(07-30-2018 05:28 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: How does even more money in the pockets of 5% of the population generate more spending by the other 95%?
We’ve hit the point of fiscal lunacy.
Yes, for sure ..... EVERYONE wins when our taxes are raised. LOL!!!
Please keep your Liberal tax raising wishes to yourself and don't think that everyone is as fooled by the 1% and 5% commentary that the Left likes to promote as their D.A. followers are.
(07-30-2018 06:31 PM)Claw Wrote: I may like what he is doing, but turning to Obama's tactics to end around the Congress and the law is bull**** no matter who does it.
Agreed. I don't like legislating by EO even if I like what the EO says.
(07-30-2018 06:31 PM)Claw Wrote: I may like what he is doing, but turning to Obama's tactics to end around the Congress and the law is bull**** no matter who does it.
they call it precedent.....if it was illegal, it wouldn't be allowed today....
is it the right move in ethics.....
no.....is it available to keep pace with setting policy.....yes, it is....
one needs to either look to congress or SCOTUS to change/define the capacity within law....
there's no questioning it's a double edged sword.....
(07-30-2018 05:08 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: A wise man once said "Elections have consequences." I believe he also said ""I've got a pen and I've got a phone...and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions."
You realize FDI with China not only equalized a few years ago, but EXPLODED back into the United States right? The smart money is fleeing China as fast as it possibly can. Because without the United States maintaining Bretton-Woods China as a country isn't possible. Without the United States maintaining the international trade order, China will go back to being Japan's ***** and under Japan's military thumb for all their shipping traffic.
(07-30-2018 06:31 PM)Claw Wrote: I may like what he is doing, but turning to Obama's tactics to end around the Congress and the law is bull**** no matter who does it.
Agreed. I don't like legislating by EO even if I like what the EO says.
Not a fan of this either..but..We have an ineffective and incompetent legislative body on our hands now. EOs are quite possibly the only way to get anything done now.
it's amazing how many people who claim to be conservatives are ok with tax cuts but are cool with increasing spending. A fiscal conservative is apparently a thing of the past. The same conservatives who gave Obama sh1t for raising the debt, are the same people who are OK with the increased spending by the current administration while also adding massive tax cuts, as if the economy will just continue to magically grow.
My question is this:
When the economy hits a correction in the next 1.5-2.5 years, and the housing market falls, and the stock market falls; what will the excuse be?
(07-30-2018 07:10 PM)NCeagle Wrote: it's amazing how many people who claim to be conservatives are ok with tax cuts but are cool with increasing spending. A fiscal conservative is apparently a thing of the past. The same conservatives who gave Obama sh1t for raising the debt, are the same people who are OK with the increased spending by the current administration while also adding massive tax cuts, as if the economy will just continue to magically grow.
My question is this:
When the economy hits a correction in the next 1.5-2.5 years, and the housing market falls, and the stock market falls; what will the excuse be?
(07-30-2018 07:10 PM)NCeagle Wrote: it's amazing how many people who claim to be conservatives are ok with tax cuts but are cool with increasing spending. A fiscal conservative is apparently a thing of the past. The same conservatives who gave Obama sh1t for raising the debt, are the same people who are OK with the increased spending by the current administration while also adding massive tax cuts, as if the economy will just continue to magically grow.
My question is this:
When the economy hits a correction in the next 1.5-2.5 years, and the housing market falls, and the stock market falls; what will the excuse be?
and before those of you who can't form an intelligent thought want to just respond and call me a liberal, I'm a registered republican. However, I just happen to believe in being an actual conservative that lowers spending along with lowering taxes, not just 1 of the 2.
(07-30-2018 07:16 PM)NCeagle Wrote: and before those of you who can't form an intelligent thought want to just respond and call me a liberal, I'm a registered republican. However, I just happen to believe in being an actual conservative that lowers spending along with lowering taxes, not just 1 of the 2.
You may be a registered Republican, but the last Republicans who ran for President who were actually avowed, proven, and serious cutters of spending had last names ending in "Paul" and "Johnson". Their quick defeat says everything about the GOP on fiscal "conservatism": It's been a lie for some time now. As though we didn't learn that lesson before with Dubya and an all GOP government. Or now. I'm afraid if you're looking for real cutters, you're going to enjoy those nice "0 for (large number)" voting records that libertarians have in elections.
(07-30-2018 07:10 PM)NCeagle Wrote: it's amazing how many people who claim to be conservatives are ok with tax cuts but are cool with increasing spending. A fiscal conservative is apparently a thing of the past. The same conservatives who gave Obama sh1t for raising the debt, are the same people who are OK with the increased spending by the current administration while also adding massive tax cuts, as if the economy will just continue to magically grow.
My question is this:
When the economy hits a correction in the next 1.5-2.5 years, and the housing market falls, and the stock market falls; what will the excuse be?
lol...nice logic....
the over inflated housing valuation collapse is going to happen singing the blues moving forward......
it's you're area that's going to see growth and rising value.....
the exodus from the north and west have already begun.....
it's nothing more than shifting value.....
(This post was last modified: 07-30-2018 07:22 PM by stinkfist.)
(07-30-2018 07:16 PM)NCeagle Wrote: and before those of you who can't form an intelligent thought want to just respond and call me a liberal, I'm a registered republican. However, I just happen to believe in being an actual conservative that lowers spending along with lowering taxes, not just 1 of the 2.
You may be a registered Republican, but the last Republicans who ran for President who were actually avowed, proven, and serious cutters of spending had last names ending in "Paul" and "Johnson". Their quick defeat says everything about the GOP on fiscal "conservatism": It's been a lie for some time now. As though we didn't learn that lesson before with Dubya and an all GOP government. Or now. I'm afraid if you're looking for real cutters, you're going to enjoy those nice "0 for (large number)" voting records that libertarians have in elections.
abso-f**king-lutely.
The current GOP for the most part is just as much for bigger government as democrats, they just want to go about it in a different way.
(07-30-2018 07:10 PM)NCeagle Wrote: it's amazing how many people who claim to be conservatives are ok with tax cuts but are cool with increasing spending. A fiscal conservative is apparently a thing of the past. The same conservatives who gave Obama sh1t for raising the debt, are the same people who are OK with the increased spending by the current administration while also adding massive tax cuts, as if the economy will just continue to magically grow.
My question is this:
When the economy hits a correction in the next 1.5-2.5 years, and the housing market falls, and the stock market falls; what will the excuse be?
lol...nice logic....
the housing collapse is going to happen singing the blues moving forward......
it's you're area that's going to see growth and rising value.....
the exodus from the north and west have already begun.....
it's nothing more than shifting value.....
I didn't say the housing market would collapse. But there will be a correction in the market. It is inevitable. And, as history will repeat itself, a major upswing in the market in a short time, will bring about a major downswing to correct it.
But you still didn't answer my questions. How does our economy and country continue to grow when spending goes up, and tax income goes down?
And when the correction happen, what will the excuse be?
(07-30-2018 07:10 PM)NCeagle Wrote: it's amazing how many people who claim to be conservatives are ok with tax cuts but are cool with increasing spending. A fiscal conservative is apparently a thing of the past. The same conservatives who gave Obama sh1t for raising the debt, are the same people who are OK with the increased spending by the current administration while also adding massive tax cuts, as if the economy will just continue to magically grow.
My question is this:
When the economy hits a correction in the next 1.5-2.5 years, and the housing market falls, and the stock market falls; what will the excuse be?
lol...nice logic....
the housing collapse is going to happen singing the blues moving forward......
it's you're area that's going to see growth and rising value.....
the exodus from the north and west have already begun.....
it's nothing more than shifting value.....
I didn't say the housing market would collapse. But there will be a correction in the market. It is inevitable. And, as history will repeat itself, a major upswing in the market in a short time, will bring about a major downswing to correct it.
But you still didn't answer my questions. How does our economy and country continue to grow when spending goes up, and tax income goes down?
And when the correction happen, what will the excuse be?
GDP, trade balance, and consumer spending out of the gate come to mind....
maintaining a +4% GDP is the key to the deal......
nobody that is fiscally con wants to see increased socialized spending.....infrastructure spending is an entire other animal if done correctly.....
how much has the debt increased in the last 1.8 yrs, eh?
let's eee how this plays out the next two years.....
You realize FDI with China not only equalized a few years ago, but EXPLODED back into the United States right? The smart money is fleeing China as fast as it possibly can. Because without the United States maintaining Bretton-Woods China as a country isn't possible. Without the United States maintaining the international trade order, China will go back to being Japan's ***** and under Japan's military thumb for all their shipping traffic.
Honestly, I have no "work". Just an opinion. I'm just a guy that works 100 hours a week, doesnt make as much as you'd think, lives a Spartan existence, but always has a simplistic and basic view if many things because, well, I don't know to be honest.....
(This post was last modified: 07-30-2018 07:58 PM by thespiritof1976.)
You realize FDI with China not only equalized a few years ago, but EXPLODED back into the United States right? The smart money is fleeing China as fast as it possibly can. Because without the United States maintaining Bretton-Woods China as a country isn't possible. Without the United States maintaining the international trade order, China will go back to being Japan's ***** and under Japan's military thumb for all their shipping traffic.
You realize FDI with China not only equalized a few years ago, but EXPLODED back into the United States right? The smart money is fleeing China as fast as it possibly can. Because without the United States maintaining Bretton-Woods China as a country isn't possible. Without the United States maintaining the international trade order, China will go back to being Japan's ***** and under Japan's military thumb for all their shipping traffic.
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