I would love to go bowling and if so I want New Orleans. But if we are left out at 6-6 I'm ok with that which would mean Coastal, State and ULM have better records than us and would be more deserving IMO. I want to reward teams for having good years I would hate for us to be left out in a situation like that. But its up to the bowls so we shall see what happens. Cajuns have to take care of business right now we aren't even bowl eligible and no win is guaranteed. I would love to play ULM with the west on the line this would be fun in Funroe.

If we end up playing another MAC team in Alabama our attendance is going to take a serious hit. We are getting wore out on that scenario and need a change of pace, NOLA or Cure.

New Orleans Bowl- Georgia Southern vs MTSU? Yes please!


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(11-12-2018 10:21 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  If we end up playing another MAC team in Alabama our attendance is going to take a serious hit. We are getting wore out on that scenario and need a change of pace, NOLA or Cure.

I think you are right, especially if we draw Ohio again in Montgomery. The so called "picking order" by our bowls really equates to what combination of bowl representatives (teams) put the most TOTAL fans in all the Sun Belt bowl games. I believe, the bowls, the conference and the schools' AD's have quite a bit of input into this. JMO...

(11-11-2018 11:30 PM)SOT1977 Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 07:52 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  [quote='Arrowhead' pid='15656057' dateline='1541974984']
So you are leaving us out? Who knows we could get left out.

UL is 45 minutes from NOLA and all they've proven is that they have good fan travel to New Orleans and nowhere else.

That will raise a ruckus from Cajun fans. But it's true.

To clarify, maybe you need to work on that Geography a bit. It is 2 hours and 12 minutes from Lafayette to New Orleans.

It's looking more and more likely that there will be more bowl eligible teams than there are spots. If that is the case, 2 bowl eligible Sun Belt teams are likely to be sitting at home. Would be a crying shame for Coastal looking for its first berth, assuming they get to 6 wins (which I believe they will). ULM likely to be the next out, unless they win the SBC Championship Game (IIRC, the champion is guaranteed a bowl berth, correct?)

(11-12-2018 11:32 AM)asucrutch23 Wrote:  It's looking more and more likely that there will be more bowl eligible teams than there are spots.

There are 5 already bowl eligible. Louisiana and Coastal are both 5-5 and both have South Alabama on deck, lmao. More than likely USA losses both games. We are looking at 7 bowl eligible teams.

USA, Texas State, and Georgia State ... you guys have some work to do during the offseason. Step one is firing Withers and Elliot.

(11-12-2018 11:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 11:32 AM)asucrutch23 Wrote:  It's looking more and more likely that there will be more bowl eligible teams than there are spots.

There are 5 already bowl eligible. Louisiana and Coastal are both 5-5 and both have South Alabama on deck, lmao. More than likely USA losses both games. We are looking at 7 bowl eligible teams.

USA, Texas State, and Georgia State ... you guys have some work to do during the offseason. Step one is firing Withers and Elliot.

I'm talking about more FBS bowl eligible teams than the 78 spots. That would leave 2 of the 7 Sun Belt teams sitting at home, with only 5 tie-ins. AKA no Sun Belt at-larges. In the past few years, there have been more spots than eligible teams, meaning they have to dip into 5-7 teams. Likely won't be the case this year.

(11-11-2018 09:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 08:18 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  What other conferences can't fill all their bowl tie-ins and is there a possibility that the SB teams could fill them?

The two bowls we need to focus on are Birmingham and Dallas. Dallas likely has 2 openings, and Birmingham is P5 vs G5 (AAC) and its P5 rep likely won't fill. Shreveport is going to be open again, but has backup deals with both the AAC and CUSA, and one of those is going to end up with more teams than spots.

We're at 64 bowl eligible teams for 78 slots with 2 weeks left. My guess is we're going to fill all 78 with room to spare meaning Some unfortunate G5 teams within the SBC, MAC, and CUSA are going to be left without a chair when the music stops.

So if there is a spot open in another bowl tie-in, would the Belt send 1 of it's better teams to fill a more prestigious bowl or would it send whoever is left after our the SB's 5 are filled?

So many teams left out there that can get eligible but many have a hard way of getting there. The hurricane from early in the year is having a second round of devastation. Teams that lost games are needing those extra chances for wins right now. Va Tech lost out on a game with ECU (probable win) so they need to win out. They have to beat Miami and UVA. Miami has to beat either Tech or Pitt. I could see both of them sitting home. The BIG XII is a mess with 5 teams still able to make a bowl but so many of them meeting each other or playing the better teams in conference. Either Baylor or Texas Tech will make a bowl because they play each other. Tulane needs 1 win but has to play Houston and then Navy. I doubt they beat Houston and I would never count out Navy, no matter how bad the season is going. Those dang option teams (looking at you Ga Southern).

(11-12-2018 12:06 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 09:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 08:18 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  What other conferences can't fill all their bowl tie-ins and is there a possibility that the SB teams could fill them?

The two bowls we need to focus on are Birmingham and Dallas. Dallas likely has 2 openings, and Birmingham is P5 vs G5 (AAC) and its P5 rep likely won't fill. Shreveport is going to be open again, but has backup deals with both the AAC and CUSA, and one of those is going to end up with more teams than spots.

We're at 64 bowl eligible teams for 78 slots with 2 weeks left. My guess is we're going to fill all 78 with room to spare meaning Some unfortunate G5 teams within the SBC, MAC, and CUSA are going to be left without a chair when the music stops.

So if there is a spot open in another bowl tie-in, would the Belt send 1 of it's better teams to fill a more prestigious bowl or would it send whoever is left after our the SB's 5 are filled?

Won't matter. The Sun Belt will not be filling vacancies left by other conferences if there are more than 78 teams eligible. Unfortunate truth.

Right now we are looking at 82.96 teams making it to 6 wins. Ole Miss is ineligible at a 45.5% chance of 6 wins, dropping us to 82.51 teams.

ESPN has just released their projections (per Kyle Bonagura & Mitch Sherman)(++=At Large)

Cure:
B: ULM. S Tulane
S: Coastal vs Temple

Camellia:
B: App State vs EMU
S: Ga Southern vs Ohio

New Orleans:
B:Ga Southern vs Marshall
S: UAB vs Louisiana

++Birmingham Bowl:
S: Memphis vs App State

Dollar General:
B: Troy vs Buffalo
S: Astate vs NIU

++Quicklane:
S: ULM vs EMU

Arizona:
B: Astate vs Nevada
S: Troy vs Nevada

(11-11-2018 11:30 PM)SOT1977 Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 07:52 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 05:23 PM)Arrowhead Wrote:  So you are leaving us out? Who knows we could get left out.

I could see you guys being left without a chair if you don't win the West. You guys have basically no proof that you'll travel to any game (and Indy isn't coming open to save you this year) while both of the other West eligible teams is going to have a lot more realistic proof of fan travel, even if neither program is really certain to sell bowl tickets well this year.

Now, if ULM wins the West, I believe the bowl policy was updated to guarantee a bowl eligible CCG loser a bowl game, so a West champ ULM should be fine.

Where it gets tricky is if you lose these next couple games. In theory, the exact same can be said about AState or UL, but both of those still have essentially a gimme win left on their schedule.

If ULM wins the West they'll be 8-4. They'd be going to a bowl even if they lose the CCG game. Doesn't matter what the bowl policy update is. We have a good, if very brief, history of fan travel to a bowl game. We sent 24,000 to Shreveport (100 miles away) in 2012. ULL is 45 minutes from NOLA and all they've proven is that they have good fan travel to New Orleans and nowhere else.

That will raise a ruckus from Cajun fans. But it's true.

If you win the West, you go bowling regardless since the CCG loser must be placed before non CCG teams in bowls. Doesn't matter what Cajuns fans think about it, or AState fans for that matter.

If you guys don't win the West, things get messy

(11-12-2018 12:55 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 12:06 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 09:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 08:18 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  What other conferences can't fill all their bowl tie-ins and is there a possibility that the SB teams could fill them?

The two bowls we need to focus on are Birmingham and Dallas. Dallas likely has 2 openings, and Birmingham is P5 vs G5 (AAC) and its P5 rep likely won't fill. Shreveport is going to be open again, but has backup deals with both the AAC and CUSA, and one of those is going to end up with more teams than spots.

We're at 64 bowl eligible teams for 78 slots with 2 weeks left. My guess is we're going to fill all 78 with room to spare meaning Some unfortunate G5 teams within the SBC, MAC, and CUSA are going to be left without a chair when the music stops.

So if there is a spot open in another bowl tie-in, would the Belt send 1 of it's better teams to fill a more prestigious bowl or would it send whoever is left after our the SB's 5 are filled?

Won't matter. The Sun Belt will not be filling vacancies left by other conferences if there are more than 78 teams eligible. Unfortunate truth.

Right now we are looking at 82.96 teams making it to 6 wins. Ole Miss is ineligible at a 45.5% chance of 6 wins, dropping us to 82.51 teams.

You're not counting Liberty in those numbers...correct? They are ineligible even if they get to 6 wins.

The SBC can fill other spots, it just depends who we are up against. If we're facing an AAC or a P5 team, it's just not happening. But if that extra spot is against a CUSA or MAC school? Different story. Right now, the bulk of extra teams come from CUSA, MAC, and SBC with one extra MWC.

Odds are far better we can do some maneuvering to take an open spot in such a situation, but it most likely is going to require us offering up our champ to fill said spot. For instance, Birmingham isn't going to take a 7 win SBC. But they might seriously consider a 10 win App State who was ranked Top 25 at one point.

(11-12-2018 01:33 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 12:55 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 12:06 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 09:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 08:18 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  What other conferences can't fill all their bowl tie-ins and is there a possibility that the SB teams could fill them?

The two bowls we need to focus on are Birmingham and Dallas. Dallas likely has 2 openings, and Birmingham is P5 vs G5 (AAC) and its P5 rep likely won't fill. Shreveport is going to be open again, but has backup deals with both the AAC and CUSA, and one of those is going to end up with more teams than spots.

We're at 64 bowl eligible teams for 78 slots with 2 weeks left. My guess is we're going to fill all 78 with room to spare meaning Some unfortunate G5 teams within the SBC, MAC, and CUSA are going to be left without a chair when the music stops.

So if there is a spot open in another bowl tie-in, would the Belt send 1 of it's better teams to fill a more prestigious bowl or would it send whoever is left after our the SB's 5 are filled?

Won't matter. The Sun Belt will not be filling vacancies left by other conferences if there are more than 78 teams eligible. Unfortunate truth.

Right now we are looking at 82.96 teams making it to 6 wins. Ole Miss is ineligible at a 45.5% chance of 6 wins, dropping us to 82.51 teams.

You're not counting Liberty in those numbers...correct? They are ineligible even if they get to 6 wins.

The SBC can fill other spots, it just depends who we are up against. If we're facing an AAC or a P5 team, it's just not happening. But if that extra spot is against a CUSA or MAC school? Different story. Right now, the bulk of extra teams come from CUSA, MAC, and SBC with one extra MWC.

Odds are far better we can do some maneuvering to take an open spot in such a situation, but it most likely is going to require us offering up our champ to fill said spot. For instance, Birmingham isn't going to take a 7 win SBC. But they might seriously consider a 10 win App State who was ranked Top 25 at one point.

Correct. I'm not counting Liberty.

I'm just not sure I see the Sun Belt contractual tie-ins allowing such maneuvering. Wouldn't all 5 bowls have to agree to forfeit their contractual right to select a desired team?

I guess our best option for more than 5 teams is for a 7-5 ULM to be up against someone like a 6-6 Eastern Michigan for that last spot.

Example:

New Orleans - Louisiana
Dollar General - Troy
Camellia - App State
Cure - Georgia Southern
Arizona - Arkansas State

ULM is probably the next pick and if it's between them and EMU, or say Akron or FIU, I guess I could see it.

ESPN’s projections are terrible and have no merit

American is going to have exactly their number on the nose unless SMU gets eligible or they miss the Access bowl

ACC is likely short in Tampa or Dallas

Big Ten probably can't cover Dallas and maybe not Detroit.

Big 12 probably won't cover Fort Worth

CUSA has a deal to send their likely extra team to Shreveport, might still have a leftover.

MAC has an extra a deal to cover Detroit so probably no leftovers

MWC will have an extra but can cover Cheez-It in San Francisco if open. Depending on how things break might have their spot and SF on the nose or have two extras.

Pac-12 will have 1-3 schools looking for a slot

SEC probably short in Shreveport and maybe Birmingham

Sun Belt should have two extras

Independents. Notre Dame goes into the ACC pool if they miss NY6 which should cover ACC games. Army and BYU will find spots.

I could see ESPN using App or Troy to plug Tampa or Birmingham vs AAC

(11-12-2018 12:55 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 12:06 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 09:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 08:18 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  What other conferences can't fill all their bowl tie-ins and is there a possibility that the SB teams could fill them?

The two bowls we need to focus on are Birmingham and Dallas. Dallas likely has 2 openings, and Birmingham is P5 vs G5 (AAC) and its P5 rep likely won't fill. Shreveport is going to be open again, but has backup deals with both the AAC and CUSA, and one of those is going to end up with more teams than spots.

We're at 64 bowl eligible teams for 78 slots with 2 weeks left. My guess is we're going to fill all 78 with room to spare meaning Some unfortunate G5 teams within the SBC, MAC, and CUSA are going to be left without a chair when the music stops.

So if there is a spot open in another bowl tie-in, would the Belt send 1 of it's better teams to fill a more prestigious bowl or would it send whoever is left after our the SB's 5 are filled?

Won't matter. The Sun Belt will not be filling vacancies left by other conferences if there are more than 78 teams eligible. Unfortunate truth.

Right now we are looking at 82.96 teams making it to 6 wins. Ole Miss is ineligible at a 45.5% chance of 6 wins, dropping us to 82.51 teams.

The MAC has 5 bowl spots, but could potentially get 8 eligible, however they'll likely have 6, maybe 7. The MAC travels pretty poorly to bowl games, so I would bet a SBC team would get picked over a 6-6 Ohio or Akron for a bowl that has an opening. A SBC team could also get picked over a 6-6 Wyoming or Charlotte team, if they were to get eligible too. Just a lot of factors involved, so it wouldn't surprise me either way. Biggest factor is how many teams become eligible. We will be able to tell a little bit more after this weekend.

(11-12-2018 02:12 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 12:55 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 12:06 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 09:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 08:18 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  What other conferences can't fill all their bowl tie-ins and is there a possibility that the SB teams could fill them?

The two bowls we need to focus on are Birmingham and Dallas. Dallas likely has 2 openings, and Birmingham is P5 vs G5 (AAC) and its P5 rep likely won't fill. Shreveport is going to be open again, but has backup deals with both the AAC and CUSA, and one of those is going to end up with more teams than spots.

We're at 64 bowl eligible teams for 78 slots with 2 weeks left. My guess is we're going to fill all 78 with room to spare meaning Some unfortunate G5 teams within the SBC, MAC, and CUSA are going to be left without a chair when the music stops.

So if there is a spot open in another bowl tie-in, would the Belt send 1 of it's better teams to fill a more prestigious bowl or would it send whoever is left after our the SB's 5 are filled?

Won't matter. The Sun Belt will not be filling vacancies left by other conferences if there are more than 78 teams eligible. Unfortunate truth.

Right now we are looking at 82.96 teams making it to 6 wins. Ole Miss is ineligible at a 45.5% chance of 6 wins, dropping us to 82.51 teams.

The MAC has 5 bowl spots, but could potentially get 8 eligible, however they'll likely have 6, maybe 7. The MAC travels pretty poorly to bowl games, so I would bet a SBC team would get picked over a 6-6 Ohio or Akron for a bowl that has an opening. A SBC team could also get picked over a 6-6 Wyoming or Charlotte team, if they were to get eligible too. Just a lot of factors involved, so it wouldn't surprise me either way. Biggest factor is how many teams become eligible. We will be able to tell a little bit more after this weekend.

Ohio traveled pretty well to the 2015 Camellia Bowl. Not sure I'd lump them in with the rest of the MAC. They would easily get picked over ULM or Coastal IMO.

Troy vs UAB would be cool.