby and sampson type coaches arent great fits for programs like memphis.....

but something i find interesting, 3 yeas removed from texas tech and chris beard still gives props to tubby smith for laying the foundation he built in texas tech (even invited him to the final 4)....memphis literally starting 5 players all developed by tubby refuse to give him any credit

Come on, man. Tubby didn't develop anybody. Martin was a Pastner recruit and Memphian who was going to stay no matter what. The rest of the team Tubby inherited all transferred out on him after the first year, leaving us without a roster. He ran off one of the best players in the country, Dedric Lawson and his brother KJ, to Kansas.

So at the last minute, one Tubby assistant, Joe Esposito brought in 4 Jucos. They turned out to be okay, but not great, and Tubby had them one year, so he didn't really develop anybody.

They got better their second year with Penny, as most Jucos do. Only 2 started in the beginning of the season.

Oh, and Tubby's SOS his second year was about 120. Penny's was 33 or so, so even their similar records is misleading.

(04-14-2019 03:59 PM)MTXE Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 01:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 01:01 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 12:59 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 12:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Uh... Don't think you can use Tubby as an example that it didn't work out. You guys gave him two years and were hostile towards him from day one.

I like Tubby but he didn't work out at Memphis. Tubby's teams improved from year 1 to year 2 plus he brought in quality recruits like Jamal Johnson, David Nickleberry, Karem Brewton, Victor Enoh, and Myreon Jones...problem is Tubby wants a slow build with HIS kind of players and that's not Memphis' speed...we want to lock down local four/five-star kids and Tubby will never be that guy here. That doesn't mean we should hate or vilify a good man who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and I'm not doing that.

I'm just saying that just because he didn't play the Memphis way doesn't mean an X and Os coach didn't work out.

Just means Memphis fans care more about recruiting rankings and getting Memphis kids than anything else

but that's exactly what it means...He's coached at UK so he knows all about high expectations and he didn't meet ours.

I mean, Tubby's best player Jeremiah Martin was a Pastner recruit...Tubby never tried to get along with the local media...he forced out an Asst Coach just so he could hire on his son which was a decision that cost him two big time players in the Lawson's

Which assistant was that?

Keelon Lawson (father of Dedric and KJ Lawson)...Tubby first demoted him then refused to consider him for any other positions on staff. He did all that so he could hire Saul Smith as an asst...I mean, even Texas Tech told him he couldn't have Saul on staff after his DUI while at Minny.

In conclusion Memphis is determined to be the best, recruiting, attendance, wins etc.
A ton of people criticized us for firing Smith for Penny saying he can't coach and that it won't work out.
Not only is it working out we are on our way to stabilizing this program as the best in our conference.
Some conference fans will be in denial but at the end of the day this is good for everyone.
This wont be a one hit wonder season, we will represent our conference at the highest of levels vs the blue bloods for seasons to come and help everyones NET ranking. Instead of getting envious/jealous and talking smack you should be thankful. I root for every team in the conference not just Memphis. We all help each other by being good period.