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(02-19-2018 08:20 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:15 AM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  Stop it with Nso plays great D crap. We couldn't get a stop to save our life or a defensive rebound with him in game. He actually looked better for us on O than he does he D. He at least be in position to get offensive rebounds, set solid screens and he makes his layups, other than that he shouldnt be playing down stretch in big time games.

He helped shut down their point guard in my view which kept UC in the game.

No he didnt ever shot was still uncontested for most part. WSU ran out of GAS the final 8min or so. Go back and read game thread. I even mentioned they was gasping for aie and we kept Nso in game over bringing in a G to speed game up. When we playing teams and their biggest guy 6'7-6'8 we don't have play to bigs all time. Evans jumps higher than anybody in gym most nights, if his shot isn't falling he needs start impacting games on glass.

People bring up the 1992 Final Four team. I see a lot similarities between that team and this one. That team won a co-championship in the conference but was swept by the best team in the league, DePaul. Cats failed in the biggest non-conference test against MSU and IU and needed the bracket to breakdown to win the conference tournament and make the Final Four. UC is good enough to win the conference tournament and make a deep run but its going to take some dumb luck and some favorable matchups to get there.

(02-19-2018 08:20 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:15 AM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  Stop it with Nso plays great D crap. We couldn't get a stop to save our life or a defensive rebound with him in game. He actually looked better for us on O than he does he D. He at least be in position to get offensive rebounds, set solid screens and he makes his layups, other than that he shouldnt be playing down stretch in big time games.

He helped shut down their point guard in my view which kept UC in the game.

Yeah, his perimeter D was excellent. He's was on the perimeter defensively a lot which is why he wasn't getting defensive rebounds - a product of the scheme, not his play. He did draw two fouls on the offensive end going for the rebound. Those don't count as offensive rebounds in the stats book, but they accomplish the same thing.

I am glad others find silver linings with yesterday. Seems to me that we are the same team we always are. We beat most the teams we should, we might not win the conference, but will make the tournament and likely get bounced out in the 2nd round because teams in the tournament can actually shoot the ball.

Rinse and repeat. I know some of y'all follow fancy stats, and whatever Kenpom is, but in the 7 or 8 years that I have been following UC basketball this seems to be the same formula. This forum seems to talk about how bad the American is, but if it is so bad...why are we never winning the conference?

Just a MIRAGE.

Likely beat UConn and Tulsa at home and Tulane at Nola (despite no Big Q) and then get punked at the Koch Roundhouse.

Like the Bengals...the silver lining may actually be finding something more productive to do with our time. I’ve had enough of watching an underachieving disappointing basketball team.

As Doss said, 3 meaningless wins...followed by a likely 10-12 point loss at WSU. A semifinal loss in the AAC. A 5-6 seed come selection Sunday. Out by Sunday afternoon. Seen this episode before. Too many times.

Ha still laughing at the special season comments that have littered this board. Special my ass.

This team has three more opportunities to make this a "special season". or "Mick's best team". Time for them all to man up, they need to do one of the three to earn that recognition IMHO:

1) Win out and they win an outright conference championship--- winning at Wichita is going to be a bear.

2) Winning the conference tournament. Mick's teams haven't done that once since he's been here.

3) Going deep in the tournament. Need to get out of that first weekend, especially if they do neither of the first two.

(02-19-2018 08:30 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:20 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:15 AM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  Stop it with Nso plays great D crap. We couldn't get a stop to save our life or a defensive rebound with him in game. He actually looked better for us on O than he does he D. He at least be in position to get offensive rebounds, set solid screens and he makes his layups, other than that he shouldnt be playing down stretch in big time games.

He helped shut down their point guard in my view which kept UC in the game.

Yeah, his perimeter D was excellent. He's was on the perimeter defensively a lot which is why he wasn't getting defensive rebounds - a product of the scheme, not his play. He did draw two fouls on the offensive end going for the rebound. Those don't count as offensive rebounds in the stats book, but they accomplish the same thing.

I'll be back. about to re watch when he came in

(02-19-2018 09:43 AM)50Cent Wrote:  Like the Bengals...the silver lining may actually be finding something more productive to do with our time. I’ve had enough of watching an underachieving disappointing basketball team.

As Doss said, 3 meaningless wins...followed by a likely 10-12 point loss at WSU. A semifinal loss in the AAC. A 5-6 seed come selection Sunday. Out by Sunday afternoon. Seen this episode before. Too many times.

Ha still laughing at the special season comments that have littered this board. Special my ass.

Serious question, are you a fan? I get that you may be disappointed, but I have a hard time seeing you as one of the fans that followed the team in the 1980s.

(02-19-2018 08:30 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:20 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:15 AM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  Stop it with Nso plays great D crap. We couldn't get a stop to save our life or a defensive rebound with him in game. He actually looked better for us on O than he does he D. He at least be in position to get offensive rebounds, set solid screens and he makes his layups, other than that he shouldnt be playing down stretch in big time games.

He helped shut down their point guard in my view which kept UC in the game.

Yeah, his perimeter D was excellent. He's was on the perimeter defensively a lot which is why he wasn't getting defensive rebounds - a product of the scheme, not his play. He did draw two fouls on the offensive end going for the rebound. Those don't count as offensive rebounds in the stats book, but they accomplish the same thing.

2nd half came in around under 12min mark

he drew a foul on offensive rebound at 1105

was called for illegal screen at 913(still no opportunity to defend perimeter at all)

He's been lost on EVERY possesion so far

was in no mans land with shamet driving, he dished to corner for open 3 at855

got matched up with shamet on switch, he passed right away to morris, Nso stayed in NO MAN LAND(LOST), we gave up rebound at755

matched up with shamet, played PERFECT D and forced a TO at 745

got matched up with #12, came played bad help d and gave up open corner 3 at644

he drew a foul on offense rebound at 636

in no man land once again, gives up old school 3pt play at 624

kelly tried take him off dribble, once again perfect stance on d, forced mid court 3, he comes back and gives up offensive rebound at533

had good close out on baseline shot by morris at430

Im stop right here because after last play he's played close to 8min straight and clearly see he's gassed right now. Im say he held his own out on perimeter on D, he's lost as EVER trying figure everything else out though on D. Not knowing where to be caused a lot of confusing and we gave up second chance points.

Im also on record in game thread noticing that WSU was getting tired up at that point. NOBODY got beat off dribble between when he came into game and left game.

Watching last 4min

This is the silver lining thread. The haters need to set up their own wailing thread...or preferably climb back under their rocks.

(02-19-2018 11:47 AM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:30 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:20 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:15 AM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  Stop it with Nso plays great D crap. We couldn't get a stop to save our life or a defensive rebound with him in game. He actually looked better for us on O than he does he D. He at least be in position to get offensive rebounds, set solid screens and he makes his layups, other than that he shouldnt be playing down stretch in big time games.

He helped shut down their point guard in my view which kept UC in the game.

Yeah, his perimeter D was excellent. He's was on the perimeter defensively a lot which is why he wasn't getting defensive rebounds - a product of the scheme, not his play. He did draw two fouls on the offensive end going for the rebound. Those don't count as offensive rebounds in the stats book, but they accomplish the same thing.

2nd half came in around under 12min mark

he drew a foul on offensive rebound at 1105

was called for illegal screen at 913(still no opportunity to defend perimeter at all)

He's been lost on EVERY possesion so far

was in no mans land with shamet driving, he dished to corner for open 3 at855

got matched up with shamet on switch, he passed right away to morris, Nso stayed in NO MAN LAND(LOST), we gave up rebound at755

matched up with shamet, played PERFECT D and forced a TO at 745

got matched up with #12, came played bad help d and gave up open corner 3 at644

he drew a foul on offense rebound at 636

in no man land once again, gives up old school 3pt play at 624

kelly tried take him off dribble, once again perfect stance on d, forced mid court 3, he comes back and gives up offensive rebound at533

had good close out on baseline shot by morris at430

Im stop right here because after last play he's played close to 8min straight and clearly see he's gassed right now. Im say he held his own out on perimeter on D, he's lost as EVER trying figure everything else out though on D. Not knowing where to be caused a lot of confusing and we gave up second chance points.

Im also on record in game thread noticing that WSU was getting tired up at that point. NOBODY got beat off dribble between when he came into game and left game.

Watching last 4min

next play clark gets beat off dribble. Nso had more energy than him and he was gassed so let me know where Clark stood. at405

LMAO next play clark clanks wide open 3, Nso fights and we keep ball at 347

washington enter game after under 4 we down 6 with ball

washington CLANKS front end of 1 and 1 at338(3 misses in row by team)

morris schools washington on low block for easy 2 at235

washington called for foul going after rebound at 200(lmao espn aint **** they put up brooks on screen after washington horrible 2min stretch)

willis came down schooled washington in paint for ANOTHER easy 2 at 120

after that it was basically over

And all the ultra media bias and UC synophant fringe talk about no signature wins is simply BS. Forget a Top 25 Houston. Cincy beat the blueist of blue bloods UCLA by 15 on the road. A team that’s #2 in the PAC standings and beat both AZ and UK. That’s as signature as it gets.

(02-19-2018 11:47 AM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:30 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:20 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:15 AM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  Stop it with Nso plays great D crap. We couldn't get a stop to save our life or a defensive rebound with him in game. He actually looked better for us on O than he does he D. He at least be in position to get offensive rebounds, set solid screens and he makes his layups, other than that he shouldnt be playing down stretch in big time games.

He helped shut down their point guard in my view which kept UC in the game.

Yeah, his perimeter D was excellent. He's was on the perimeter defensively a lot which is why he wasn't getting defensive rebounds - a product of the scheme, not his play. He did draw two fouls on the offensive end going for the rebound. Those don't count as offensive rebounds in the stats book, but they accomplish the same thing.

2nd half came in around under 12min mark

he drew a foul on offensive rebound at 1105

was called for illegal screen at 913(still no opportunity to defend perimeter at all)

He's been lost on EVERY possesion so far

was in no mans land with shamet driving, he dished to corner for open 3 at855

got matched up with shamet on switch, he passed right away to morris, Nso stayed in NO MAN LAND(LOST), we gave up rebound at755

matched up with shamet, played PERFECT D and forced a TO at 745

got matched up with #12, came played bad help d and gave up open corner 3 at644

he drew a foul on offense rebound at 636

in no man land once again, gives up old school 3pt play at 624

kelly tried take him off dribble, once again perfect stance on d, forced mid court 3, he comes back and gives up offensive rebound at533

had good close out on baseline shot by morris at430

Im stop right here because after last play he's played close to 8min straight and clearly see he's gassed right now. Im say he held his own out on perimeter on D, he's lost as EVER trying figure everything else out though on D. Not knowing where to be caused a lot of confusing and we gave up second chance points.

Im also on record in game thread noticing that WSU was getting tired up at that point. NOBODY got beat off dribble between when he came into game and left game.

Watching last 4min

I admit, I tend to mostly ball-watch (not always, but can't watch everyone at once and I can't record and rewatch the game - actually I guess I could, but I am lazy). He is excellent in guarding 1v1 outside the post - and has been all year for the most part - and that's what I recall seeing. Guess he does need work on playing within the system on D - that's something that shold come with more practice and playing time - not so much this year as next year and onwards. The two fouls on offensive rebounds were nice bonuses on O, at least he was providing something. The illegal screen was an iffy call - he went to roll to the post a little to soon, but wasn't moving to impede the defensive players movement if I recall correctly.

Also after 8 minutes he should be tired, that's on Cronin for not rotating bigs.

(02-19-2018 12:02 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 11:47 AM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:30 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:20 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:15 AM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  Stop it with Nso plays great D crap. We couldn't get a stop to save our life or a defensive rebound with him in game. He actually looked better for us on O than he does he D. He at least be in position to get offensive rebounds, set solid screens and he makes his layups, other than that he shouldnt be playing down stretch in big time games.

He helped shut down their point guard in my view which kept UC in the game.

Yeah, his perimeter D was excellent. He's was on the perimeter defensively a lot which is why he wasn't getting defensive rebounds - a product of the scheme, not his play. He did draw two fouls on the offensive end going for the rebound. Those don't count as offensive rebounds in the stats book, but they accomplish the same thing.

2nd half came in around under 12min mark

he drew a foul on offensive rebound at 1105

was called for illegal screen at 913(still no opportunity to defend perimeter at all)

He's been lost on EVERY possesion so far

was in no mans land with shamet driving, he dished to corner for open 3 at855

got matched up with shamet on switch, he passed right away to morris, Nso stayed in NO MAN LAND(LOST), we gave up rebound at755

matched up with shamet, played PERFECT D and forced a TO at 745

got matched up with #12, came played bad help d and gave up open corner 3 at644

he drew a foul on offense rebound at 636

in no man land once again, gives up old school 3pt play at 624

kelly tried take him off dribble, once again perfect stance on d, forced mid court 3, he comes back and gives up offensive rebound at533

had good close out on baseline shot by morris at430

Im stop right here because after last play he's played close to 8min straight and clearly see he's gassed right now. Im say he held his own out on perimeter on D, he's lost as EVER trying figure everything else out though on D. Not knowing where to be caused a lot of confusing and we gave up second chance points.

Im also on record in game thread noticing that WSU was getting tired up at that point. NOBODY got beat off dribble between when he came into game and left game.

Watching last 4min

I admit, I tend to mostly ball-watch (not always, but can't watch everyone at once and I can't record and rewatch the game - actually I guess I could, but I am lazy). He is excellent in guarding 1v1 outside the post - and has been all year for the most part - and that's what I recall seeing. Guess he does need work on playing within the system on D - that's something that shold come with more practice and playing time - not so much this year as next year and onwards. The two fouls on offensive rebounds were nice bonuses on O, at least he was providing something. The illegal screen was an iffy call - he went to roll to the post a little to soon, but wasn't moving to impede the defensive players movement if I recall correctly.

Also after 8 minutes he should be tired, that's on Cronin for not rotating bigs.

Yeah Clark was done at 12min mark and NEVER came out game after I started watching. They never beat us when NSo was in game, I dont know if it was him or WSU was tired. I do know immediately after he left game WSU seen his players couldnt beat us off dribble and started killing us in post against WAShington and Clark.I was impressed with his 1v1 defensive stance though I can tell you that. For what it worth I called for him to start over Washington 2months ago though

(02-19-2018 11:58 AM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  next play clark gets beat off dribble. Nso had more energy than him and he was gassed so let me know where Clark stood. at405

LMAO next play clark clanks wide open 3, Nso fights and we keep ball at 347

washington enter game after under 4 we down 6 with ball

washington CLANKS front end of 1 and 1 at338(3 misses in row by team)

morris schools washington on low block for easy 2 at235

washington called for foul going after rebound at 200(lmao espn aint **** they put up brooks on screen after washington horrible 2min stretch)

willis came down schooled washington in paint for ANOTHER easy 2 at 120

after that it was basically over

And that's why Nsoseme played so much, because even though he is a freshman who is still learning on D. He still provided more than Washington. Either Washington needs to step it up on D (I don't think he has the atleticism to play how Cronin wants him to play though) vs good teams or we need to play a D that limits teams abilities to explot Washington's weaknesses.

Also why I am not worried about Washington leaving next year. We won't have to go through Cronin's love/hate relationship with Washington. Brooks and Nsoseme will get lots of minutes (possibly even starting together with Nsoseme at PF if Scott doesn't show improvement) and it will be ugly for a while, but they should be up to speed by mid-season next year on D and hopefully develop some sort of offensive ability.

(02-19-2018 11:51 AM)payday Wrote:  This is the silver lining thread. The haters need to set up their own wailing thread...or preferably climb back under their rocks.

I think Mick seen WSU was on the ropes tired last 10 min of game and he didn't bring in a guard for Clark. I doubt that happens next time around. Cumberland, Evans, and Broome started going to work during that stretch big time, none of their guys could stay in front of us. Morris couldnt move Nso and Clark is in big time funk right now plus he was dead tired, we should've put in williams over Clark and went into full attack mode. We stayed in front of them with ease final 10, they could'nt do nothing with our athletes down stretch. Re watch game if you can, WSU had guys falling over left and right becuase we wore they ass out. Remember one guy flopped to get extra rest time for team

(02-19-2018 12:11 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 11:58 AM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  next play clark gets beat off dribble. Nso had more energy than him and he was gassed so let me know where Clark stood. at405

LMAO next play clark clanks wide open 3, Nso fights and we keep ball at 347

washington enter game after under 4 we down 6 with ball

washington CLANKS front end of 1 and 1 at338(3 misses in row by team)

morris schools washington on low block for easy 2 at235

washington called for foul going after rebound at 200(lmao espn aint **** they put up brooks on screen after washington horrible 2min stretch)

willis came down schooled washington in paint for ANOTHER easy 2 at 120

after that it was basically over

And that's why Nsoseme played so much, because even though he is a freshman who is still learning on D. He still provided more than Washington. Either Washington needs to step it up on D (I don't think he has the atleticism to play how Cronin wants him to play though) vs good teams or we need to play a D that limits teams abilities to explot Washington's weaknesses.

Also why I am not worried about Washington leaving next year. We won't have to go through Cronin's love/hate relationship with Washington. Brooks and Nsoseme will get lots of minutes (possibly even starting together with Nsoseme at PF if Scott doesn't show improvement) and it will be ugly for a while, but they should be up to speed by mid-season next year on D and hopefully develop some sort of offensive ability.

Yeah i said all along if we really trying make deep run, washington should've been coming off bench. solid 10-12 min every game and by now Nso would've been a BEAST. Ideal world Washington is playing your PF, he cant here with Clark on team

(02-19-2018 12:08 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  Yeah Clark was done at 12min mark and NEVER came out game after I started watching. They never beat us when NSo was in game, I dont know if it was him or WSU was tired. I do know immediately after he left game WSU seen his players couldnt beat us off dribble and started killing us in post against WAShington and Clark.I was impressed with his 1v1 defensive stance though I can tell you that. For what it worth I called for him to start over Washington 2months ago though

Unfortunately, for all Cronin's talk about the bench being what will win us games. He doesn't have any trust in the bench (possibly for good reason). The only players he's willing to sub out for any length of time are Washington (usually not for a rest, just because he's angry at Washington's D) and Jenifer/Broome (also not for rest).

Like I said after Houston game, if the game plan is to have Clark/Evans/Cumberland playing 35-40 minutes we will be lucky to make the conference tournament final. They can't keep the energy level up for one whole game playing that many minutes, much less back to back to back games. Cronin has to be willing to let someone (Scott, Moore, Williams) play significant minutes off the bench and give Clark/Evans/Cumberland some rest. 4 guards might be the best way to rest Clark (or Nsoseme at the 4), but we have to do something.

WSU got more rest than us (Morris 33 and Shamet 37 were their only players with >26 minutes and PG's usually can play more minutes as they aren't going in and fighting for rebounds). Houston also only had two guys with >30 minutes (Davis and Davis JR 34 and 33). Cumberland/Evans/Clark were all 37+ vs Houston and 34+ vs WSU. Our best players are playing tired, their best players aren't.

Edit: Cronin should have been using the easy games to give Moore or Williams 20-25 minutes every game and putting up their mistakes so they'd be ready to give at least 15 minutes in big games. Now we have freshmen who don't have enough game experience to even play in big games without being a trainwreck.

(02-19-2018 11:59 AM)payday Wrote:  And all the ultra media bias and UC synophant fringe talk about no signature wins is simply BS. Forget a Top 25 Houston. Cincy beat the blueist of blue bloods UCLA by 15 on the road. A team that’s #2 in the PAC standings and beat both AZ and UK. That’s as signature as it gets.

The team that's in Lunardi's first 4 out?