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RE: Dropping MAC teams
(02-21-2018 10:55 PM)Fthechips Wrote: What are the odds the MAC drops EMU, Kent st, and ball state, and tries to recruit other teams to strengthen the conference. Teams like Marshall, West. Kentucky, maybe even James Madison or SDSU. I just think those current MAC teams drag the conference down so much, they should probably be FCS.
Kent and EMU almost got the axe in the early 80's. Neither left and NIU said either me or them and bolted for independence.
So the MAC did go through it with NIU leaving because of the duplicated markets. Marshall also left because of that reasoning back in 2003.
Times have really changed for the MAC with the conference placing 2 teams this decade into CFP bowls and the big midweek deal.
The MAC had 13 members in the late 90's when the average conference had 9. Today the MAC has 12 members while the average conference has 11. The average FBS conference has 12.5 full members so the MAC is no longer too big.
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ACC 15
B1G 14
SEC 14
CUSA 14
PAC 12
AAC 12
SBC 12
MAC 12
MWC 11
B12 10
Considering too with the influx of southern FBS schools watering down conferences like SBC and CUSA having a set of 12 G5 schools in the Midwest doesn't seem bad compared to the 30+ of SBC/CUSA/AAC ect.
Also with the CFP money split the smallest its reasonable to go to is 10 members in this day and age. The target for basketball conferences is 11 with 20 game schedules not 9 like it was in the past.
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Kittonhead
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
(02-22-2018 08:15 AM)Love and Honor Wrote: That being said, as someone who doesn't believe in expanding to 14 to dilute our TV and CFP money, I do think there's an argument to be had for the sake of competitive play. Adding Marshall (if they were willing) and JMU would perhaps serve us well in something like bowl play, may help us leverage another tie-in. But still I don't think it justifies adding two mouths to feed.
The MAC has 5 bowls under contract so trying to pick up a nice member (e.g. Marshall, Temple) to get the bowls or TV going isn't needed.
What might make more sense is if the MAC could move to a competitive balance system where the divisions are selected based on a previous 4 year average.
That way you don't have this overloaded West thing with so many good programs and a crappy East with 1 bowl eligible team. The 5 Ohio teams in one division also sucks.
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02-22-2018 11:25 PM |
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
(02-22-2018 11:15 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: (02-21-2018 10:55 PM)Fthechips Wrote: What are the odds the MAC drops EMU, Kent st, and ball state, and tries to recruit other teams to strengthen the conference. Teams like Marshall, West. Kentucky, maybe even James Madison or SDSU. I just think those current MAC teams drag the conference down so much, they should probably be FCS.
Kent and EMU almost got the axe in the early 80's. Neither left and NIU said either me or them and bolted for independence.
So the MAC did go through it with NIU leaving because of the duplicated markets. Marshall also left because of that reasoning back in 2003.
Times have really changed for the MAC with the conference placing 2 teams this decade into CFP bowls and the big midweek deal.
The MAC had 13 members in the late 90's when the average conference had 9. Today the MAC has 12 members while the average conference has 11. The average FBS conference has 12.5 full members so the MAC is no longer too big.
Olympic Sport Members
ACC 15
B1G 14
SEC 14
CUSA 14
PAC 12
AAC 12
SBC 12
MAC 12
MWC 11
B12 10
Considering too with the influx of southern FBS schools watering down conferences like SBC and CUSA having a set of 12 G5 schools in the Midwest doesn't seem bad compared to the 30+ of SBC/CUSA/AAC ect.
Also with the CFP money split the smallest its reasonable to go to is 10 members in this day and age. The target for basketball conferences is 11 with 20 game schedules not 9 like it was in the past.
I really do think the MAC would greatly improve if Kent St and EMU were cut, especially for football, those are FCS level programs. I think if those teams are demoted to FCS that increases the appeal of the MAC to other programs like Marshall, Western Kentucky, even James Madison down the road.
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
Yawn.
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
(02-22-2018 11:40 PM)EagleSam Wrote: Yawn.
I know you don't like it, but that doesn't make me wrong.
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
(02-22-2018 11:28 PM)Fthechips Wrote: (02-22-2018 11:15 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: (02-21-2018 10:55 PM)Fthechips Wrote: What are the odds the MAC drops EMU, Kent st, and ball state, and tries to recruit other teams to strengthen the conference. Teams like Marshall, West. Kentucky, maybe even James Madison or SDSU. I just think those current MAC teams drag the conference down so much, they should probably be FCS.
Kent and EMU almost got the axe in the early 80's. Neither left and NIU said either me or them and bolted for independence.
So the MAC did go through it with NIU leaving because of the duplicated markets. Marshall also left because of that reasoning back in 2003.
Times have really changed for the MAC with the conference placing 2 teams this decade into CFP bowls and the big midweek deal.
The MAC had 13 members in the late 90's when the average conference had 9. Today the MAC has 12 members while the average conference has 11. The average FBS conference has 12.5 full members so the MAC is no longer too big.
Olympic Sport Members
ACC 15
B1G 14
SEC 14
CUSA 14
PAC 12
AAC 12
SBC 12
MAC 12
MWC 11
B12 10
Considering too with the influx of southern FBS schools watering down conferences like SBC and CUSA having a set of 12 G5 schools in the Midwest doesn't seem bad compared to the 30+ of SBC/CUSA/AAC ect.
Also with the CFP money split the smallest its reasonable to go to is 10 members in this day and age. The target for basketball conferences is 11 with 20 game schedules not 9 like it was in the past.
I really do think the MAC would greatly improve if Kent St and EMU were cut, especially for football, those are FCS level programs. I think if those teams are demoted to FCS that increases the appeal of the MAC to other programs like Marshall, Western Kentucky, even James Madison down the road.
There is really no need for more football teams. Splits the TV money less ways.
Basketball however for the MAC it might make sense to grow if those programs bring NCAA caliber teams with it.
Why not take URI, UMass, GMU, VCU all out of the A10 and stick them in the MAC? Do no divisions in basketball and a 20 game schedule that was competitively structured. It might make the MAC a regular 2-3 bid league and bring x2 times the basketball TV appearances.
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
(02-22-2018 11:42 PM)Fthechips Wrote: (02-22-2018 11:40 PM)EagleSam Wrote: Yawn.
I know you don't like it, but that doesn't make me wrong.
You have some pretty bizarre delusions of grandeur for your program.
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
(02-22-2018 11:56 PM)EagleSam Wrote: (02-22-2018 11:42 PM)Fthechips Wrote: (02-22-2018 11:40 PM)EagleSam Wrote: Yawn.
I know you don't like it, but that doesn't make me wrong.
You have some pretty bizarre delusions of grandeur for your program.
I don't think I'm being unrealistic here. I'm not the first to propose this and certainly won't be the last. Btw, the last time you guys beats us in football was in 2013 in OT at your home stadium... 3000 fans were in attendance.
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
(02-22-2018 11:46 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: (02-22-2018 11:28 PM)Fthechips Wrote: (02-22-2018 11:15 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: (02-21-2018 10:55 PM)Fthechips Wrote: What are the odds the MAC drops EMU, Kent st, and ball state, and tries to recruit other teams to strengthen the conference. Teams like Marshall, West. Kentucky, maybe even James Madison or SDSU. I just think those current MAC teams drag the conference down so much, they should probably be FCS.
Kent and EMU almost got the axe in the early 80's. Neither left and NIU said either me or them and bolted for independence.
So the MAC did go through it with NIU leaving because of the duplicated markets. Marshall also left because of that reasoning back in 2003.
Times have really changed for the MAC with the conference placing 2 teams this decade into CFP bowls and the big midweek deal.
The MAC had 13 members in the late 90's when the average conference had 9. Today the MAC has 12 members while the average conference has 11. The average FBS conference has 12.5 full members so the MAC is no longer too big.
Olympic Sport Members
ACC 15
B1G 14
SEC 14
CUSA 14
PAC 12
AAC 12
SBC 12
MAC 12
MWC 11
B12 10
Considering too with the influx of southern FBS schools watering down conferences like SBC and CUSA having a set of 12 G5 schools in the Midwest doesn't seem bad compared to the 30+ of SBC/CUSA/AAC ect.
Also with the CFP money split the smallest its reasonable to go to is 10 members in this day and age. The target for basketball conferences is 11 with 20 game schedules not 9 like it was in the past.
I really do think the MAC would greatly improve if Kent St and EMU were cut, especially for football, those are FCS level programs. I think if those teams are demoted to FCS that increases the appeal of the MAC to other programs like Marshall, Western Kentucky, even James Madison down the road.
There is really no need for more football teams. Splits the TV money less ways.
Basketball however for the MAC it might make sense to grow if those programs bring NCAA caliber teams with it.
Why not take URI, UMass, GMU, VCU all out of the A10 and stick them in the MAC? Do no divisions in basketball and a 20 game schedule that was competitively structured. It might make the MAC a regular 2-3 bid league and bring x2 times the basketball TV appearances.
Cut EMU and Kent, replace with Marshall and UMASS for basketball and football. Instantly increases the competition and image of the MAC.
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
You're being unrealistic. Maybe go check the Big Ten board and see if they're interested in taking on WMU. Thanks for the history lesson, though. You make such a compelling argument.
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
(02-23-2018 12:06 AM)EagleSam Wrote: You're being unrealistic. Maybe go check the Big Ten board and see if they're interested in taking on WMU. Thanks for the history lesson, though. You make such a compelling argument.
He also has thoughts of WMU going to the MVC.
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
(02-23-2018 12:06 AM)EagleSam Wrote: You're being unrealistic. Maybe go check the Big Ten board and see if they're interested in taking on WMU. Thanks for the history lesson, though. You make such a compelling argument.
How is it unrealistic for a conference to want to drop a team when they can barely get over 10k fans to a game? That's FCS level, the fact that you guys have a history of having multiple games where less than 5k people show up is embarrassing. In 2013 WMU went 1-11 and still averaged 17k fans per home game, EMU went 2-10 and averaged 4,000 fans per game. I understand that your'e being biased towards your school but cmon man, it's obvious.
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
(02-23-2018 12:08 AM)utpotts Wrote: (02-23-2018 12:06 AM)EagleSam Wrote: You're being unrealistic. Maybe go check the Big Ten board and see if they're interested in taking on WMU. Thanks for the history lesson, though. You make such a compelling argument.
He also has thoughts of WMU going to the MVC.
Not sure why your'e coming after me now, I would've thought that Toledo fans would be on board with this as they're one of the top schools in the conf.
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
(02-23-2018 12:08 AM)utpotts Wrote: (02-23-2018 12:06 AM)EagleSam Wrote: You're being unrealistic. Maybe go check the Big Ten board and see if they're interested in taking on WMU. Thanks for the history lesson, though. You make such a compelling argument.
He also has thoughts of WMU going to the MVC.
That thread is so hilarious. They all seem pretty sold on dropping Tulsa to add WMU
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
(02-23-2018 12:25 AM)EagleSam Wrote: (02-23-2018 12:08 AM)utpotts Wrote: (02-23-2018 12:06 AM)EagleSam Wrote: You're being unrealistic. Maybe go check the Big Ten board and see if they're interested in taking on WMU. Thanks for the history lesson, though. You make such a compelling argument.
He also has thoughts of WMU going to the MVC.
That thread is so hilarious. They all seem pretty sold on dropping Tulsa to add WMU
Lol. I'm done here, you EMU fans know its true just scared to admit it. Just a matter of time before FCS comes calling your name.
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
(02-23-2018 12:15 AM)Fthechips Wrote: (02-23-2018 12:08 AM)utpotts Wrote: (02-23-2018 12:06 AM)EagleSam Wrote: You're being unrealistic. Maybe go check the Big Ten board and see if they're interested in taking on WMU. Thanks for the history lesson, though. You make such a compelling argument.
He also has thoughts of WMU going to the MVC.
Not sure why your'e coming after me now, I would've thought that Toledo fans would be on board with this as they're one of the top schools in the conf.
If you stick your bb team in the MVC the MAC could move to an 11 team/20 game schedule in basketball.
MVC would be the same also at 11.
Another out-of-the box idea is the MAC picking up St. Louis, Bradley, Loyola and Valpo for 16 in basketball. Have promotion regulation divisions based on RPI.
Division A
Loyola 33
Buffalo 38
Toledo 76
Ball St. 89
Bradley 95
St. Louis 130
EMU 138
Miami 141
Division B
WMU 164
Kent St 173
BG 178
CMU 190
Valpo 185
Ohio 222
NIU 238
Akron 234
This would help the MAC squeeze out some at-large bids.
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
You guys get to see what CMU fans have to deal with from WMU fans now with this thread...
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
(02-23-2018 03:16 AM)Warhawks222 Wrote: You guys get to see what CMU fans have to deal with from WMU fans now with this thread...
Yep, every so often this board gets a poster who goes seriously off the rails.
Guess there is no background check for getting on these forums. [/align]
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RE: Dropping MAC teams
(02-23-2018 12:43 AM)Kittonhead Wrote: (02-23-2018 12:15 AM)Fthechips Wrote: (02-23-2018 12:08 AM)utpotts Wrote: (02-23-2018 12:06 AM)EagleSam Wrote: You're being unrealistic. Maybe go check the Big Ten board and see if they're interested in taking on WMU. Thanks for the history lesson, though. You make such a compelling argument.
He also has thoughts of WMU going to the MVC.
Not sure why your'e coming after me now, I would've thought that Toledo fans would be on board with this as they're one of the top schools in the conf.
If you stick your bb team in the MVC the MAC could move to an 11 team/20 game schedule in basketball.
MVC would be the same also at 11.
Another out-of-the box idea is the MAC picking up St. Louis, Bradley, Loyola and Valpo for 16 in basketball. Have promotion regulation divisions based on RPI.
Division A
Loyola 33
Buffalo 38
Toledo 76
Ball St. 89
Bradley 95
St. Louis 130
EMU 138
Miami 141
Division B
WMU 164
Kent St 173
BG 178
CMU 190
Valpo 185
Ohio 222
NIU 238
Akron 234
This would help the MAC squeeze out some at-large bids.
Ahhhhhhhhh...... the good ole Kit Kat thread hijack.
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