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There may not be fans at the games, but November games matter. Who is the best team in the MAC right now? Miami? a team that is not even bowl eligible.

That is a really tough question. I have no idea anymore.

I think this is perhaps the most "down" year for the MAC in a long time; and particularly the West. Neither NIU or Toledo was as good as most expected, and I'm sure both schools expected far more that what they got out of the season. WMU has been very disappointing, CMU is horrendous, BSU is, well, BSU. EMU I think is better than its record, but still not a great season. In the East, Buffalo looked like they could be world beaters, but have not been terribly consistent, and got blown out a bit. I actually wonder if Buffalo is as good as its record might look. Ohio looks to be the best overall, but they stumbled too often as well, and wont even play in the MACC.

I cant remember a year where the MAC was so "average" from top to bottom, with some teams being a bit better than that , but not very dynamic otherwise. The MACC was up for grabs this year.

(11-15-2018 12:00 PM)brovol Wrote:  I think this is perhaps the most "down" year for the MAC in a long time; and particularly the West. Neither NIU or Toledo was as good as most expected, and I'm sure both schools expected far more that what they got out of the season. WMU has been very disappointing, CMU is horrendous, BSU is, well, BSU. EMU I think is better than its record, but still not a great season. In the East, Buffalo looked like they could be world beaters, but have not been terribly consistent, and got blown out a bit. I actually wonder if Buffalo is as good as its record might look. Ohio looks to be the best overall, but they stumbled too often as well, and wont even play in the MACC.

I cant remember a year where the MAC was so "average" from top to bottom, with some teams being a bit better than that , but not very dynamic otherwise. The MACC was up for grabs this year.

Ohio might still be alive if Buffalo loses to BGSU. I don't have enough energy to go through the common opponents tiebreaker.

(11-15-2018 12:05 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  Ohio might still be alive if Buffalo loses to BGSU. I don't have enough energy to go through the common opponents tiebreaker.

Should be fun if UB loses to BUGS and Miami/Ohio win out. Three way at 6-2...UB over Miami, Miami over Ohio, Ohio over UB. Is the tie-break next % v. division? If so, it would be Miami, wouldn't it. UB would have lost 2, Miami and Ohio 1 in and 1 out, but Miami in the head to head?

I can never remember the damn tie-breaking order...

Edit...found it...if it is still current...

1. Head-to-head competition

A. In the event of a multiple-team (for example, three teams) tie, the team with the best head-to-head record among tied teams wins the tie-breaker;
B. In a two-team tie, head-to-head competition will be the first criteria;
C. If two teams did not play, the second criteria is used to break the tie;

2. Record of tied teams vs. common opponents within the division
(versus rank order, highest to lowest, of division teams)


A. The above tie-breaker procedure is used to determine rank order in the
division;
B. Team(s) eliminated in the second tie-breaker criterion are not included
in further consideration in tie-breaking formula;

C. Head-to-head competition is again used to break the tie between the
remaining tied teams.

3. Comparison of conference winning percentage of crossover opponents of tied teams

A. Tie-breaker is awarded to the team whose cross-division opponents
had the best cumulative conference winning percentage;
B. Head-to-head competition is used to break the tie between the two tied
teams.

4. If multiple teams remain tied, the final tie-breaker is as follows:

A. Record of tied teams versus cross-division opponents in rank order;
B. Head-to-head competition is used to break the tie between the two tied
teams.

Hard to believe if by some miracle we beat NIU next week a team with a 7-5 record would be playing for the MACC

(11-15-2018 01:17 PM)Broncodan Wrote:  Hard to believe if by some miracle we beat NIU next week a team with a 7-5 record would be playing for the MACC

Akron was in the MACC at 6-5 in 2005 (and won).

Miami was in the MACC at 6-6 in 2007. Lost in the MACC and didn't get a bowl. BGSU actually had a better MAC record, but there were a couple bizarre years where they went by divisional record only.

(11-15-2018 06:39 AM)uclabruin Wrote:  There may not be fans at the games, but November games matter. Who is the best team in the MAC right now? Miami? a team that is not even bowl eligible.

I would've still said Buffalo if they lost by a slimmer margin. But they looked like us last night, completely inept in all phases of the game.

Ohio.

And it's not even close right now IMO.

(11-15-2018 01:17 PM)Broncodan Wrote:  Hard to believe if by some miracle we beat NIU next week a team with a 7-5 record would be playing for the MACC

LOL. Don't get your hopes up.

(11-15-2018 01:17 PM)Broncodan Wrote:  Hard to believe if by some miracle we beat NIU next week a team with a 7-5 record would be playing for the MACC

How would this be? Didnt NIU clinch with our loss?

(11-15-2018 09:25 PM)jubbasubba Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 01:17 PM)Broncodan Wrote:  Hard to believe if by some miracle we beat NIU next week a team with a 7-5 record would be playing for the MACC

How would this be? Didnt NIU clinch with our loss?

Yes, was just meaning if we beat them, they would be 7-5 going to MACC not that we would go lol

(11-15-2018 09:25 PM)jubbasubba Wrote:  How would this be? Didnt NIU clinch with our loss?

I believe NIU is 7-4. Another loss would make them 7-5. They have clinched.

(11-15-2018 09:40 PM)Broncodan Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 09:25 PM)jubbasubba Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 01:17 PM)Broncodan Wrote:  Hard to believe if by some miracle we beat NIU next week a team with a 7-5 record would be playing for the MACC

How would this be? Didnt NIU clinch with our loss?

Yes, was just meaning if we beat them, they would be 7-5 going to MACC not that we would go lol

gotcha!

(11-15-2018 09:40 PM)AFLAGWA Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 09:25 PM)jubbasubba Wrote:  How would this be? Didnt NIU clinch with our loss?

I believe NIU is 7-4. Another loss would make them 7-5. They have clinched.

Far cry from us possibly being 11-1 and sitting home 2 years ago

(11-15-2018 08:15 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Ohio.

And it's not even close right now IMO.

they just lost to miami by two points....

(11-16-2018 10:21 AM)uclabruin Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 08:15 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Ohio.

And it's not even close right now IMO.

they just lost to miami by two points....

Ohio beat Buffalo 52-17 this week.

Miami beat NIU 13-7.


Yes, Ohio lost to Miami last week. Miami is tough, could make an argument for them being the best team currently. I think Ohio has the better resume overall.

The parity in the MAC this year is really something.

Its the MAC, some of you haven't learned that the last 40 years. The '88 team was the second best WMU team ever, they had lowly Kent State put 45 on them. This past Weds just proves no one is bullet proof in this conference.

(11-16-2018 02:30 PM)fastbuicks Wrote:  Its the MAC, some of you haven't learned that the last 40 years. The '88 team was the second best WMU team ever, they had lowly Kent State put 45 on them. This past Weds just proves no one is bullet proof in this conference.

I was at that game they lost to Kent State by 45 points. Kent was running an option offense that year, I think it was like UM's famous option from the 1980's. Anyway, the Flashes had a short little QB who could turn on a dime. He ran that option perfectly and there was nothing we could do to stop them.

Had we played them 10 times that year we would have beat them 8, not a doubt in my mind. But, on that day, under those conditions, with THAT offense and THAT QB, we couldn't touch them.

No matter, we won the conference that year.

It's why 13-0 in 2016 was so remarkable, no matter what people say about our "ho hum" strength of schedule. Really hard to go 13 consecutive games against various opponents without stubbing your toe, including Tuesdays/Wednesdays that can mess with your rhythm.

It's also what's impressive about UCF. I mean outside their bowl game (Auburn), their best non-conference win of the past two seasons has probably been 6-4 Pitt. They've had two P5 games cancelled due to weather. But to win 22 in a row is an amazing feat.