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RE: Championship Week
(03-07-2018 09:55 AM)WingsUp Wrote:  I'm sure its been talked about on here before but I'd prefer that our conference let the #1 seed host the tournament. I wasn't around for the Richmond years, but the attendance in Baltimore and Charleston has been pretty bad. With Elon and JMU building new arenas most schools could handle it. Is this a crazy idea?

It's not a crazy idea at all. Honestly i think they would sell more tickets. The only risk there is you could end up in a city like Boston or Philly that doesn't draw.
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RE: Championship Week
I don't mind the "Home Court Advantages" of the CAA tournament too much, but I do think it's absurd to go back to Charleston 3 years in a row. If you're not going to have the tournament at a true neutral site (Richmond) every year. Then there should be a rotation. Charleston, Hampton, Baltimore, and Richmond all make sense and would be a fair 4 year rotation. CofC basically being a 3 year host of the tournament is not only a home court advantage, it's also a recruiting advantage. Real easy to sell recruits on the idea that a conference championship will be won, when you're playing at home at least 3 out of their 4 years on campus.
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(03-07-2018 09:55 AM)WingsUp Wrote:  I'm sure its been talked about on here before but I'd prefer that our conference let the #1 seed host the tournament. I wasn't around for the Richmond years, but the attendance in Baltimore and Charleston has been pretty bad. With Elon and JMU building new arenas most schools could handle it. Is this a crazy idea?

You missed some great years. However anyone who went to Richmond while VCU was good, had legit gripes as to an advantage. They had a strong fan base who sold out their arena constantly, so giving them a bigger arena to fill also was not hard. So instead of the 7/8k or whatever the Stu holds, the RC allowed them 10-12k. It was brutal.

I remember in a game after Drexel won (which hardly ever happened) VCU was against Mason (who brought their own strong crowd). VCU started the game on some crazy run 12,14-0? something like that. The place was literally deafening. Couldnt hear yourself think yet alone the person next to you. My head was hurting and I was at the highest point of that dump seating wise. That was my turning point to realizing that we needed to do better as a conference (rotating it or something else). To watch another large fan base totally killed because of that volume and watch how defeated the visitors were was quite something, especially since they were not even the top seed. Now in fairness VCU fans would have traveled about anywhere, which is awesome, but the availability of not having to leave town to attend the most important games of the season, to me, left a lot to be desired for the conference.

It is why I am a fan of rotating it. I am also a fan of finding a neutral site for the semis and finals. I am also ok with the #1 seed hosting the entire thing as a reward for the regular season (despite that this could cause the same type of issue as the RC had with good VCU teams). The problem is nobody wants our conference and our leaders need to do a better job getting places to realize that there is still great basketball played. This all plays into tv deals and marketability of the conference which also includes securing venues for the conference tournament.
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Here is the rest of the schedule.

Tickets punched:

ASUN: Lipscomb
Big South: Radford
Big 10: Michigan
CAA: Charleston
Horizon: Wright State
MAAC: Iona
MVC: Loyola-Chicago
NEC: LIU Brooklyn
OVC: Murray State
SoCon: UNCG
Summit: SDSU
WCC: Gonzaga

Tickets punched tonight (3/7):
Patriot: Colgate vs Bucknell

Tickets to be punched 3/8:
None

Tickets to be punched 3/9:
None

Tickets to be punched 3/10:
AE: UMBC vs Vermont
MEAC
Big12
MWC
Big East
MAC
Big Sky
ACC
CUSA
Southland
PAC12
WAC
Big West


Tickets to be punched 3/11:
Ivy
SEC
A10
Sun Belt
AAC
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Yep. Last night was definitely a homecourt advantage for CofC. Last night’s crowd was 7,945. And probably 7,745 of those were pulling for CofC. You had Northeastern’s band, like 10-15 students and that one section they had.

I’ve probably been in NCC over 50 times for many events (Bruce Springsteen concerts, Stingrays hockey games, high school and college graduations) and last night when they made that comeback was maybe the loudest I had ever heard it. Louder than TD Arena has gotten in several years.

Having the students was an even bigger advantage than last year when UNCW was playing. That night, it was spring break, and CofC maybe had 100 or so students. Last night, they were putting students way up in the upper deck. A lot of people got there late and swelled the crowd from what it looked like it was going to be (maybe 5K) to what it was.
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Another CofC fan here...
Absolutely agree with the idea of higher seed hosting until a semifinal weekend. It was an idea I had considered for the SOCON back when we were in it.

I could get on board with higher seed hosting all the way through though that is obviously a massive advantage to the top seed and travel would be tricky for a conference as spread out as the CAA. At the end of the day it is in the best interests of the conference to have the best team win in a given year.

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I don't mind the tournament being in Charleston. It's not their fault that Northeastern simply doesn't have a basketball fanbase to speak of.

Having a host school or # 1 host would be disastrous if that ends up going to a northern school. Even going to Baltimore was a bad idea. "Neutral" or "central" locations sound good, but only really worked when this was a Virginia-based league. Now that the league is spread out, with the best fanbases being in the south, there is zero reason to try to find a geographic center that will get you solid attendance. It doesn't exist.

The northern schools can complain all they want, but they won't get decent attendance even if the tournament ends up in Philly or Boston. Until that happens, they have no right to complain. Just enjoy your vacation to a southern city. There has to be a lot worse things than having high 50's or better temperatures to enjoy. Meanwhile, while the CAA tournament was going on, there was a Nor'easter going on up north, causing miserable weather.

I get that we have limited options, because only 2-3 cities end up bidding for the tournament on a year-to-year basis. But until there's no other options, rotating host school/# 1 seed for the whole tournament is a really bad idea.
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(03-07-2018 11:24 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  I don't mind the tournament being in Charleston. It's not their fault that Northeastern simply doesn't have a basketball fanbase to speak of.

Having a host school or # 1 host would be disastrous if that ends up going to a northern school. Even going to Baltimore was a bad idea. "Neutral" or "central" locations sound good, but only really worked when this was a Virginia-based league. Now that the league is spread out, with the best fanbases being in the south, there is zero reason to try to find a geographic center that will get you solid attendance. It doesn't exist.

The northern schools can complain all they want, but they won't get decent attendance even if the tournament ends up in Philly or Boston. Until that happens, they have no right to complain. Just enjoy your vacation to a southern city. There has to be a lot worse things than having high 50's or better temperatures to enjoy. Meanwhile, while the CAA tournament was going on, there was a Nor'easter going on up north, causing miserable weather.

I get that we have limited options, because only 2-3 cities end up bidding for the tournament on a year-to-year basis. But until there's no other options, rotating host school/# 1 seed for the whole tournament is a really bad idea.

Your weather argument is weak.

There are plenty of tournaments held in the North and Midwest. It’s wasnt all that warm and balmy in the Low Country the last few days either.

You would be a fool not to attend a tourney to root for your team just because of a little cold or snow. So what.

The Nor’Easter started after the title game ...
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(03-07-2018 10:52 PM)geewizNU Wrote:  
(03-07-2018 11:24 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  I don't mind the tournament being in Charleston. It's not their fault that Northeastern simply doesn't have a basketball fanbase to speak of.

Having a host school or # 1 host would be disastrous if that ends up going to a northern school. Even going to Baltimore was a bad idea. "Neutral" or "central" locations sound good, but only really worked when this was a Virginia-based league. Now that the league is spread out, with the best fanbases being in the south, there is zero reason to try to find a geographic center that will get you solid attendance. It doesn't exist.

The northern schools can complain all they want, but they won't get decent attendance even if the tournament ends up in Philly or Boston. Until that happens, they have no right to complain. Just enjoy your vacation to a southern city. There has to be a lot worse things than having high 50's or better temperatures to enjoy. Meanwhile, while the CAA tournament was going on, there was a Nor'easter going on up north, causing miserable weather.

I get that we have limited options, because only 2-3 cities end up bidding for the tournament on a year-to-year basis. But until there's no other options, rotating host school/# 1 seed for the whole tournament is a really bad idea.

Your weather argument is weak.

There are plenty of tournaments held in the North and Midwest. It’s wasnt all that warm and balmy in the Low Country the last few days either.

You would be a fool not to attend a tourney to root for your team just because of a little cold or snow. So what.

The Nor’Easter started after the title game ...


It's a roll the dice situation weather/travel wise. It's great the NorÉaster started after the title game, but that was pure luck. I don't have a great solution, The problem with the CAA is that we have regional fan bases in a conference that stretches from Charleston SC to New York. There is no place to have a tournament that won't benefit one school over another and put others at a huge disadvantage. Like it or not, Richmond may offer the best we can get. It at least allows the William and Mary, JMU and Towson fans a relatively short trip on a truly neutral site. And it isn't far for Elon or UNCW. The outliers are always going to have a lot of travel to a central location. I also wouldn't mind the tournament being held at the Ted in Hampton.
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(03-08-2018 06:40 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-07-2018 10:52 PM)geewizNU Wrote:  
(03-07-2018 11:24 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  I don't mind the tournament being in Charleston. It's not their fault that Northeastern simply doesn't have a basketball fanbase to speak of.

Having a host school or # 1 host would be disastrous if that ends up going to a northern school. Even going to Baltimore was a bad idea. "Neutral" or "central" locations sound good, but only really worked when this was a Virginia-based league. Now that the league is spread out, with the best fanbases being in the south, there is zero reason to try to find a geographic center that will get you solid attendance. It doesn't exist.

The northern schools can complain all they want, but they won't get decent attendance even if the tournament ends up in Philly or Boston. Until that happens, they have no right to complain. Just enjoy your vacation to a southern city. There has to be a lot worse things than having high 50's or better temperatures to enjoy. Meanwhile, while the CAA tournament was going on, there was a Nor'easter going on up north, causing miserable weather.

I get that we have limited options, because only 2-3 cities end up bidding for the tournament on a year-to-year basis. But until there's no other options, rotating host school/# 1 seed for the whole tournament is a really bad idea.

Your weather argument is weak.

There are plenty of tournaments held in the North and Midwest. It’s wasnt all that warm and balmy in the Low Country the last few days either.

You would be a fool not to attend a tourney to root for your team just because of a little cold or snow. So what.

The Nor’Easter started after the title game ...


It's a roll the dice situation weather/travel wise. It's great the NorÉaster started after the title game, but that was pure luck. I don't have a great solution, The problem with the CAA is that we have regional fan bases in a conference that stretches from Charleston SC to New York. There is no place to have a tournament that won't benefit one school over another and put others at a huge disadvantage. Like it or not, Richmond may offer the best we can get. It at least allows the William and Mary, JMU and Towson fans a relatively short trip on a truly neutral site. And it isn't far for Elon or UNCW. The outliers are always going to have a lot of travel to a central location. I also wouldn't mind the tournament being held at the Ted in Hampton.
I Went to Richmond several times and thought it was a good spot for the tourney, and agree it still would be.
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RE: Championship Week
(03-07-2018 10:52 PM)geewizNU Wrote:  
(03-07-2018 11:24 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  I don't mind the tournament being in Charleston. It's not their fault that Northeastern simply doesn't have a basketball fanbase to speak of.

Having a host school or # 1 host would be disastrous if that ends up going to a northern school. Even going to Baltimore was a bad idea. "Neutral" or "central" locations sound good, but only really worked when this was a Virginia-based league. Now that the league is spread out, with the best fanbases being in the south, there is zero reason to try to find a geographic center that will get you solid attendance. It doesn't exist.

The northern schools can complain all they want, but they won't get decent attendance even if the tournament ends up in Philly or Boston. Until that happens, they have no right to complain. Just enjoy your vacation to a southern city. There has to be a lot worse things than having high 50's or better temperatures to enjoy. Meanwhile, while the CAA tournament was going on, there was a Nor'easter going on up north, causing miserable weather.

I get that we have limited options, because only 2-3 cities end up bidding for the tournament on a year-to-year basis. But until there's no other options, rotating host school/# 1 seed for the whole tournament is a really bad idea.

Your weather argument is weak.

There are plenty of tournaments held in the North and Midwest. It’s wasnt all that warm and balmy in the Low Country the last few days either.

You would be a fool not to attend a tourney to root for your team just because of a little cold or snow. So what.

The Nor’Easter started after the title game ...

That's fine, but what we definitely KNOW will be the case, is that the weather will be nice in Charleston in March. Some years, it'll even be beach weather.

It's not a weak argument. Don't people like vacation spots because of the weather? Boston is a fine place to go in the summer. Late winter, not so much.

Bill Murray went to the title game because he lives in Charleston. Wonder why he chose to live there...
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(03-08-2018 09:34 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I Went to Richmond several times and thought it was a good spot for the tourney, and agree it still would be.

I dont think most argued about the location as much as the staff who catered to a certain school and the condition of the arena itself. The arena itself was in such shambles something needed to be done. Honestly the RC is too big for us at this point, though if they wanted it back so be it. VCU's arena is a nicer arena and appropriately sized at this point. I would have no problems rotating it between Baltimore, Richmond and N Charleston. I think many who wanted out of the RC years ago who stated about rotating it, always still included Richmond.
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Updated

Tickets punched:

ASUN: Lipscomb
Big South: Radford
Big 10: Michigan
CAA: Charleston
Horizon: Wright State
MAAC: Iona
MVC: Loyola-Chicago
NEC: LIU Brooklyn
OVC: Murray State
SoCon: UNCG
Summit: SDSU
WCC: Gonzaga
Patriot: Bucknell

Tickets to be punched 3/8:
None

Tickets to be punched 3/9:
None

Tickets to be punched 3/10:
AE: UMBC vs Vermont
MEAC
Big12
MWC
Big East
MAC
Big Sky
ACC
CUSA
Southland
PAC12
WAC
Big West


Tickets to be punched 3/11:
Ivy
SEC
A10
Sun Belt
AAC
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(03-08-2018 10:34 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 09:34 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I Went to Richmond several times and thought it was a good spot for the tourney, and agree it still would be.

I dont think most argued about the location as much as the staff who catered to a certain school and the condition of the arena itself. The arena itself was in such shambles something needed to be done. Honestly the RC is too big for us at this point, though if they wanted it back so be it. VCU's arena is a nicer arena and appropriately sized at this point. I would have no problems rotating it between Baltimore, Richmond and N Charleston. I think many who wanted out of the RC years ago who stated about rotating it, always still included Richmond.
The problem is business wise, these arenas want a multi year agreement. The league gets more favorable terms when it does more than 1 year.
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(03-08-2018 10:36 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 10:34 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 09:34 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I Went to Richmond several times and thought it was a good spot for the tourney, and agree it still would be.

I dont think most argued about the location as much as the staff who catered to a certain school and the condition of the arena itself. The arena itself was in such shambles something needed to be done. Honestly the RC is too big for us at this point, though if they wanted it back so be it. VCU's arena is a nicer arena and appropriately sized at this point. I would have no problems rotating it between Baltimore, Richmond and N Charleston. I think many who wanted out of the RC years ago who stated about rotating it, always still included Richmond.
The problem is business wise, these arenas want a multi year agreement. The league gets more favorable terms when it does more than 1 year.
There are no issues doing that. I think most reasonable people said 2-3 year rotations, not 1 year deals.
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(03-08-2018 10:42 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 10:36 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 10:34 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 09:34 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I Went to Richmond several times and thought it was a good spot for the tourney, and agree it still would be.

I dont think most argued about the location as much as the staff who catered to a certain school and the condition of the arena itself. The arena itself was in such shambles something needed to be done. Honestly the RC is too big for us at this point, though if they wanted it back so be it. VCU's arena is a nicer arena and appropriately sized at this point. I would have no problems rotating it between Baltimore, Richmond and N Charleston. I think many who wanted out of the RC years ago who stated about rotating it, always still included Richmond.
The problem is business wise, these arenas want a multi year agreement. The league gets more favorable terms when it does more than 1 year.
There are no issues doing that. I think most reasonable people said 2-3 year rotations, not 1 year deals.
2-3 year deals i think would work fine. I don't think Baltimore is feasible, they have already proven people there don't care.
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I'd be fine with Richmond and Charleston two year deals. Maybe give Hampton a chance at some point. I just think 3 years in a row is a bit much.
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(03-08-2018 11:17 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  I'd be fine with Richmond and Charleston two year deals. Maybe give Hampton a chance at some point. I just think 3 years in a row is a bit much.

I don't see why 3 years is an issue. Charleston had the homecourt edge....so what? We won the title down there the 2 years prior.

It's been a great spot and I think Jimmy will be voting for it again.
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Does myrtle beach have a small arena? That would be a cool spot too?
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(03-08-2018 11:45 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Does myrtle beach have a small arena? That would be a cool spot too?

They do, we played UNC there a few years ago
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