What coulda' been....

Commitments Lost
DJ Williams 5-11 210 RB Auburn
Wyatt Tunall 6-5 270 OT unc-cheat
Evan Conley 6-1 205 QB Louisville
Zion Nelson 6-5 240 OT Miami, FL

(02-02-2019 06:26 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(02-02-2019 06:03 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(02-02-2019 01:41 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Absolutely true when it comes to ratings. Me, they don’t matter a single bit, but fellow Eagle fans love them when the work out for us, question everthing when they donvvv

I used to think stars matter. But one of our 247 guys is very candid about the deficiencies (and benefits) of the service. Especially where they fall short in terms of G5 recruiting.

He doesn't care about stars, and our highly paid coaches don't care about stars, so I don't see why I should.

That, and after about 5 years of watching our lowest "rated" recruits dominate, while a fair amount of the highest that didn't pan out.

how about sharing what the deficiencies (and benefits) are from your 247 guys experience.

Well hes probably said a ton i've missed but the one that stuck out was basically too many prospects and not enough analysts.

Also, that 247 employees know who butters their bread (hint: not US), so they focus on making sure that their revenue is protected.

(02-01-2019 11:33 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 09:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  When GS is rated higher stars matter, when they aren’t they don’t.

Oh please, y'all are the kings of the "Stars don't matter. We've never had a problem turning recruits into athletes" rhetoric.

Now y'all are in the stars DO matter camp because you have an above average class for once? Gimme a break.

Stars don’t matter, please find a post where I’ve said they do.

The hypocrisy is yours.

(02-02-2019 08:06 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  What coulda' been....

Commitments Lost
DJ Williams 5-11 210 RB Auburn
Wyatt Tunall 6-5 270 OT UNC
Evan Conley 6-1 205 QB Louisville
Zion Nelson 6-5 240 OT Miami, FL

I think with

David Baldwin 6-4 214 QB .8588
Larry Dowdy 6-4 280 OT .8290
Emmanuel Jenkins 6-3 200 CB .8265
Craig McFarland 6-5 275 OT .8198
KeSean Brown 6-2 210 OLB .8065

We will be just fine with these new replacements.

I know you aren't big on rankings and rightfully so. But what I get from state fans is that Drink is a heck of a recruiter and seems to be showing it already. We'll have to wait and see for the product on the field. But I'm going to trust Drink is improving the program until I see otherwise.

He certainly seems to be approaching recruiting with a pitch of this is a top 25 program.

(02-03-2019 09:02 AM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  

(02-02-2019 08:06 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  What coulda' been....

Commitments Lost
DJ Williams 5-11 210 RB Auburn
Wyatt Tunall 6-5 270 OT UNC
Evan Conley 6-1 205 QB Louisville
Zion Nelson 6-5 240 OT Miami, FL

I think with

David Baldwin 6-4 214 QB .8588
Larry Dowdy 6-4 280 OT .8290
Emmanuel Jenkins 6-3 200 CB .8265
Craig McFarland 6-5 275 OT .8198
KeSean Brown 6-2 210 OLB .8065

We will be just fine with these new replacements.

I know you aren't big on rankings and rightfully so. But what I get from state fans is that Drink is a heck of a recruiter and seems to be showing it already. We'll have to wait and see for the product on the field. But I'm going to trust Drink is improving the program until I see otherwise.

You're right I could care less about ratings and put my stock in who else wanted these guys. The apparent upgrade is Baldwin over Conley, but you just never know. I've liked Dowdy for a couple of years mostly because I've seen him play several times, but the reality is unc-cheat and Miami didn't go after him or McFarland. DJ Williams would have been a huge upgrade over Ben Williams. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to have all these guys and I'm sure we'll be OK, but you'll have a tough time convincing me our team wouldn't have been better with those other 3 guys.

(02-03-2019 10:00 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  He certainly seems to be approaching recruiting with a pitch of this is a top 25 program.

With the exception of Baldwin all the guys we have commitments from either had previous relationships or were were found by Watts & Clark.

The recruitment class so far has been better than I expected, especially with the coaching staff turnover. Drink came in and kept a good chunk of the recruits and looks to bring in some power himself. My spirits haven't been dampened nor has my commitment to the YC.

Coach Drink has a history of getting good things out of his players. His staff is also seasoned and well-rounded.

(02-03-2019 10:30 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:00 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  He certainly seems to be approaching recruiting with a pitch of this is a top 25 program.

With the exception of Baldwin all the guys we have commitments from either had previous relationships or were were found by Watts & Clark.

Glad Drink kept those guys. Step away from the ledge, the current staff has done a great job in the late recruiting period. They may have started building the relationship before Drink but he still gets the credit for closing the deal.

I hope we don’t read this fall that Drink is only successful because he’s playing with Satt’s guys, I’m setting fire to that straw man in February.

(02-03-2019 10:30 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:00 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  He certainly seems to be approaching recruiting with a pitch of this is a top 25 program.

With the exception of Baldwin all the guys we have commitments from either had previous relationships or were were found by Watts & Clark.

But would they have committed? Players from Arizona and California in the same class? A lefty dual threat QB? Hopefully he gets here and can manage the coursework with athletics unlike a previously heralded guy but Baldwin is Apps highest rated 247 commitment ever. Washington, the 5 star DE transfer from LSU 11 or 12 years ago was the most flat out talented person I've seen come to App (specifically remember his laid out horse collar tackle against JMU on a 3rd down in 2006 that stopped them from gaining 30 yards).

We can tell you aren't quite sold on the staff. But Baldwin is proof positive of my claims about what Dorsey would bring to Boone. He also has the benefit of getting to learn a year, if that's what he wants and assuming he doesn't flat out beat Thomas in the offseason, before challenging for playing time. Hoping Dorsey sticks it out because if App has another Top 25 ranking this season he may be gone.

(02-03-2019 11:44 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Baldwin is proof positive of my claims about what Dorsey would bring to Boone. He also has the benefit of getting to learn a year, if that's what he wants and assuming he doesn't flat out beat Thomas in the offseason, before challenging for playing time. Hoping Dorsey sticks it out because if App has another Top 25 ranking this season he may be gone.

Announced yetsreday, Dorsey is the new QB coach for the Buffalo Bills.

(02-03-2019 11:44 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:30 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:00 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  He certainly seems to be approaching recruiting with a pitch of this is a top 25 program.

With the exception of Baldwin all the guys we have commitments from either had previous relationships or were were found by Watts & Clark.

But would they have committed? Players from Arizona and California in the same class? A lefty dual threat QB? Hopefully he gets here and can manage the coursework with athletics unlike a previously heralded guy but Baldwin is Apps highest rated 247 commitment ever. Washington, the 5 star DE transfer from LSU 11 or 12 years ago was the most flat out talented person I've seen come to App (specifically remember his laid out horse collar tackle against JMU on a 3rd down in 2006 that stopped them from gaining 30 yards).

We can tell you aren't quite sold on the staff. But Baldwin is proof positive of my claims about what Dorsey would bring to Boone. He also has the benefit of getting to learn a year, if that's what he wants and assuming he doesn't flat out beat Thomas in the offseason, before challenging for playing time. Hoping Dorsey sticks it out because if App has another Top 25 ranking this season he may be gone.

Sort of like Brown would be our starter in 2018? I have high hopes for Baldwin but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

(02-03-2019 12:55 PM)hapapp Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 11:44 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:30 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:00 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  He certainly seems to be approaching recruiting with a pitch of this is a top 25 program.

With the exception of Baldwin all the guys we have commitments from either had previous relationships or were were found by Watts & Clark.

But would they have committed? Players from Arizona and California in the same class? A lefty dual threat QB? Hopefully he gets here and can manage the coursework with athletics unlike a previously heralded guy but Baldwin is Apps highest rated 247 commitment ever. Washington, the 5 star DE transfer from LSU 11 or 12 years ago was the most flat out talented person I've seen come to App (specifically remember his laid out horse collar tackle against JMU on a 3rd down in 2006 that stopped them from gaining 30 yards).

We can tell you aren't quite sold on the staff. But Baldwin is proof positive of my claims about what Dorsey would bring to Boone. He also has the benefit of getting to learn a year, if that's what he wants and assuming he doesn't flat out beat Thomas in the offseason, before challenging for playing time. Hoping Dorsey sticks it out because if App has another Top 25 ranking this season he may be gone.

Sort of like Brown would be our starter in 2018? I have high hopes for Baldwin but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Baldwin's tape is worlds away from Browns. People were excited about Brown because of his size. Baldwin has an opportunity to be a bonified star at this level and maybe college football in general. I've watched tape of every App quarterback recruit since 2004, that was available, and Baldwin is a head higher than anyone else. There is a reason he had offers from Florida, Florida State, Georgia, and the like. Personally, I think he should be given an opportunity to challenge to start right away. Zac is good, but Baldwin brings Freshman All-American looking skills to an App program steeped in QB tradition for the 15 years.

Watch his tape before you respond and tell me if I'm wrong. Its bold, sure, but it isn't unfounded excitement. My opinion is that Sawyer Smith is the best QB in the conference. Dan Ellington is probably second. Thomas is solid but he isn't a generational player or even a program cornerstone. I'd say Baldwin could be the Brett Rypien or Case Keenum like G5 QB.especially if he gets three years in Drinks system.

(02-03-2019 12:55 PM)hapapp Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 11:44 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:30 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:00 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  He certainly seems to be approaching recruiting with a pitch of this is a top 25 program.

With the exception of Baldwin all the guys we have commitments from either had previous relationships or were were found by Watts & Clark.

But would they have committed? Players from Arizona and California in the same class? A lefty dual threat QB? Hopefully he gets here and can manage the coursework with athletics unlike a previously heralded guy but Baldwin is Apps highest rated 247 commitment ever. Washington, the 5 star DE transfer from LSU 11 or 12 years ago was the most flat out talented person I've seen come to App (specifically remember his laid out horse collar tackle against JMU on a 3rd down in 2006 that stopped them from gaining 30 yards).

We can tell you aren't quite sold on the staff. But Baldwin is proof positive of my claims about what Dorsey would bring to Boone. He also has the benefit of getting to learn a year, if that's what he wants and assuming he doesn't flat out beat Thomas in the offseason, before challenging for playing time. Hoping Dorsey sticks it out because if App has another Top 25 ranking this season he may be gone.

Sort of like Brown would be our starter in 2018? I have high hopes for Baldwin but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

And I never said Brown would be starter nor thought he would be. There isn't a comparison between Los Angeles football, IMG Academy football, and Kernersville. He should come in ready to go, from a competitive stand point.

(02-03-2019 11:41 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:30 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:00 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  He certainly seems to be approaching recruiting with a pitch of this is a top 25 program.

With the exception of Baldwin all the guys we have commitments from either had previous relationships or were were found by Watts & Clark.

Glad Drink kept those guys. Step away from the ledge, the current staff has done a great job in the late recruiting period. They may have started building the relationship before Drink but he still gets the credit for closing the deal.

I hope we don’t read this fall that Drink is only successful because he’s playing with Satt’s guys, I’m setting fire to that straw man in February.

Who's on the ledge? I simply like facts, not hype or spin.

Oh come on. You've been Mr naysay since December

(02-03-2019 12:55 PM)hapapp Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 11:44 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:30 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:00 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  He certainly seems to be approaching recruiting with a pitch of this is a top 25 program.

With the exception of Baldwin all the guys we have commitments from either had previous relationships or were were found by Watts & Clark.

But would they have committed? Players from Arizona and California in the same class? A lefty dual threat QB? Hopefully he gets here and can manage the coursework with athletics unlike a previously heralded guy but Baldwin is Apps highest rated 247 commitment ever. Washington, the 5 star DE transfer from LSU 11 or 12 years ago was the most flat out talented person I've seen come to App (specifically remember his laid out horse collar tackle against JMU on a 3rd down in 2006 that stopped them from gaining 30 yards).

We can tell you aren't quite sold on the staff. But Baldwin is proof positive of my claims about what Dorsey would bring to Boone. He also has the benefit of getting to learn a year, if that's what he wants and assuming he doesn't flat out beat Thomas in the offseason, before challenging for playing time. Hoping Dorsey sticks it out because if App has another Top 25 ranking this season he may be gone.

Sort of like Brown would be our starter in 2018? I have high hopes for Baldwin but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

First off, I don't have an issue with the new staff, but I ain't swimming in the Kool Aid pond like so many are. People out there bestowing greatest staff in App history to a group that's never conducted a single practice. . It's also a slap in the face of a group that just left Boone with 4 bowl wins & 3 conf Championships during the most successful FCS to FBS transition in history.

Clark found and was the primary recruiter of McFarland. Shawn convinced him and his family to fly out here. In all honesty the town sold him on coming to App. The guy flat out fell in love (his words) with the area. Baldwin is an interesting study. After all those early offers his stock plummeted from a Top 100 prospect, 97 in '16, to 1039 a few months ago. Official Visits are the true indication of how in demand a guy is. Baldwin only made 3 of the 5 allowed. I have no idea what happened along the way but there are reasons guys like this are still around this late in the process. I hope he sets the world on fire, but some of our fans are insane in proclaiming him the next GOAT. The same ones predicting Brown would come in and take Taylor Lamb's job.

BTW, Tim Washington was a huge flop. Played one season and only started 1 game. Mostly a non-factor finishing 12th on the team in tackles.

(02-03-2019 08:21 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 11:41 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:30 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:00 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  He certainly seems to be approaching recruiting with a pitch of this is a top 25 program.

With the exception of Baldwin all the guys we have commitments from either had previous relationships or were were found by Watts & Clark.

Glad Drink kept those guys. Step away from the ledge, the current staff has done a great job in the late recruiting period. They may have started building the relationship before Drink but he still gets the credit for closing the deal.

I hope we don’t read this fall that Drink is only successful because he’s playing with Satt’s guys, I’m setting fire to that straw man in February.

Who's on the ledge? I simply like facts, not hype or spin.

You are quickly becoming the App State's version of Seminole Indian. Congratulations...

(02-03-2019 09:02 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 12:55 PM)hapapp Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 11:44 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:30 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:00 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  He certainly seems to be approaching recruiting with a pitch of this is a top 25 program.

With the exception of Baldwin all the guys we have commitments from either had previous relationships or were were found by Watts & Clark.

But would they have committed? Players from Arizona and California in the same class? A lefty dual threat QB? Hopefully he gets here and can manage the coursework with athletics unlike a previously heralded guy but Baldwin is Apps highest rated 247 commitment ever. Washington, the 5 star DE transfer from LSU 11 or 12 years ago was the most flat out talented person I've seen come to App (specifically remember his laid out horse collar tackle against JMU on a 3rd down in 2006 that stopped them from gaining 30 yards).

We can tell you aren't quite sold on the staff. But Baldwin is proof positive of my claims about what Dorsey would bring to Boone. He also has the benefit of getting to learn a year, if that's what he wants and assuming he doesn't flat out beat Thomas in the offseason, before challenging for playing time. Hoping Dorsey sticks it out because if App has another Top 25 ranking this season he may be gone.

Sort of like Brown would be our starter in 2018? I have high hopes for Baldwin but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

First off, I don't have an issue with the new staff, but I ain't swimming in the Kool Aid pond like so many are. People out there bestowing greatest staff in App history to a group that's never conducted a single practice. . It's also a slap in the face of a group that just left Boone with 4 bowl wins & 3 conf Championships during the most successful FCS to FBS transition in history.

Clark found and was the primary recruiter of McFarland. Shawn convinced him and his family to fly out here. In all honesty the town sold him on coming to App. The guy flat out fell in love (his words) with the area. Baldwin is an interesting study. After all those early offers his stock plummeted from a Top 100 prospect, 97 in '16, to 1039 a few months ago. Official Visits are the true indication of how in demand a guy is. Baldwin only made 3 of the 5 allowed. I have no idea what happened along the way but there are reasons guys like this are still around this late in the process. I hope he sets the world on fire, but some of our fans are insane in proclaiming him the next GOAT. The same ones predicting Brown would come in and take Taylor Lamb's job.

BTW, Tim Washington was a huge flop. Played one season and only started 1 game. Mostly a non-factor finishing 12th on the team in tackles.

The Tim Washington Horse-collar tackle likely saved App's butt in that JMU game. I guess I was on the 30 yard line or so when that play happened so it stuck with me.

There is no comparison between Brown and Baldwin. Watch the tape. Brown is a 2-star QB that is 6'5 and probably better suited to make a transition to receiver or Tight End. Baldwin is a QB who can uncork a perfect spiral off of his back foot for 45 yards. The evidence is there in his film, go watch it. Watch it compared to other QB recruits App has had.

All i'm saying is don't be surprised if he comes in and is given a shot to play. People were high on Peoples, calling him the next GOAT without seeing him actually accomplish anything. App fans tend to get excited about size because it's something that App hasn't recruited for; two examples of that are Peoples and Brown. Peoples may end up being a good runner for App, but I believe he is going to be splitting time with Marcus Williams Jr. who happens to be a more polished runner at this point.

Again, go watch Baldwins film. He looks like the QB everyone would've been foaming at the mouth over if it were Satterfield who convinced him to come to Boone. Compare Baldwin to the Conley and tell me, based on that film, who would you rather have had commit?

Don't want to drink the kool-aid, that's fine. But you can't ignore what your own eyes tell you when you watch someone play. I was never impressed with Brown's film but was intrigued by his size. Many App fans thought he was the QB that they had been missing since most guys have been around 6 feet tall, rather than 6'5.

(02-03-2019 09:02 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 12:55 PM)hapapp Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 11:44 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:30 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:00 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  He certainly seems to be approaching recruiting with a pitch of this is a top 25 program.

With the exception of Baldwin all the guys we have commitments from either had previous relationships or were were found by Watts & Clark.

But would they have committed? Players from Arizona and California in the same class? A lefty dual threat QB? Hopefully he gets here and can manage the coursework with athletics unlike a previously heralded guy but Baldwin is Apps highest rated 247 commitment ever. Washington, the 5 star DE transfer from LSU 11 or 12 years ago was the most flat out talented person I've seen come to App (specifically remember his laid out horse collar tackle against JMU on a 3rd down in 2006 that stopped them from gaining 30 yards).

We can tell you aren't quite sold on the staff. But Baldwin is proof positive of my claims about what Dorsey would bring to Boone. He also has the benefit of getting to learn a year, if that's what he wants and assuming he doesn't flat out beat Thomas in the offseason, before challenging for playing time. Hoping Dorsey sticks it out because if App has another Top 25 ranking this season he may be gone.

Sort of like Brown would be our starter in 2018? I have high hopes for Baldwin but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

First off, I don't have an issue with the new staff, but I ain't swimming in the Kool Aid pond like so many are. People out there bestowing greatest staff in App history to a group that's never conducted a single practice. . It's also a slap in the face of a group that just left Boone with 4 bowl wins & 3 conf Championships during the most successful FCS to FBS transition in history.

Clark found and was the primary recruiter of McFarland. Shawn convinced him and his family to fly out here. In all honesty the town sold him on coming to App. The guy flat out fell in love (his words) with the area. Baldwin is an interesting study. After all those early offers his stock plummeted from a Top 100 prospect, 97 in '16, to 1039 a few months ago. Official Visits are the true indication of how in demand a guy is. Baldwin only made 3 of the 5 allowed. I have no idea what happened along the way but there are reasons guys like this are still around this late in the process. I hope he sets the world on fire, but some of our fans are insane in proclaiming him the next GOAT. The same ones predicting Brown would come in and take Taylor Lamb's job.

BTW, Tim Washington was a huge flop. Played one season and only started 1 game. Mostly a non-factor finishing 12th on the team in tackles.

Also, Brett Rypien was a 4 Star QB recruit that Drink convinced to sign with Boise State. I figure you would also have a problem with him had he signed with App. Taking the wait and see approach is great and all, but when you can see something on film, why not watch it? You want to find the flaw in this kid, that's fine. It seems many App fans are segregating into a Satterfield Loyalist group whereby anything new from this staff, as if they can't be better, is not to be trusted.

However, unlike the coaching staff, you have the opportunity to see Baldwin's film simply by going to Youtube, Hudl, or 247 Sports.