(07-03-2018 04:54 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I for one would have preferred a Big Ten expansion that included Missouri. I would have liked Nebraska as #12 and then Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Iowa St. Big Ten meets Big 8.

Iowa State certainly fits, but doesn't add much value. I think if you replace them in that foursome with maybe Colorado then that would have been a really solid grouping.

Then if you could peel some ACC schools off at a later time then that would give you the most bang for the buck.

(07-04-2018 01:59 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Iowa State certainly fits, but doesn't add much value.

Depends whether you're talking about just grabbing cable boxes, like the Big Ten did in its last expansion, or looking at the number of viewers who will actually watch each team.

If it's cable boxes, the Big Ten doesn't need ISU because they have Iowa.

If you're looking at teams who draw in viewers, then a conference like the Big Ten should look for teams that draw at least as many viewers as the average Big Ten school's teams. (Why would you want to add a school that drags down your average, unless you're just grabbing cable boxes?)

Most likely, UT, OU, and ND are the only schools that would pass that above-average test for the Big Ten.

But if they still want to expand after striking out with those three, then on the actual-viewers test, Iowa State is probably ahead of Missouri, and Kansas, and maybe Colorado. ISU's fan base is larger and more enthusiastic than most would think; they absolutely have those other three beat in fan enthusiasm (with the exception of KU basketball).

FWIW, I wouldn't consider this article as being out of Rutgers. What little coverage Rutgers does get is usually slanted to the negative or filled with snarky comments. The writers at the Newark Star-Ledger and its NJ.com website, don't know much about college sports as you can tell by this list of potential expansion schools. New Jersey lies between two giant pro sports markets and the NSL sports pages always give the lions share of coverage to the pro sports teams.

(07-06-2018 02:09 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  FWIW, I wouldn't consider this article as being out of Rutgers. What little coverage Rutgers does get is usually slanted to the negative or filled with snarky comments. The writers at the Newark Star-Ledger and its NJ.com website, don't know much about college sports as you can tell by this list of potential expansion schools. New Jersey lies between two giant pro sports markets and the NSL sports pages always give the lions share of coverage to the pro sports teams.

Well about 8 of their 16 candidates were schools of regional interest tossed in to gain hits and sell papers or whatever it is they publish. What I found interesting was some of their reasoning as to why some schools might not be interested and others would. It was there that some of their comments have more closely come line with what I've heard from credible sources or simply know to be true. Buffalo, Army, etc. was just tossed into widen interest.

i got news for u
B-10 at least, has Buffalo on a list somewhere

(07-07-2018 12:41 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  i got news for u
B-10 at least, has Buffalo on a list somewhere

The list of schools it will never ever add?

ok, give me a list on who closer

(07-08-2018 07:01 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-07-2018 12:41 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  i got news for u
B-10 at least, has Buffalo on a list somewhere

The list of schools it will never ever add?

The list of schools to schedule for September non-conference games that even Minnesota and Rutgers might win.

(07-03-2018 02:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Virginia has a small student body (only 16.6K undergrads), which is far smaller than any public school in the B1G. That is a problem. Also DMV is already in the B1G fold with Maryland.

Academics at Virginia are excellent though.

They would fit right in with Michigan, Northwestern, University of Chicago, Wisconsin on the academic side.

Plus they have a very nice football stadium and play in a larger college town than what Virginia Tech or UNC have to work with.

(07-08-2018 12:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-08-2018 07:01 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-07-2018 12:41 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  i got news for u
B-10 at least, has Buffalo on a list somewhere

The list of schools it will never ever add?

The list of schools to schedule for September non-conference games that even Minnesota and Rutgers might win.

Buffalo should probably be like UMass.....A10 basketball with independent FB. They can't however go without a conference and sacrifice the TV money.

(07-08-2018 08:45 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  ok, give me a list on who closer

I think a realistic Big 10 expansion candidate list would look something like this. Not that all (or any) would accept, roughly in this order.
Notre Dame
Texas
Florida State
North Carolina
Georgia Tech
Virginia
Missouri
Kentucky
Kansas

Can be added to close a deal with someone else
Duke
Oklahoma

Solid article. I still think that the B1G will look East and South for when it looks to expand next - whenever that point is. In a perfect world, they would snatch Virginia, North Carolina, Duke and Georgia Tech. With those four, you transition into a 9-team Eastern Division, along with Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan. Michigan/Michigan State would need to be a protected crossover, obviously, but everything else works. Everyone else would be in the Western Division.

Now, if they are unable to convince those four to move (which is very likely), then they can pivot west. Oklahoma, IMO, would be the key. If you can get Oklahoma in tow, you can most likely get Kansas, followed by Texas. For #18, they can look at acquiring Colorado, Iowa State (which has very strong fan support and solid football/basketball), or Missouri. My guess is that the B1G would be able to secure one of them. In this scenario, you would have Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois and #9 (Colorado/Iowa State/Missouri) in the West, with the rest in the East.

(07-08-2018 05:50 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Solid article. I still think that the B1G will look East and South for when it looks to expand next - whenever that point is. In a perfect world, they would snatch Virginia, North Carolina, Duke and Georgia Tech. With those four, you transition into a 9-team Eastern Division, along with Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan. Michigan/Michigan State would need to be a protected crossover, obviously, but everything else works. Everyone else would be in the Western Division.

Now, if they are unable to convince those four to move (which is very likely), then they can pivot west. Oklahoma, IMO, would be the key. If you can get Oklahoma in tow, you can most likely get Kansas, followed by Texas. For #18, they can look at acquiring Colorado, Iowa State (which has very strong fan support and solid football/basketball), or Missouri. My guess is that the B1G would be able to secure one of them. In this scenario, you would have Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois and #9 (Colorado/Iowa State/Missouri) in the West, with the rest in the East.

I suspect there are no qualifiers on the interest of Kansas toward the Big 10. Being able to be in a conference that won't crumble if one specific team leaves has a value of its own.

(07-08-2018 12:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-08-2018 07:01 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-07-2018 12:41 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  i got news for u
B-10 at least, has Buffalo on a list somewhere

The list of schools it will never ever add?

The list of schools to schedule for September non-conference games that even Minnesota and Rutgers might win.

6-1 all time Baby!

(07-03-2018 01:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-03-2018 12:07 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Notre Dame - sure obvious target
Oklahoma and Texas - sure obvious targets
Arizona - I don't think they'd want to ruin their relationship with the Pac12 over Arizona. If they take from the Pac 12 they're going to take at least 6 schools and form a Western Division. Washington, Oregon and the 4 California schools. Maybe Arizona if the numbers work out right.
Army - Never happen.
Buffalo - Never happen.
Cincinnati - Never happen.
Colorado - Probably never happen.
Iowa State - Never happen.
Kansas - If the B1G gets Oklahoma and Texas they might want Kansas to keep their footprint contiguous. Very likely if the B1G gets Oklahoma.
Navy - Never happen.
Rice - Never happen.
Temple - Never happen.
UConn - Never happen.
UMass - Never happen.
WVU - Never happen.

Their potential targets are pretty obvious: Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Virginia, maybe Duke (academics and basketball would be the excuse). I agree on all of those you say would never happen but I think the article was targeted to draw hits from remote hopefuls in the region.

Since Oklahoma and Texas are the ones to be available potentially in 2024 and it will be 2035 before they ever get to consider the ACC then I think we know who they will target, along with the SEC.

Texas is not going to play the nearest true road game in Lincoln, Nebraska. I don't understand why geography is trotted out as a problem with WVU in the Big 12, but then the same doesn't apply with Texas travelling nearly 800 miles to its nearest true road game. I'll believe Texas to the B1G when it happens. I can buy Texas to Pac with a group of B12 schools, but the B1G has always felt distant and far fetched, even with OU included.

UT travelling with just OU to B1G would be the formal surrender of the program to TAMU as the program of interest in the state.

edit: Omaha to Lincoln for the pedants

(07-09-2018 10:23 AM)Baylorbears11 Wrote:  

(07-03-2018 01:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-03-2018 12:07 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Notre Dame - sure obvious target
Oklahoma and Texas - sure obvious targets
Arizona - I don't think they'd want to ruin their relationship with the Pac12 over Arizona. If they take from the Pac 12 they're going to take at least 6 schools and form a Western Division. Washington, Oregon and the 4 California schools. Maybe Arizona if the numbers work out right.
Army - Never happen.
Buffalo - Never happen.
Cincinnati - Never happen.
Colorado - Probably never happen.
Iowa State - Never happen.
Kansas - If the B1G gets Oklahoma and Texas they might want Kansas to keep their footprint contiguous. Very likely if the B1G gets Oklahoma.
Navy - Never happen.
Rice - Never happen.
Temple - Never happen.
UConn - Never happen.
UMass - Never happen.
WVU - Never happen.

Their potential targets are pretty obvious: Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Virginia, maybe Duke (academics and basketball would be the excuse). I agree on all of those you say would never happen but I think the article was targeted to draw hits from remote hopefuls in the region.

Since Oklahoma and Texas are the ones to be available potentially in 2024 and it will be 2035 before they ever get to consider the ACC then I think we know who they will target, along with the SEC.

Texas is not going to play the nearest true road game in Omaha, Nebraska. I don't understand why geography is trotted out as a problem with WVU in the Big 12, but then the same doesn't apply with Texas travelling nearly 800 miles to its nearest true road game. I'll believe Texas to the B1G when it happens. I can buy Texas to Pac with a group of B12 schools, but the B1G has always felt distant and far fetched, even with OU included.

UT travelling with just OU to B1G would be the formal surrender of the program to TAMU as the program of interest in the state.

. Agreed...

(07-09-2018 10:23 AM)Baylorbears11 Wrote:  

(07-03-2018 01:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-03-2018 12:07 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Notre Dame - sure obvious target
Oklahoma and Texas - sure obvious targets
Arizona - I don't think they'd want to ruin their relationship with the Pac12 over Arizona. If they take from the Pac 12 they're going to take at least 6 schools and form a Western Division. Washington, Oregon and the 4 California schools. Maybe Arizona if the numbers work out right.
Army - Never happen.
Buffalo - Never happen.
Cincinnati - Never happen.
Colorado - Probably never happen.
Iowa State - Never happen.
Kansas - If the B1G gets Oklahoma and Texas they might want Kansas to keep their footprint contiguous. Very likely if the B1G gets Oklahoma.
Navy - Never happen.
Rice - Never happen.
Temple - Never happen.
UConn - Never happen.
UMass - Never happen.
WVU - Never happen.

Their potential targets are pretty obvious: Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Virginia, maybe Duke (academics and basketball would be the excuse). I agree on all of those you say would never happen but I think the article was targeted to draw hits from remote hopefuls in the region.

Since Oklahoma and Texas are the ones to be available potentially in 2024 and it will be 2035 before they ever get to consider the ACC then I think we know who they will target, along with the SEC.

Texas is not going to play the nearest true road game in Omaha, Nebraska. I don't understand why geography is trotted out as a problem with WVU in the Big 12, but then the same doesn't apply with Texas travelling nearly 800 miles to its nearest true road game. I'll believe Texas to the B1G when it happens. I can buy Texas to Pac with a group of B12 schools, but the B1G has always felt distant and far fetched, even with OU included.

UT travelling with just OU to B1G would be the formal surrender of the program to TAMU as the program of interest in the state.

If Texas goes to the Big10 it will not be playing its nearest road game at Omaha, Nebraska (there is no P5 school there to play) or Lincoln for that matter.

They will not be going alone. Texas will never settle for being on an island alone. Almost certainly they will go with Kansas, Oklahoma and probably Missouri. So they would likely be in a division with Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois. That is six states from the Big8.

(07-09-2018 10:23 AM)Baylorbears11 Wrote:  

(07-03-2018 01:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-03-2018 12:07 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Notre Dame - sure obvious target
Oklahoma and Texas - sure obvious targets
Arizona - I don't think they'd want to ruin their relationship with the Pac12 over Arizona. If they take from the Pac 12 they're going to take at least 6 schools and form a Western Division. Washington, Oregon and the 4 California schools. Maybe Arizona if the numbers work out right.
Army - Never happen.
Buffalo - Never happen.
Cincinnati - Never happen.
Colorado - Probably never happen.
Iowa State - Never happen.
Kansas - If the B1G gets Oklahoma and Texas they might want Kansas to keep their footprint contiguous. Very likely if the B1G gets Oklahoma.
Navy - Never happen.
Rice - Never happen.
Temple - Never happen.
UConn - Never happen.
UMass - Never happen.
WVU - Never happen.

Their potential targets are pretty obvious: Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Virginia, maybe Duke (academics and basketball would be the excuse). I agree on all of those you say would never happen but I think the article was targeted to draw hits from remote hopefuls in the region.

Since Oklahoma and Texas are the ones to be available potentially in 2024 and it will be 2035 before they ever get to consider the ACC then I think we know who they will target, along with the SEC.

Texas is not going to play the nearest true road game in Omaha, Nebraska. I don't understand why geography is trotted out as a problem with WVU in the Big 12, but then the same doesn't apply with Texas travelling nearly 800 miles to its nearest true road game. I'll believe Texas to the B1G when it happens. I can buy Texas to Pac with a group of B12 schools, but the B1G has always felt distant and far fetched, even with OU included.

UT travelling with just OU to B1G would be the formal surrender of the program to TAMU as the program of interest in the state.

There's a big difference between what the Big 10 wants and what they will get. We are talking about who they want with regard to the OP. In 2010 they wanted Virginia and North Carolina. They got Maryland and Rutgers. All conferences shoot for the moon but have more realistic fall back positions. In 2010 the SEC shot for A&M and OU, but once A&M committed and Boren insisted on OSU, and we only wanted to expand by 2 (mostly because that was what was required to renegotiate our contract with ESPN which required two new markets), then Missouri became the fallback to 14. The SEC couldn't add OU & OSU because that wouldn't be 2 new markets. And there was no way we were giving up on the Aggies. So ESPN liked Missouri for markets. The Big 10 liked Maryland and Rutgers for markets.

The two biggest fish left in the pond are Texas and Oklahoma. Everybody will be after them. But that doesn't mean that anyone is going to catch them, let alone catch them both.

However, I agree with your analysis here. It has been my contention that in the end geography matters if for no other reasons than fan travel (they are your clientele base) and expenses (being an outlier for minor sports is costly). In the cases of Texas and Oklahoma overall sports fit will matter as well and that doesn't favor the Big 10.

(07-09-2018 01:11 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 10:23 AM)Baylorbears11 Wrote:  

(07-03-2018 01:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-03-2018 12:07 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Notre Dame - sure obvious target
Oklahoma and Texas - sure obvious targets
Arizona - I don't think they'd want to ruin their relationship with the Pac12 over Arizona. If they take from the Pac 12 they're going to take at least 6 schools and form a Western Division. Washington, Oregon and the 4 California schools. Maybe Arizona if the numbers work out right.
Army - Never happen.
Buffalo - Never happen.
Cincinnati - Never happen.
Colorado - Probably never happen.
Iowa State - Never happen.
Kansas - If the B1G gets Oklahoma and Texas they might want Kansas to keep their footprint contiguous. Very likely if the B1G gets Oklahoma.
Navy - Never happen.
Rice - Never happen.
Temple - Never happen.
UConn - Never happen.
UMass - Never happen.
WVU - Never happen.

Their potential targets are pretty obvious: Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Virginia, maybe Duke (academics and basketball would be the excuse). I agree on all of those you say would never happen but I think the article was targeted to draw hits from remote hopefuls in the region.

Since Oklahoma and Texas are the ones to be available potentially in 2024 and it will be 2035 before they ever get to consider the ACC then I think we know who they will target, along with the SEC.

Texas is not going to play the nearest true road game in Omaha, Nebraska. I don't understand why geography is trotted out as a problem with WVU in the Big 12, but then the same doesn't apply with Texas travelling nearly 800 miles to its nearest true road game. I'll believe Texas to the B1G when it happens. I can buy Texas to Pac with a group of B12 schools, but the B1G has always felt distant and far fetched, even with OU included.

UT travelling with just OU to B1G would be the formal surrender of the program to TAMU as the program of interest in the state.

If Texas goes to the Big10 it will not be playing its nearest road game at Omaha, Nebraska (there is no P5 school there to play) or Lincoln for that matter. How about Norman, Oklahoma.....

They will not be going alone. Texas will never settle for being on an island alone. Almost certainly they will go with Kansas, Oklahoma and probably Missouri. So they would likely be in a division with Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois. That is six states from the Big8.

Missouri is under a GOR with ESPN for the SECN until 2034. In your scenario the other school would likely have to be Iowa State.

(07-09-2018 01:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 01:11 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 10:23 AM)Baylorbears11 Wrote:  

(07-03-2018 01:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-03-2018 12:07 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Notre Dame - sure obvious target
Oklahoma and Texas - sure obvious targets
Arizona - I don't think they'd want to ruin their relationship with the Pac12 over Arizona. If they take from the Pac 12 they're going to take at least 6 schools and form a Western Division. Washington, Oregon and the 4 California schools. Maybe Arizona if the numbers work out right.
Army - Never happen.
Buffalo - Never happen.
Cincinnati - Never happen.
Colorado - Probably never happen.
Iowa State - Never happen.
Kansas - If the B1G gets Oklahoma and Texas they might want Kansas to keep their footprint contiguous. Very likely if the B1G gets Oklahoma.
Navy - Never happen.
Rice - Never happen.
Temple - Never happen.
UConn - Never happen.
UMass - Never happen.
WVU - Never happen.

Their potential targets are pretty obvious: Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Virginia, maybe Duke (academics and basketball would be the excuse). I agree on all of those you say would never happen but I think the article was targeted to draw hits from remote hopefuls in the region.

Since Oklahoma and Texas are the ones to be available potentially in 2024 and it will be 2035 before they ever get to consider the ACC then I think we know who they will target, along with the SEC.

Texas is not going to play the nearest true road game in Omaha, Nebraska. I don't understand why geography is trotted out as a problem with WVU in the Big 12, but then the same doesn't apply with Texas travelling nearly 800 miles to its nearest true road game. I'll believe Texas to the B1G when it happens. I can buy Texas to Pac with a group of B12 schools, but the B1G has always felt distant and far fetched, even with OU included.

UT travelling with just OU to B1G would be the formal surrender of the program to TAMU as the program of interest in the state.

If Texas goes to the Big10 it will not be playing its nearest road game at Omaha, Nebraska (there is no P5 school there to play) or Lincoln for that matter. How about Norman, Oklahoma.....

They will not be going alone. Texas will never settle for being on an island alone. Almost certainly they will go with Kansas, Oklahoma and probably Missouri. So they would likely be in a division with Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois. That is six states from the Big8.

Missouri is under a GOR with ESPN for the SECN until 2034. In your scenario the other school would likely have to be Iowa State.

When did the SEC sign a GOR?