Never Trumper National Review questions how we can have faith in the intelligence agencies:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/h...ntability/




"...But why do our intelligence heads seem to feel so exasperated that they’re not getting through to the American people? Why do they need to reassert the immediacy of the Russian threat?

The FBI joined forces with one political campaign to thwart the efforts of the opposing campaign. Has that happened before in American history?

Is it because Trump has poisoned the waters of American espionage and surveillance by his understandable furor over the never-ending Mueller investigation and his perceived downplaying of “Russian meddling”?

Not really.

Consider the larger context.

Most recently, it was disclosed, two years after the fact — and despite the FBI’s kicking-and-screaming refusal to release subpoenaed documents — that the FBI did, as alleged, offer to pay Christopher Steele to dig for dirt on the Trump campaign.

The FBI also knew that Steele was working on behalf of the Clinton campaign to find dirt on Donald Trump. We now also know that the FBI used at least one informant to spy on members of the Trump campaign. In other words, the FBI joined forces with one political campaign to thwart the efforts of the opposing campaign. Has that happened before in American history?


Pause for a minute and examine the recent history of the FBI leadership. The fired former director James Comey likely lied frequently to congressional committees when he claimed that the Steele dossier was not really a primary source for the FISA court writ against Carter Page.

Comey did write an FBI summary about the Clinton email scandal, exonerating Clinton, before he interviewed Hillary Clinton and many of the major figures in that scandal. Comey leaked at least one likely classified document, written on FBI equipment on FBI time, in a successful gambit to get a special counsel appointed, which turned out to be his friend Robert Mueller.

Comey misled a FISA judge by not fully disclosing the full origins of the Steele dossier as a product of Hillary Clinton’s campaign. He also deceived a president by briefing him of selected bits of the dossier’s contents, but not informing the president that the source of most of that information was paid by the Clinton campaign.

Comey further misled the president by assuring him that he was not a subject of an FBI investigation while he repeatedly suggested to the media that Trump, in fact, was a subject.

In addition, Comey must have known that DOJ official Bruce Ohr — even after the election — served as a likely conduit to the FBI for info passed to Ohr by then-fired FBI informant Christopher Steele.

In other words, during the Trump presidency, one of his own top officials at the DOJ was secretly working with the FBI to undermine the Trump presidency...."

Article continues with repeated examples.

"...We always expect Russian skullduggery, but we never anticipated election interference from those entrusted with protecting us and our institutions from our enemies.

COMMENTS
The police were not policed — and so became like the enemies they warned us about."

I don't....not sure what else to say about that one.....

Honestly, I assumed most people had a natural distrust of the intelligence agencies. FFS, J. Edgar Hoover made a career out of using the FBI as his weapon to get what he wanted. The CIA has been distrusted since the late 70s/early 80s with the activities in Cambodia and Laos becoming known after the fact when the Vietnam War was being fought...

(08-07-2018 08:17 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Honestly, I assumed most people had a natural distrust of the intelligence agencies. FFS, J. Edgar Hoover made a career out of using the FBI as his weapon to get what he wanted. The CIA has been distrusted since the late 70s/early 80s with the activities in Cambodia and Laos becoming known after the fact when the Vietnam War was being fought...

J.E. rub a dub boy sucking with his Hoover could be the most corrupt and powerful man that ever ran ANY US governmental agency......

what a sick twisted fk that girlie man was.....every time I hear his name it disgusts me what we turned into post prohibition....

"Who watches the Watchmen?"

While he was alive, J.E. Hoover always had extremely high ratings from the overall American public. Some presidents (FDR and LBJ foremost) genuinely liked him and were more-than-willing to increase his power. Other presidents (Truman, JFK and Nixon) wanted to get rid of him but were terrified of the consequences. It was only after he died (’72) that it really became safe to call him out. And even in 1975, they still named that gigantic/hideous bulding after him.

But now that building is slowly falling apart and it would be more expensive to fix it than to simply build a new one. So in about 10 years or so there will probably be a new FBI Headquarters. You can bet your life it won’t be named after Hoover.

(08-07-2018 08:31 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  While he was alive, J.E. Hoover always had extremely high ratings from the overall American public. Some presidents (FDR and LBJ foremost) genuinely liked him and were more-than-willing to increase his power. Other presidents (Truman, JFK and Nixon) wanted to get rid of him but were terrified of the consequences. It was only after he died (’72) that it really became safe to call him out. And even in 1975, they still named that gigantic/hideous bulding after him.

But now that building is slowly falling apart and it would be more expensive to fix it than to simply build a new one. So in about 10 years or so there will probably be a new FBI Headquarters. You can bet your life it won’t be named after Hoover.

one word in the land of too much control via propaganda....."COMMUNISM"

that could be the most 'feared' word during my lifetime.....toss is the few outlets where the gp/media had access to dig and communicate, and it became a gimme for him....

the rest is accurate as well......the fact that FDR and LBJ liked him speaks volumes....