(09-24-2018 10:08 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 01:38 PM)InjunJohn86 Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 01:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 10:37 AM)InjunJohn86 Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 09:08 PM)Fanther Wrote:  I have noticed officials awarding first downs without measurements on more really close calls than in the past and moving the chains very quickly to avoid challenges.

Having officiated for 15 years and knowing quite a few college officials, I would bet you see some fudging of where they place the ball after a 1st down. Watch every punt. A player will always be down on a yard line. They either cheat back or forward. Evens out for the game and makes marking for line to gain much easier. You might actually see that on long plays that are clearly 1st downs. Makes it real easy to see line to gain. If I know that you have to make the 45 and the nose of the ball is touching the 45, then it is a first down, no matter the measure. Not saying that is the case but you might be seeing a lot of that.

I have been told SEC (and Sun Belt) supervisor of officials teaches that at his clinics as long as it isn't red zone or inside the team's own 10.

The scenario at AState was they marked it and everyone on the AState sideline was signaling first down. The center walked up looked over and signaled first down and finally convinced the white hat to measure. The ball was on the hash so it was pretty easy to see it looked like a first down because the chain was on the hash.

You will find that all college officials do it. Just pay attention to the games, especially on punts. They will move the ball up or back up to a foot or more. Officials probably weren't paying attention. That was a linesman not paying attention because he should be telling the White Hat "First" "short" or "close". Watch and you will see the wing official point forward with his hand on his stomach telling the White Hat the line to gain has been reached.

The official geek in me comes out when I start talking mechanics. That is what I usually get more upset about at games.

My next rant. I don't need an official over the PA to tell me a throw away isn't intentional grounding. If it were intentional grounding you got that little yellow thing. If it isn't you don't use it. We got a PA announcement by the white hat that a pass was incomplete. Yeah buddy I saw a couple of your pals waving their arms signalling that. Or as my son said, "If only there were some way to use hand signals to show a pass is incomplete without having to announce it."

I don't like that either, but then again I know the rules fairly well. That is for the multitude of fans who scream out nonsense and don't understand the rules at all.....and puts me in a "no sh*t Sherlock" mood when the White Hat cranks up the mic.

I just want to see consistency in officiating.....game to game, half to half, quarter to quarter, team to team. I had to watch the same official in the TAMU game call ULM for PI for a hand on the players hip in which the WR was not turned at all and then have another play, nearly identical, except there was some turning, not called against TAMU. If you are going to call tight, call tight all game and call both ways. Too many times, SBC officiating crews are so different in what they allow and what they don't, game to game and crew to crew.

(09-25-2018 06:21 AM)InjunJohn86 Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 10:08 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 01:38 PM)InjunJohn86 Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 01:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 10:37 AM)InjunJohn86 Wrote:  Having officiated for 15 years and knowing quite a few college officials, I would bet you see some fudging of where they place the ball after a 1st down. Watch every punt. A player will always be down on a yard line. They either cheat back or forward. Evens out for the game and makes marking for line to gain much easier. You might actually see that on long plays that are clearly 1st downs. Makes it real easy to see line to gain. If I know that you have to make the 45 and the nose of the ball is touching the 45, then it is a first down, no matter the measure. Not saying that is the case but you might be seeing a lot of that.

I have been told SEC (and Sun Belt) supervisor of officials teaches that at his clinics as long as it isn't red zone or inside the team's own 10.

The scenario at AState was they marked it and everyone on the AState sideline was signaling first down. The center walked up looked over and signaled first down and finally convinced the white hat to measure. The ball was on the hash so it was pretty easy to see it looked like a first down because the chain was on the hash.

You will find that all college officials do it. Just pay attention to the games, especially on punts. They will move the ball up or back up to a foot or more. Officials probably weren't paying attention. That was a linesman not paying attention because he should be telling the White Hat "First" "short" or "close". Watch and you will see the wing official point forward with his hand on his stomach telling the White Hat the line to gain has been reached.

The official geek in me comes out when I start talking mechanics. That is what I usually get more upset about at games.

My next rant. I don't need an official over the PA to tell me a throw away isn't intentional grounding. If it were intentional grounding you got that little yellow thing. If it isn't you don't use it. We got a PA announcement by the white hat that a pass was incomplete. Yeah buddy I saw a couple of your pals waving their arms signalling that. Or as my son said, "If only there were some way to use hand signals to show a pass is incomplete without having to announce it."

I don't like that either, but then again I know the rules fairly well. That is for the multitude of fans who scream out nonsense and don't understand the rules at all.....and puts me in a "no sh*t Sherlock" mood when the White Hat cranks up the mic.

Doesn't help them. They just babble their own made up version of the rules.

(09-25-2018 06:26 AM)InjunJohn86 Wrote:  I just want to see consistency in officiating.....game to game, half to half, quarter to quarter, team to team. I had to watch the same official in the TAMU game call ULM for PI for a hand on the players hip in which the WR was not turned at all and then have another play, nearly identical, except there was some turning, not called against TAMU. If you are going to call tight, call tight all game and call both ways. Too many times, SBC officiating crews are so different in what they allow and what they don't, game to game and crew to crew.

Too many times, SBC officiating crews are also so different in what they allow and what they don’t, play to play and series to series in the same game.

Anyone watching the LSU-La Tech game last Saturday got to see just how helpful SEC officials can be.

They've been able top review targeting from upstairs without a flag for a couple years now. Didn't mind them doing it Saturday, but it should not ever take that long.


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