(04-04-2018 08:10 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I doubt Dooley will make a difference there but he will get paid a lot of money. ECU has always been overrated in every sport other than baseball that it makes me wonder what coaches think when they apply for a job there.

Dooley is no stranger to ECU. He knows about whatever struggles come with the job so if he's coming back now clearly he feels he can win here. He's not a coach without options.

I've seen the level of recruit he can get to ECU with half of what we had to sale today. The guy landed 10 or 12 major transfers and players as good as the #2 player on 247 in NC to play in the ASun.

https://247sports.com/Season/2015-Basket...l&State=NC

You get a top 130 recruit to the ASun you can recruit IMO.

(04-04-2018 08:10 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I doubt Dooley will make a difference there but he will get paid a lot of money. ECU has always been overrated in every sport other than baseball that it makes me wonder what coaches think when they apply for a job there. Right now they are about the 12th best D1 basketball program in NC and could be even worse. The base is so out of touch with reality it is unreal.

Overrated in football? No, yes we have sucked the last 2 years, but on the whole, no.

(04-04-2018 09:20 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:10 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I doubt Dooley will make a difference there but he will get paid a lot of money. ECU has always been overrated in every sport other than baseball that it makes me wonder what coaches think when they apply for a job there. Right now they are about the 12th best D1 basketball program in NC and could be even worse. The base is so out of touch with reality it is unreal.

Overrated in football? No, yes we have sucked the last 2 years, but on the whole, no.

Even when "good" still not P5 level good.

(04-04-2018 09:17 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:10 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I doubt Dooley will make a difference there but he will get paid a lot of money. ECU has always been overrated in every sport other than baseball that it makes me wonder what coaches think when they apply for a job there.

Dooley is no stranger to ECU. He knows about whatever struggles come with the job so if he's coming back now clearly he feels he can win here. He's not a coach without options, this is probably unfinished business to him.

I've seen the level of recruit he can get to ECU with half of what we had to sale today. The guy landed 10 or 12 major transfers and players as good as the #2 player on 247 in NC to play in the ASun.

https://247sports.com/Season/2015-Basket...l&State=NC

You get a top 130 recruit to the ASun you can recruit IMO.

I agree with this... The ECU fans should be excited about this hire. ECU has it's obstacles, but so did SMU and Houston. There is plenty of talent around here for him to turn that program around. I'm not saying they'll compete with the top teams in their conference, but there is no reason he can't have them playing above .500 basketball within his first two years. He already has the conference freshman of the year on his roster. I hope UNCW and ECU are able to renew their scheduling of each other after 2018, I enjoy the rivalry. It has potential to get even better, now that both schools have pretty darn good coaches.

(04-04-2018 09:21 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:20 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:10 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I doubt Dooley will make a difference there but he will get paid a lot of money. ECU has always been overrated in every sport other than baseball that it makes me wonder what coaches think when they apply for a job there. Right now they are about the 12th best D1 basketball program in NC and could be even worse. The base is so out of touch with reality it is unreal.

Overrated in football? No, yes we have sucked the last 2 years, but on the whole, no.

Even when "good" still not P5 level good.

I don't even know what that means. We just recently had a 6 game winning streak over the ACC.

(04-04-2018 08:29 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  It all boils down to if you want to be a bottom dweller in a better conference or studs in a slightly lower conference.

That's never been the two options for ECU though. Even in a lesser conference, they'd be bottom dwellers in basketball. They'd never be a stud in ANY conference given their track record.

So might as well let your football team carry you to a better conference, and have your basketball team at least get some decent revenue when big-name teams come to town.

That all changes now with Dooley, however. They can compete in the AAC with him as their head coach. Certainly not at the top of the league, but at least middle-of-the-pack is a possibility for them. So now ECU will start to see some of that upside pay off.

(04-04-2018 09:26 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:21 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:20 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:10 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I doubt Dooley will make a difference there but he will get paid a lot of money. ECU has always been overrated in every sport other than baseball that it makes me wonder what coaches think when they apply for a job there. Right now they are about the 12th best D1 basketball program in NC and could be even worse. The base is so out of touch with reality it is unreal.

Overrated in football? No, yes we have sucked the last 2 years, but on the whole, no.

Even when "good" still not P5 level good.

I don't even know what that means. We just recently had a 6 game winning streak over the ACC.

I'm not going to touch this as to derail this conversation, but if you want to talk about EZ playing football with the big boys we can do so on the smack thread, in fact i posted some numbers there for you. Enjoy!

Are we sure Dooley is going to be the coach, as of right now it has not been done, he still could be holding them off to try to get the Rhode island job.

(04-04-2018 09:35 AM)Rueben Kincaid Wrote:  Are we sure Dooley is going to be the coach, as of right now it has not been done, he still could be holding them off to try to get the Rhode island job.

That would be hilarious if it played out that way. But I sincerely doubt it.

(04-04-2018 09:31 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:29 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  It all boils down to if you want to be a bottom dweller in a better conference or studs in a slightly lower conference.

That's never been the two options for ECU though. Even in a lesser conference, they'd be bottom dwellers in basketball. They'd never be a stud in ANY conference given their track record.

So might as well let your football team carry you to a better conference, and have your basketball team at least get some decent revenue when big-name teams come to town.

It still doesn't make any sense why they are bottom dwellers in basketball. They have the money. Minges is a nice facility, even though they struggle to get 1,000 people to a game. The area is flooded with talent. They just need the right fit to guide the program. Dooley's background is as good as ECU could've gotten. Hypothetically speaking, I believe UNCW could've competed in the AAC in the previous two seasons (15/16, 16/17) in basketball and would've probably been a bubble team. No reason with the right coach, ECU can't expect the same during peak seasons.

(04-04-2018 09:36 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:35 AM)Rueben Kincaid Wrote:  Are we sure Dooley is going to be the coach, as of right now it has not been done, he still could be holding them off to try to get the Rhode island job.

That would be hilarious if it played out that way. But I sincerely doubt it.

Sources at the school seem to be pretty sure of it, but man wouldn't that be quite the payback for his unjust firing years ago.

(04-04-2018 09:41 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:36 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:35 AM)Rueben Kincaid Wrote:  Are we sure Dooley is going to be the coach, as of right now it has not been done, he still could be holding them off to try to get the Rhode island job.

That would be hilarious if it played out that way. But I sincerely doubt it.

Sources at the school seem to be pretty sure of it, but man wouldn't that be quite the payback for his unjust firing years ago.

That thought has crossed my mind. The guy had David West committed when he was fired, returned the preseason CAA POY by SI, and had a top 100 player named Randy Barnes signed as well sitting out. How could you not be bitter about what could have been. When Kansas won the title he was interviewed on the radio locally and brought up the fact he had West so it was clearly something he still thought about. It would be a 20 year troll job. I think that's highly unlikley but it wouldn't be totally unjustified. It's pretty unprecedented to rehire a coach you fired, I can't think of another example.

I imagine it will get done but Dooley seems to have a real hard time making a decision. I think he will come in and recruiting will pick up immediately.

FGCU has to be feeling good. I've never seen a coach trying to leave so overtly in my life!

(04-04-2018 09:40 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:31 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:29 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  It all boils down to if you want to be a bottom dweller in a better conference or studs in a slightly lower conference.

That's never been the two options for ECU though. Even in a lesser conference, they'd be bottom dwellers in basketball. They'd never be a stud in ANY conference given their track record.

So might as well let your football team carry you to a better conference, and have your basketball team at least get some decent revenue when big-name teams come to town.

It still doesn't make any sense why they are bottom dwellers in basketball. They have the money. Minges is a nice facility, even though they struggle to get 1,000 people to a game. The area is flooded with talent. They just need the right fit to guide the program. Dooley's background is as good as ECU could've gotten. Hypothetically speaking, I believe UNCW could've competed in the AAC in the previous two seasons (15/16, 16/17) in basketball and would've probably been a bubble team. No reason with the right coach, ECU can't expect the same during peak seasons.

I am going on basketball history and it tells me they are not a good basketball school now and never have been for any length of time. The place has good facilities but its in the middle of a total crap hole. I remember the Dooley teams there and I have to say they were good for ECU but not exactly a reason I would rehire the guy to build anything. If he takes the job it most likely means he is the next basketball coach to get fired at ECU in a few years. I just don't see it happpening for Dooley at ECU and he would be better off where he is now.

(04-04-2018 03:17 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:40 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:31 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:29 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  It all boils down to if you want to be a bottom dweller in a better conference or studs in a slightly lower conference.

That's never been the two options for ECU though. Even in a lesser conference, they'd be bottom dwellers in basketball. They'd never be a stud in ANY conference given their track record.

So might as well let your football team carry you to a better conference, and have your basketball team at least get some decent revenue when big-name teams come to town.

It still doesn't make any sense why they are bottom dwellers in basketball. They have the money. Minges is a nice facility, even though they struggle to get 1,000 people to a game. The area is flooded with talent. They just need the right fit to guide the program. Dooley's background is as good as ECU could've gotten. Hypothetically speaking, I believe UNCW could've competed in the AAC in the previous two seasons (15/16, 16/17) in basketball and would've probably been a bubble team. No reason with the right coach, ECU can't expect the same during peak seasons.

I am going on basketball history and it tells me they are not a good basketball school now and never have been for any length of time. The place has good facilities but its in the middle of a total crap hole. I remember the Dooley teams there and I have to say they were good for ECU but not exactly a reason I would rehire the guy to build anything. If he takes the job it most likely means he is the next basketball coach to get fired at ECU in a few years. I just don't see it happpening for Dooley at ECU and he would be better off where he is now.

UNCW fans keep smacking where Greenville is, I've seen this over and over again over the years. While yes, my post college days I would prefer to live in Wilmington over Greenville. It can easily be argued from ages 18-25 there is a lot more to do in Greenville than Wilmington.

Anyway, I am bullish on Dooley, I think he will get it done here. You're looking at one of the biggest Lebo bashers on the planet, I also took the prior staff to task. This time it's different imo.

(04-04-2018 03:17 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:40 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:31 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:29 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  It all boils down to if you want to be a bottom dweller in a better conference or studs in a slightly lower conference.

That's never been the two options for ECU though. Even in a lesser conference, they'd be bottom dwellers in basketball. They'd never be a stud in ANY conference given their track record.

So might as well let your football team carry you to a better conference, and have your basketball team at least get some decent revenue when big-name teams come to town.

It still doesn't make any sense why they are bottom dwellers in basketball. They have the money. Minges is a nice facility, even though they struggle to get 1,000 people to a game. The area is flooded with talent. They just need the right fit to guide the program. Dooley's background is as good as ECU could've gotten. Hypothetically speaking, I believe UNCW could've competed in the AAC in the previous two seasons (15/16, 16/17) in basketball and would've probably been a bubble team. No reason with the right coach, ECU can't expect the same during peak seasons.

I am going on basketball history and it tells me they are not a good basketball school now and never have been for any length of time. The place has good facilities but its in the middle of a total crap hole. I remember the Dooley teams there and I have to say they were good for ECU but not exactly a reason I would rehire the guy to build anything. If he takes the job it most likely means he is the next basketball coach to get fired at ECU in a few years. I just don't see it happpening for Dooley at ECU and he would be better off where he is now.

Is Greenville a nice place to live? Does ECU have a history of success? Is there continuity in the athletic program? Does the AD have a long-term vision, and will he be around to see that vision to fruition? After you answer those questions, can you say with confidence that ECU has the pieces in place for any coach to have sustained success? It is a tough basketball job!

(04-04-2018 03:17 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I am going on basketball history and it tells me they are not a good basketball school now and never have been for any length of time.

What good is history doing over in Charlotte the last decade? That's a program that went to a Final 4 and had top 25 teams. You are only as good as your current coach, simple as that. Foundational things like facilities, conference and resources will determine what kind of coach you can both get or retain as well and help with the players he can then attract. If you hire a Benny Moss or Ricky Stokes you will suck period and history doesn't make a hill of beans to anything really unless you built good facilities and foundational things when you were good.

Quote:The place has good facilities but its in the middle of a total crap hole.

That's your opinion. He's leaving Naples, FL to come to back to Greenville. The 1 million plus he will get here will certainly go a lot farther here too.

Quote: I remember the Dooley teams there and I have to say they were good for ECU but not exactly a reason I would rehire the guy to build anything.

He was 29 years old when he got the job. You think being with Bill Self for a decade and all the other experiences he has had haven't made him a better coach at 52? He had a 97 RPI team in the CAA on a shoestring budget when he was 30 years old. He will now have schools like UConn and Cincy and nearly every game on ESPN to sell to recruits.

Quote:If he takes the job it most likely means he is the next basketball coach to get fired at ECU in a few years. I just don't see it happpening for Dooley at ECU and he would be better off where he is now.

275k at FGCU or the million plus to coach here. It's not like the expectations are even outrageous of most jobs paying that much. I don't think you can compare the job today to what it was 5 years ago much less 25 when he got to ECU which is why it's a stupid anyway. It's not the same job and just because Ricky Stokes or whoever couldn't win here says nothing about anyone else.

Back on topic

Did you guys see UT Arlington fired their uber successful coach so the AD could go hire his buddy?

Sound familiar to anyone?

(04-04-2018 03:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Back on topic

Did you guys see UT Arlington fired their uber successful coach so the AD could go hire his buddy?

Sound familiar to anyone?

That was the worst firing I think I have ever seen.

Not only was he a 43 year old alum who had never been anywhere else as a coach or player, but they are trying to resign him to the administration so he will quit and save them 700k he is owed. That's classless.

He averaged 24 wins the last 3 years and was a buzzer beater away from the NCAA's this year I believe. He had taken them to their only NCAA ever as well so it wasn't like they were trying to recapture old glory.