(12-26-2018 03:47 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 03:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  one point....

even if USF's rating is artifically high right now- the AAC will benefit from it. UConn plays 1st at USF. It's 92 @ 90. So if UConn beats them by 25 points, UConn's rating is going to take a HUGE jump up there.....

We would only have to beat them by 10 to get the max jump.

that's the biggest misnomer of the NET....

While yes, for the 5th component, 10 points is the max, for the efficency metric, there is no max.

(12-26-2018 01:24 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 10:55 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  If I had to rank I’d go:
1. Houston: you cannot deny being undefeated.

2. Cincinnati: only getting better

3. Temple: better wins then UCF, tougher schedule, zero bad losses

4. UCF: most likely a good team, but most likely not a tourney team. Only notable win was a home win against Bama.

5. Tulsa: slow start, but 3 straight top 100 wins is undeniable

6. UConn : if it wasn’t for the Syracuse win, we’d think Kevin Ollie was still the coach. 1 top 35 win, followed by 8 wins against 228 or worse.

7. Smu : this is a bit of a hot take, but in a league where scoring is hard to come by, I’m going with the best offense in the league. I can see a scenario where SMU moves to the 5 spot or better. They screwed their tourney chances but not their league chances

8. Wichita State: sometimes they look good, most times they look young. And thus will lose games they shouldn’t. But will not count out Greg Marshall just yet

9. Memphis: nothing I’ve seen from penny says that he can out coach many guys in this league. Will be a tough out at home tho.

10. USF: not a real team. Progress yes, but they played zero top 100 teams. Will get punch in the mouth the moment they post UConn

11. Tulane: the free buy game we didn’t ask for.. go away

12: ECU: would be nice if we could replace you


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the rankings itself are fine, but a few of the comments i disagree with

ucf is most likely a tourney team, every bracketologist still has them on

have you actually watch a smu game, or simply going by kenpom..you keep posting they are the best offense, i don't even think they are close

you seem to be boosting smu off stats from a weak schedule but won't acknowledge usf becuase of weak schedule...

imo usf probably wont be great, but you never know, they had one fatal flaw to me at the start of the season, that being that they couldnt shoot at all, but its stating to seem like it was a slump, rideau started they year shooting 15% from 3 has now shot 60% in the last few games

i dont know what to expect with them, they basically got a brand new roster in the offseason with a lot of touted players, meaning theyll get better as the start to build chemistry and they are atleast decent now

that uconn usf game will be a better game than alot of people are going to give it credit

Also....


With UCF... I expect once league play starts and power 5 leagues are playing top 100 opponents every game the rest of the way out, the UCF falls out.


Today, multiple brackets have them on the outside look in and the ones that do have them in, it’s as an 11 seed, which can be a play in game.

If your an 11 seed going into our conference l, you better at minimum sweep UC or Houston. Because if you get swept or drop a game you shouldn’t, then it’s going to be bad news.


If you think UCF has a good resume then I don’t know what to tell you.

Bama is there only win. It’s just a tier 2 win. They played just 1 tier 1 game and lost and kinda negated their only good when with a loss to frickin Florida Atlantic.




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(12-26-2018 04:09 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Also....


With UCF... I expect once league play starts and power 5 leagues are playing top 100 opponents every game the rest of the way out, the UCF falls out.


Today, multiple brackets have them on the outside look in and the ones that do have them in, it’s as an 11 seed, which can be a play in game.

If your an 11 seed going into our conference l, you better at minimum sweep UC or Houston. Because if you get swept or drop a game you shouldn’t, then it’s going to be bad news.


If you think UCF has a good resume then I don’t know what to tell you.

Bama is there only win. It’s just a tier 2 win. They played just 1 tier 1 game and lost and kinda negated their only good when with a loss to frickin Florida Atlantic.

not sure why you keep using kenpom for ncaa tourney stuff, kenpom has never been a big factor ever in tourney selection

NET favor wins...IMO ucf will rise in NET not fall, not only because they will have a high win count, but they played a lot of good mid-major whos wins will also have high win counts when they get into league play

aka kenpoms ranking on purdue vs NET

all the good teams are crammed into 4 conferences, they are going to cannibalize themselves. there are going to be a lot of sub 20 win big 10 teams that many are seeing as tourney teams now that wont make it....aka what happened to ok state last year (when everyone in the big 12 was good)

25 wins and .500 in their 4 games vs houston and UC, and i think they'll be a lock
and most people seem to be giving a pass to ucf, saying ucf was the better team in their losses in many tv shows/games

Our big thing is high energy and hard work. It's like WRs with enthusiastic run blocking in football-not noticed much, but when everyone is energetic, working hard, and staying disciplined everything is possible. This team is better than the sum of its parts and has steadily learned to dominate where they should. I expect to see some great play down the stretch. We play Fairleigh Dickenson on Saturday. I fully expect to run them off the court leading into our matchup vs. UConn on the 2nd.

And we have been tested-the team is getting their feet under them and should be fine. Yes we have flaws but seriously, we're young and growing. #runwithus

(12-26-2018 04:48 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  Our big thing is high energy and hard work. It's like WRs with enthusiastic run blocking in football-not noticed much, but when everyone is energetic, working hard, and staying disciplined everything is possible. This team is better than the sum of its parts and has steadily learned to dominate where they should. I expect to see some great play down the stretch. We play Fairleigh Dickenson on Saturday. I fully expect to run them off the court leading into our matchup vs. UConn on the 2nd.

And we have been tested-the team is getting their feet under them and should be fine. Yes we have flaws but seriously, we're young and growing. #runwithus

maybe one day this will translate into actually winning games.....

(12-26-2018 06:11 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 04:48 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  Our big thing is high energy and hard work. It's like WRs with enthusiastic run blocking in football-not noticed much, but when everyone is energetic, working hard, and staying disciplined everything is possible. This team is better than the sum of its parts and has steadily learned to dominate where they should. I expect to see some great play down the stretch. We play Fairleigh Dickenson on Saturday. I fully expect to run them off the court leading into our matchup vs. UConn on the 2nd.

And we have been tested-the team is getting their feet under them and should be fine. Yes we have flaws but seriously, we're young and growing. #runwithus

maybe one day this will translate into actually winning games.....

That day is coming brotha...

(12-26-2018 06:19 PM)NewEnglandBull Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 06:11 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 04:48 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  Our big thing is high energy and hard work. It's like WRs with enthusiastic run blocking in football-not noticed much, but when everyone is energetic, working hard, and staying disciplined everything is possible. This team is better than the sum of its parts and has steadily learned to dominate where they should. I expect to see some great play down the stretch. We play Fairleigh Dickenson on Saturday. I fully expect to run them off the court leading into our matchup vs. UConn on the 2nd.

And we have been tested-the team is getting their feet under them and should be fine. Yes we have flaws but seriously, we're young and growing. #runwithus

maybe one day this will translate into actually winning games.....

That day is coming brotha...

sure...when pirate ships fly

(12-26-2018 06:20 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 06:19 PM)NewEnglandBull Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 06:11 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 04:48 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  Our big thing is high energy and hard work. It's like WRs with enthusiastic run blocking in football-not noticed much, but when everyone is energetic, working hard, and staying disciplined everything is possible. This team is better than the sum of its parts and has steadily learned to dominate where they should. I expect to see some great play down the stretch. We play Fairleigh Dickenson on Saturday. I fully expect to run them off the court leading into our matchup vs. UConn on the 2nd.

And we have been tested-the team is getting their feet under them and should be fine. Yes we have flaws but seriously, we're young and growing. #runwithus

maybe one day this will translate into actually winning games.....

That day is coming brotha...

sure...when pirate ships fly

(12-26-2018 04:35 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 04:09 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Also....


With UCF... I expect once league play starts and power 5 leagues are playing top 100 opponents every game the rest of the way out, the UCF falls out.


Today, multiple brackets have them on the outside look in and the ones that do have them in, it’s as an 11 seed, which can be a play in game.

If your an 11 seed going into our conference l, you better at minimum sweep UC or Houston. Because if you get swept or drop a game you shouldn’t, then it’s going to be bad news.


If you think UCF has a good resume then I don’t know what to tell you.

Bama is there only win. It’s just a tier 2 win. They played just 1 tier 1 game and lost and kinda negated their only good when with a loss to frickin Florida Atlantic.

not sure why you keep using kenpom for ncaa tourney stuff, kenpom has never been a big factor ever in tourney selection

NET favor wins...IMO ucf will rise in NET not fall, not only because they will have a high win count, but they played a lot of good mid-major whos wins will also have high win counts when they get into league play

aka kenpoms ranking on purdue vs NET

all the good teams are crammed into 4 conferences, they are going to cannibalize themselves. there are going to be a lot of sub 20 win big 10 teams that many are seeing as tourney teams now that wont make it....aka what happened to ok state last year (when everyone in the big 12 was good)

25 wins and .500 in their 4 games vs houston and UC, and i think they'll be a lock
and most people seem to be giving a pass to ucf, saying ucf was the better team in their losses in many tv shows/games

You realize that with NET? It’s even worse for them. Their best win is 85 with net and most of the other teams are actually worse under NET than kenpom.


I know Houston is brand new to this at large selection stuff, so I imagine your used to having nothing to care about minus last season, but, very rarely has a top 30 kenpom team ever missed the tourney.

Net is only there to catagorize wins. That’s it. It won’t be used for seeding. Kenpom will be on the team sheet like it has been for the last few years. The committee has not publicly relied on it but if your in the kenpom top 30, your in.


No one gives passes at end of the season bruh. Because no one remembers. The facts will be on a team sheet and on that team sheet it will show that they played a 252 ranked SOS and walked away with most likely zero top 100 wins because Bama will get ground and pounded, porn hub style, in the sec.


Why do I use kenpom ? Because it seems to be pretty damn good at projecting the field.


In the last 5 combined years, only 2 teams have been left out of the tourney who were in kenpoms top 30.

Pretty good track record for predicting what the committee does, who uses no single metric to makes its choices


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(12-26-2018 06:11 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 04:48 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  Our big thing is high energy and hard work. It's like WRs with enthusiastic run blocking in football-not noticed much, but when everyone is energetic, working hard, and staying disciplined everything is possible. This team is better than the sum of its parts and has steadily learned to dominate where they should. I expect to see some great play down the stretch. We play Fairleigh Dickenson on Saturday. I fully expect to run them off the court leading into our matchup vs. UConn on the 2nd.

And we have been tested-the team is getting their feet under them and should be fine. Yes we have flaws but seriously, we're young and growing. #runwithus

maybe one day this will translate into actually winning games.....

It already is. Just because we aren't rolling over the likes of Villanova and Ohio state doesn't mean it's not working.

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(12-26-2018 06:38 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 04:35 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 04:09 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Also....


With UCF... I expect once league play starts and power 5 leagues are playing top 100 opponents every game the rest of the way out, the UCF falls out.


Today, multiple brackets have them on the outside look in and the ones that do have them in, it’s as an 11 seed, which can be a play in game.

If your an 11 seed going into our conference l, you better at minimum sweep UC or Houston. Because if you get swept or drop a game you shouldn’t, then it’s going to be bad news.


If you think UCF has a good resume then I don’t know what to tell you.

Bama is there only win. It’s just a tier 2 win. They played just 1 tier 1 game and lost and kinda negated their only good when with a loss to frickin Florida Atlantic.

not sure why you keep using kenpom for ncaa tourney stuff, kenpom has never been a big factor ever in tourney selection

NET favor wins...IMO ucf will rise in NET not fall, not only because they will have a high win count, but they played a lot of good mid-major whos wins will also have high win counts when they get into league play

aka kenpoms ranking on purdue vs NET

all the good teams are crammed into 4 conferences, they are going to cannibalize themselves. there are going to be a lot of sub 20 win big 10 teams that many are seeing as tourney teams now that wont make it....aka what happened to ok state last year (when everyone in the big 12 was good)

25 wins and .500 in their 4 games vs houston and UC, and i think they'll be a lock
and most people seem to be giving a pass to ucf, saying ucf was the better team in their losses in many tv shows/games

You realize that with NET? It’s even worse for them. Their best win is 85 with net and most of the other teams are actually worse under NET than kenpom.


I know Houston is brand new to this at large selection stuff, so I imagine your used to having nothing to care about minus last season, but, very rarely has a top 30 kenpom team ever missed the tourney.

Net is only there to catagorize wins. That’s it. It won’t be used for seeding. Kenpom will be on the team sheet like it has been for the last few years. The committee has not publicly relied on it but if your in the kenpom top 30, your in.


No one gives passes at end of the season bruh. Because no one remembers. The facts will be on a team sheet and on that team sheet it will show that they played a 252 ranked SOS and walked away with most likely zero top 100 wins because Bama will get ground and pounded, porn hub style, in the sec.


Why do I use kenpom ? Because it seems to be pretty damn good at projecting the field.


In the last 5 combined years, only 2 teams have been left out of the tourney who were in kenpoms top 30.

Pretty good track record for predicting what the committee does, who uses no single metric to makes its choices


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you literally missed the whole part i wrote about how they will rise as conference play starts in their respective conferences???

Net will raise them as they continue to win and their opponent too as they continue to win...i never said anything about right now

1) your kenpom top 30 point is pretty useless, top 30 of any credible computer will almost always be in..top 30 is only up to a 7 seed...top 30 are teams that should be comfortably in
(that's like saying my computer is pretty accurate, my proof is that it has always been accurate in calling 25+ win teams in p5 to be tournament teams)..thanks

picking 7-11 seeds is where the accuracy of a computer should be defined in determining bids..note kenpom has had numeours 30-35 left out in recent years

2) your houston point is stupid, but just to be petty (which is why i am sure you posted it)...
but Houston has been a 20+ win team the majority of the last decade and only made an at-large once, dont you think we'd be more conscious of how at-larges work than a team who is always in comfortably ..i wouldnt ask duke fans on what its like to be a bubble team

3) here is a break down of net (the official computer) views everything, the computer they are going to use to evaluate sos...2 things to note,
a) it doesnt care that much about sos
b) look at how its SOS is ranked
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Sta...CState%3D1

a) note how nc state and Oklahoma have identical records...note that it thinks nc state has a bottom 10 schedules in the nation, and Oklahoma has top 5 natioanl schedule..then note how its ranked nc state way higher than Oklahoma

b) notice how it ranks ucfs noncon conference Sos as TOP 150 Nationally

these are the numbers the committee will be looking at

I like Houston up top, but I didn't see enough from anyone else OOC to put anyone else up top with them. Cincy, Tulsa and Temple are behind them in whatever order you want. UCF and UConn after that.

Memphis has 5 losses but due to the schedule I'm not putting us 8th. Probably more around 6 for now.

Worst loss was to Oklahoma State.

The other 4 were to #3 Tennessee, @ LSU, top 10 Texas Tech and NCAA favorite Charleston. (All competitive games).

Some teams in the AAC have terrible OOC schedules. The record looks nice, but it's not helping them or the league.

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Tulsa is better than most of the country.

(12-26-2018 07:47 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  Opening line about how you're wrong.







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Tulsa is better than most of the country.

You make a great point.

Houston.