(02-26-2018 01:51 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 01:39 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 01:02 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 11:01 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 06:52 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Cotton knows what's up. If all those schools got taken by the Big 12 and UCONN got left behind, there's a 100% chance that UCONN would join the Big East in non-football sports. Football would go Independent until it was no longer feasible, eventually dropping back down to FCS.

Why not UCONN to the ACC?

The ACC has to be interested. UConn's best hope to get into the ACC would be if (and it's a massive IF since no one knows how or why they'd be convinced to do it) Notre Dame had to join the ACC for football. The ACC would then need a 16th member. Problem for UConn is that the ACC, even in that situation, may not at that point prefer UConn as #16. Maybe they would want Cincinnati. Maybe Navy for football only. Maybe they would want UCF or USF. Maybe they'd try to get a Big 12 team in the event the Big 12 breaks up.

Whether the ACC regrets having taken Louisville instead of UConn doesn't matter. There's no reversing that decision.

When this shakes out, ND and UCONN will be in the ACC. Unless......

The Big Ten and ND make up and ND receives an invite. Does UCONN follow ND to the Big Ten? ND or Indiana would be in the Big Ten West.

As bad as UCONN Football currently is right now, no P5 league in their right mind would take them. The P5 leagues make enough off TV rights alone that they don't have to have another top shelf basketball program.

Now, if they improve, who knows?

I agree that none of the P5 leagues can make more money by expanding with any G5 school.

I don't agree that a reason for not expanding with UConn is the shape of their football program. If UConn were to join the ACC or B1G, they would be in that league for the next 30+ years. I just don't think the P5 leagues are so short sighted that they'd eliminate a candidate because they've been bad at football lately. Schools, especially at the P5 level, are invited for their prospects in the long view. That's why UCF didn't really lose any value as a P5 candidate when they went 0-12, and, as of now, they haven't gained much from going 13-0. Their long term value is not seen as additive for the Big 12, or else they'd have been added already. It's about their brand much more than their record. UConn could go 11-2 for five straight years and would hardly be any more attractive to a P5 league. It's not fair, but it's just the way it is.

The AD at Louisiana, who spent about 20 years at Missouri, told me last week that P5 Conferences look at Branding, Academics and 4 sports. Football, football, football and last, but not least, football.

And that is why West Virginia will get the invite to the ACC before UCONN does.

(02-26-2018 07:34 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  The AD at Louisiana, who spent about 20 years at Missouri, told me last week that P5 Conferences look at Branding, Academics and 4 sports. Football, football, football and last, but not least, football.

Football does indeed drive the bus. That's has always been the case. The problem facing any G5 school's aspirations of becoming a part of the P5 conferences is that there is simply nowhere to go, so what does it matter what P5 conferences "look at" now?

These days, about the most any of us can hope for is a spot one day in the AAC. Even that is questionable since it would only be possible if some of the top AAC schools had left for a decimated Big 12 after Texas, OK, OK St, and Kansas leave for the PAC 12 or the Big Ten. Would it still be worth the fees a school would incur by leaving the SBC or CUSA to join a decimated AAC? I mean, take Houston, Memphis, CINN, UCF, and USF out of the AAC and what's left? Tulsa, Tulane, SMU........bleh.

Regional realignment of the AAC, SBC, and CUSA looks more and more probable every day, but only after the four schools of the Big 12 that I mentioned do their thing, whatever that'll be.

(02-27-2018 05:41 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Football does indeed drive the bus. That's has always been the case. The problem facing any G5 school's aspirations of becoming a part of the P5 conferences is that there is simply nowhere to go, so what does it matter what P5 conferences "look at" now?

These days, about the most any of us can hope for is a spot one day in the AAC. Even that is questionable since it would only be possible if some of the top AAC schools had left for a decimated Big 12 after Texas, OK, OK St, and Kansas leave for the PAC 12 or the Big Ten. Would it still be worth the fees a school would incur by leaving the SBC or CUSA to join a decimated AAC? I mean, take Houston, Memphis, CINN, UCF, and USF out of the AAC and what's left? Tulsa, Tulane, SMU........bleh.

On the not worth it front, I'm also not sure it would be worth it for those AAC schools to join a depleted B12 consisting of Iowa State, Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech. Depends on the tv deal and any NY6 bowl games outside the Access Bowl, all of which would be questionable.

I personally like our conference the way it is and actually hope any big shakeup that happens allows most of us to stay together.

(02-18-2018 11:34 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  According to TCU's AD the next wave of expansion probably won't take place until 2023-24. Sounds like it could get crazy.

TCU Jeremiah Donati was discussing stadium expansion and TCU's future in the Big 12 said TCU fans shouldn’t be caught off guard if the university ends up switching conferences again when the next wave of realignment occurs.

“I get asked all the time about conference expansion and realignment in 2024 and will this stadium expansion guarantee we’ll stay in the Big 12 Conference?” Donati said. “The answer is no, there are no guarantees.”

Signs have pointed to a potential college football conference realignment perhaps as early as 2023 — a year that will see several television contracts expire. According to ESPN’s Adam Rittenberg, FOX’s broadcasting deals with the Big Ten and Pac-12 will expire in 2023. The network’s contract with the Big 12 expires in 2024.

I really hope some of those lower tier P5's cashing the same checks as AL get the boot and actually have to earn something. Sick of losing recruits to doormats just because they are in a big conference.

(02-27-2018 10:08 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  I personally like our conference the way it is and actually hope any big shakeup that happens allows most of us to stay together.

With being able to have a CCG at 10 and the playoff payout being capped at 10M instead of 1M per school I dont see the AAC or CUSA trying to add teams and at this point. CUSA is a lateral move at best anyway. Both conferences would probably boot a few schools if they could now.

(02-27-2018 09:10 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 05:41 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Football does indeed drive the bus. That's has always been the case. The problem facing any G5 school's aspirations of becoming a part of the P5 conferences is that there is simply nowhere to go, so what does it matter what P5 conferences "look at" now?

These days, about the most any of us can hope for is a spot one day in the AAC. Even that is questionable since it would only be possible if some of the top AAC schools had left for a decimated Big 12 after Texas, OK, OK St, and Kansas leave for the PAC 12 or the Big Ten. Would it still be worth the fees a school would incur by leaving the SBC or CUSA to join a decimated AAC? I mean, take Houston, Memphis, CINN, UCF, and USF out of the AAC and what's left? Tulsa, Tulane, SMU........bleh.

On the not worth it front, I'm also not sure it would be worth it for those AAC schools to join a depleted B12 consisting of Iowa State, Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech. Depends on the tv deal and any NY6 bowl games outside the Access Bowl, all of which would be questionable.

Depends on whats left I suppose and who the school is. Houston, SMU, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane (western schools of the AAC) would jump in a second at a league that played those teams along with Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Kansas St, TCU, and Iowa St. Lets say 2 of the more attractive teams are eliminated (Texas Tech and Oklhoma St), thats still a more geographically coherent conference with opponent locals are more likely to be familiar with than playing east coast teams like Temple or ECU. You should end up with lower cost travel, more walkup ticket sales, and better bowls (as those old B12 schools have higher average attendance than the overall AAC).

If your far away--like UConn or UCF---maybe the decision is harder--but probably not. The fact is, you're never deciding between your current league and the leugue you are invited to in realignment. You're actually deciding between the new league your invted to vs staying in your current league MINUS everyone who decides to leave. Most of the time, its better to leave than be left behind.

(02-27-2018 05:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 09:10 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 05:41 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Football does indeed drive the bus. That's has always been the case. The problem facing any G5 school's aspirations of becoming a part of the P5 conferences is that there is simply nowhere to go, so what does it matter what P5 conferences "look at" now?

These days, about the most any of us can hope for is a spot one day in the AAC. Even that is questionable since it would only be possible if some of the top AAC schools had left for a decimated Big 12 after Texas, OK, OK St, and Kansas leave for the PAC 12 or the Big Ten. Would it still be worth the fees a school would incur by leaving the SBC or CUSA to join a decimated AAC? I mean, take Houston, Memphis, CINN, UCF, and USF out of the AAC and what's left? Tulsa, Tulane, SMU........bleh.

On the not worth it front, I'm also not sure it would be worth it for those AAC schools to join a depleted B12 consisting of Iowa State, Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech. Depends on the tv deal and any NY6 bowl games outside the Access Bowl, all of which would be questionable.

Depends on whats left I suppose and who the school is. Houston, SMU, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane (western schools of the AAC) would jump in a second at a league that played those teams along with Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Kansas St, TCU, and Iowa St. Lets say 2 of the more attractive teams are eliminated (Texas Tech and Oklhoma St), thats still a more geographically coherent conference with opponent locals are more likely to be familiar with than playing east coast teams like Temple or ECU. You should end up with lower cost travel, more walkup ticket sales, and better bowls (as those old B12 schools have higher average attendance than the overall AAC).

If your far away--like UConn or UCF---maybe the decision is harder--but probably not. The fact is, you're never deciding between your current league and the leugue you are invited to in realignment. You're actually deciding between the new league your invted to vs staying in your current league MINUS everyone who decides to leave. Most of the time, its better to leave than be left behind.

Amen to that. It's hard to stay put when you have no idea of who'll be standing with you when the dust settles.

(02-27-2018 05:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 09:10 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 05:41 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Football does indeed drive the bus. That's has always been the case. The problem facing any G5 school's aspirations of becoming a part of the P5 conferences is that there is simply nowhere to go, so what does it matter what P5 conferences "look at" now?

These days, about the most any of us can hope for is a spot one day in the AAC. Even that is questionable since it would only be possible if some of the top AAC schools had left for a decimated Big 12 after Texas, OK, OK St, and Kansas leave for the PAC 12 or the Big Ten. Would it still be worth the fees a school would incur by leaving the SBC or CUSA to join a decimated AAC? I mean, take Houston, Memphis, CINN, UCF, and USF out of the AAC and what's left? Tulsa, Tulane, SMU........bleh.

On the not worth it front, I'm also not sure it would be worth it for those AAC schools to join a depleted B12 consisting of Iowa State, Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech. Depends on the tv deal and any NY6 bowl games outside the Access Bowl, all of which would be questionable.

Depends on whats left I suppose and who the school is. Houston, SMU, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane (western schools of the AAC) would jump in a second at a league that played those teams along with Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Kansas St, TCU, and Iowa St. Lets say 2 of the more attractive teams are eliminated (Texas Tech and Oklhoma St), thats still a more geographically coherent conference with opponent locals are more likely to be familiar with than playing east coast teams like Temple or ECU. You should end up with lower cost travel, more walkup ticket sales, and better bowls (as those old B12 schools have higher average attendance than the overall AAC).

If your far away--like UConn or UCF---maybe the decision is harder--but probably not. The fact is, you're never deciding between your current league and the leugue you are invited to in realignment. You're actually deciding between the new league your invted to vs staying in your current league MINUS everyone who decides to leave. Most of the time, its better to leave than be left behind.

The Big 12 has to add Houston and Memphis to remain viable as a P5.

I am not sure UCF and USF are automatics because of the distances for its non football sports. West Virginia will want Cincinnati.

My guess is that Big 14 would include Cinci and SMU.

Big 14 West

Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
SMU
Texas
Texas Christian
Texas Tech

Big 14 East

Cincinnati
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Memphis
West Virginia



That leaves East Carolina, Navy, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, UCF, USF, and UConn in the American. I would expect UAB and Ga State to get invites to the AAC followed by MTSU and Charlotte to get to 12 members.

(02-28-2018 01:26 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 05:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 09:10 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 05:41 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Football does indeed drive the bus. That's has always been the case. The problem facing any G5 school's aspirations of becoming a part of the P5 conferences is that there is simply nowhere to go, so what does it matter what P5 conferences "look at" now?

These days, about the most any of us can hope for is a spot one day in the AAC. Even that is questionable since it would only be possible if some of the top AAC schools had left for a decimated Big 12 after Texas, OK, OK St, and Kansas leave for the PAC 12 or the Big Ten. Would it still be worth the fees a school would incur by leaving the SBC or CUSA to join a decimated AAC? I mean, take Houston, Memphis, CINN, UCF, and USF out of the AAC and what's left? Tulsa, Tulane, SMU........bleh.

On the not worth it front, I'm also not sure it would be worth it for those AAC schools to join a depleted B12 consisting of Iowa State, Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech. Depends on the tv deal and any NY6 bowl games outside the Access Bowl, all of which would be questionable.

Depends on whats left I suppose and who the school is. Houston, SMU, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane (western schools of the AAC) would jump in a second at a league that played those teams along with Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Kansas St, TCU, and Iowa St. Lets say 2 of the more attractive teams are eliminated (Texas Tech and Oklhoma St), thats still a more geographically coherent conference with opponent locals are more likely to be familiar with than playing east coast teams like Temple or ECU. You should end up with lower cost travel, more walkup ticket sales, and better bowls (as those old B12 schools have higher average attendance than the overall AAC).

If your far away--like UConn or UCF---maybe the decision is harder--but probably not. The fact is, you're never deciding between your current league and the leugue you are invited to in realignment. You're actually deciding between the new league your invted to vs staying in your current league MINUS everyone who decides to leave. Most of the time, its better to leave than be left behind.

The Big 12 has to add Houston and Memphis to remain viable as a P5.

I am not sure UCF and USF are automatics because of the distances for its non football sports. West Virginia will want Cincinnati.

My guess is that Big 14 would include Cinci and SMU.

Big 14 West

Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
SMU
Texas
Texas Christian
Texas Tech

Big 14 East

Cincinnati
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Memphis
West Virginia



That leaves East Carolina, Navy, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, UCF, USF, and UConn in the American. I would expect UAB and Ga State to get invites to the AAC followed by MTSU and Charlotte to get to 12 members.

Big XII needs to keep Texas and OU to remain viable as P5 and they need six others to play to remain an FBS league.

(02-28-2018 02:20 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 01:26 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 05:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 09:10 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 05:41 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Football does indeed drive the bus. That's has always been the case. The problem facing any G5 school's aspirations of becoming a part of the P5 conferences is that there is simply nowhere to go, so what does it matter what P5 conferences "look at" now?

These days, about the most any of us can hope for is a spot one day in the AAC. Even that is questionable since it would only be possible if some of the top AAC schools had left for a decimated Big 12 after Texas, OK, OK St, and Kansas leave for the PAC 12 or the Big Ten. Would it still be worth the fees a school would incur by leaving the SBC or CUSA to join a decimated AAC? I mean, take Houston, Memphis, CINN, UCF, and USF out of the AAC and what's left? Tulsa, Tulane, SMU........bleh.

On the not worth it front, I'm also not sure it would be worth it for those AAC schools to join a depleted B12 consisting of Iowa State, Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech. Depends on the tv deal and any NY6 bowl games outside the Access Bowl, all of which would be questionable.

Depends on whats left I suppose and who the school is. Houston, SMU, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane (western schools of the AAC) would jump in a second at a league that played those teams along with Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Kansas St, TCU, and Iowa St. Lets say 2 of the more attractive teams are eliminated (Texas Tech and Oklhoma St), thats still a more geographically coherent conference with opponent locals are more likely to be familiar with than playing east coast teams like Temple or ECU. You should end up with lower cost travel, more walkup ticket sales, and better bowls (as those old B12 schools have higher average attendance than the overall AAC).

If your far away--like UConn or UCF---maybe the decision is harder--but probably not. The fact is, you're never deciding between your current league and the leugue you are invited to in realignment. You're actually deciding between the new league your invted to vs staying in your current league MINUS everyone who decides to leave. Most of the time, its better to leave than be left behind.

The Big 12 has to add Houston and Memphis to remain viable as a P5.

I am not sure UCF and USF are automatics because of the distances for its non football sports. West Virginia will want Cincinnati.

My guess is that Big 14 would include Cinci and SMU.

Big 14 West

Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
SMU
Texas
Texas Christian
Texas Tech

Big 14 East

Cincinnati
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Memphis
West Virginia



That leaves East Carolina, Navy, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, UCF, USF, and UConn in the American. I would expect UAB and Ga State to get invites to the AAC followed by MTSU and Charlotte to get to 12 members.

Big XII needs to keep Texas and OU to remain viable as P5 and they need six others to play to remain an FBS league.

The Big 12 (8) needs more than eight teams to stay viable.

(02-28-2018 02:34 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 02:20 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 01:26 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 05:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 09:10 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  On the not worth it front, I'm also not sure it would be worth it for those AAC schools to join a depleted B12 consisting of Iowa State, Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech. Depends on the tv deal and any NY6 bowl games outside the Access Bowl, all of which would be questionable.

Depends on whats left I suppose and who the school is. Houston, SMU, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane (western schools of the AAC) would jump in a second at a league that played those teams along with Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Kansas St, TCU, and Iowa St. Lets say 2 of the more attractive teams are eliminated (Texas Tech and Oklhoma St), thats still a more geographically coherent conference with opponent locals are more likely to be familiar with than playing east coast teams like Temple or ECU. You should end up with lower cost travel, more walkup ticket sales, and better bowls (as those old B12 schools have higher average attendance than the overall AAC).

If your far away--like UConn or UCF---maybe the decision is harder--but probably not. The fact is, you're never deciding between your current league and the leugue you are invited to in realignment. You're actually deciding between the new league your invted to vs staying in your current league MINUS everyone who decides to leave. Most of the time, its better to leave than be left behind.

The Big 12 has to add Houston and Memphis to remain viable as a P5.

I am not sure UCF and USF are automatics because of the distances for its non football sports. West Virginia will want Cincinnati.

My guess is that Big 14 would include Cinci and SMU.

Big 14 West

Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
SMU
Texas
Texas Christian
Texas Tech

Big 14 East

Cincinnati
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Memphis
West Virginia



That leaves East Carolina, Navy, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, UCF, USF, and UConn in the American. I would expect UAB and Ga State to get invites to the AAC followed by MTSU and Charlotte to get to 12 members.

Big XII needs to keep Texas and OU to remain viable as P5 and they need six others to play to remain an FBS league.

The Big 12 (8) needs more than eight teams to stay viable.

The Big XII schools not named OU and Texas screwed up last year when they didn't expand. It could have given Cincy, Memphis, Houston and SMU to gain some respect before OU and UT bolt. Now the Big XII will be trying to do that without the two biggest names, and it will be turn out just like the old Big East. And just like ECU finally get that invite to the Big East, it will be the same for those schools wanting that invite to the Big XII. Got invited to the party after the party was over.

(02-28-2018 03:31 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 02:34 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 02:20 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 01:26 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 05:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Depends on whats left I suppose and who the school is. Houston, SMU, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane (western schools of the AAC) would jump in a second at a league that played those teams along with Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Kansas St, TCU, and Iowa St. Lets say 2 of the more attractive teams are eliminated (Texas Tech and Oklhoma St), thats still a more geographically coherent conference with opponent locals are more likely to be familiar with than playing east coast teams like Temple or ECU. You should end up with lower cost travel, more walkup ticket sales, and better bowls (as those old B12 schools have higher average attendance than the overall AAC).

If your far away--like UConn or UCF---maybe the decision is harder--but probably not. The fact is, you're never deciding between your current league and the leugue you are invited to in realignment. You're actually deciding between the new league your invted to vs staying in your current league MINUS everyone who decides to leave. Most of the time, its better to leave than be left behind.

The Big 12 has to add Houston and Memphis to remain viable as a P5.

I am not sure UCF and USF are automatics because of the distances for its non football sports. West Virginia will want Cincinnati.

My guess is that Big 14 would include Cinci and SMU.

Big 14 West

Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
SMU
Texas
Texas Christian
Texas Tech

Big 14 East

Cincinnati
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Memphis
West Virginia



That leaves East Carolina, Navy, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, UCF, USF, and UConn in the American. I would expect UAB and Ga State to get invites to the AAC followed by MTSU and Charlotte to get to 12 members.

Big XII needs to keep Texas and OU to remain viable as P5 and they need six others to play to remain an FBS league.

The Big 12 (8) needs more than eight teams to stay viable.

The Big XII schools not named OU and Texas screwed up last year when they didn't expand. It could have given Cincy, Memphis, Houston and SMU to gain some respect before OU and UT bolt. Now the Big XII will be trying to do that without the two biggest names, and it will be turn out just like the old Big East. And just like ECU finally get that invite to the Big East, it will be the same for those schools wanting that invite to the Big XII. Got invited to the party after the party was over.

I agree with this assessment.

(02-28-2018 04:24 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 03:31 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 02:34 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 02:20 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 01:26 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The Big 12 has to add Houston and Memphis to remain viable as a P5.

I am not sure UCF and USF are automatics because of the distances for its non football sports. West Virginia will want Cincinnati.

My guess is that Big 14 would include Cinci and SMU.

Big 14 West

Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
SMU
Texas
Texas Christian
Texas Tech

Big 14 East

Cincinnati
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Memphis
West Virginia



That leaves East Carolina, Navy, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, UCF, USF, and UConn in the American. I would expect UAB and Ga State to get invites to the AAC followed by MTSU and Charlotte to get to 12 members.

Big XII needs to keep Texas and OU to remain viable as P5 and they need six others to play to remain an FBS league.

The Big 12 (8) needs more than eight teams to stay viable.

The Big XII schools not named OU and Texas screwed up last year when they didn't expand. It could have given Cincy, Memphis, Houston and SMU to gain some respect before OU and UT bolt. Now the Big XII will be trying to do that without the two biggest names, and it will be turn out just like the old Big East. And just like ECU finally get that invite to the Big East, it will be the same for those schools wanting that invite to the Big XII. Got invited to the party after the party was over.

I agree with this assessment.

well they wouldnt gain much respect from anywhere by adding those schools. they dont gain anything from adding smu or memphis but they probably wouldnt be diluted much by adding houston and cincy. those 4 schools are good at the aac level of play and funding. there are really no programs of the level of ou or texas out there to add.

(02-28-2018 01:26 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 05:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 09:10 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 05:41 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Football does indeed drive the bus. That's has always been the case. The problem facing any G5 school's aspirations of becoming a part of the P5 conferences is that there is simply nowhere to go, so what does it matter what P5 conferences "look at" now?

These days, about the most any of us can hope for is a spot one day in the AAC. Even that is questionable since it would only be possible if some of the top AAC schools had left for a decimated Big 12 after Texas, OK, OK St, and Kansas leave for the PAC 12 or the Big Ten. Would it still be worth the fees a school would incur by leaving the SBC or CUSA to join a decimated AAC? I mean, take Houston, Memphis, CINN, UCF, and USF out of the AAC and what's left? Tulsa, Tulane, SMU........bleh.

On the not worth it front, I'm also not sure it would be worth it for those AAC schools to join a depleted B12 consisting of Iowa State, Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech. Depends on the tv deal and any NY6 bowl games outside the Access Bowl, all of which would be questionable.

Depends on whats left I suppose and who the school is. Houston, SMU, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane (western schools of the AAC) would jump in a second at a league that played those teams along with Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Kansas St, TCU, and Iowa St. Lets say 2 of the more attractive teams are eliminated (Texas Tech and Oklhoma St), thats still a more geographically coherent conference with opponent locals are more likely to be familiar with than playing east coast teams like Temple or ECU. You should end up with lower cost travel, more walkup ticket sales, and better bowls (as those old B12 schools have higher average attendance than the overall AAC).

If your far away--like UConn or UCF---maybe the decision is harder--but probably not. The fact is, you're never deciding between your current league and the leugue you are invited to in realignment. You're actually deciding between the new league your invted to vs staying in your current league MINUS everyone who decides to leave. Most of the time, its better to leave than be left behind.

The Big 12 has to add Houston and Memphis to remain viable as a P5.

I am not sure UCF and USF are automatics because of the distances for its non football sports. West Virginia will want Cincinnati.

My guess is that Big 14 would include Cinci and SMU.

Big 14 West

Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
SMU
Texas
Texas Christian
Texas Tech

Big 14 East

Cincinnati
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Memphis
West Virginia



That leaves East Carolina, Navy, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, UCF, USF, and UConn in the American. I would expect UAB and Ga State to get invites to the AAC followed by MTSU and Charlotte to get to 12 members.

With that scenario, Texas A&M will feel left out even with the boat load of cash they are receiving from SEC.

(02-19-2018 05:53 AM)SouthJags2012 Wrote:  Aren't we all just waiting for Alabama, Texas, USC, Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Georgia, Auburn, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Florida State, Florida, Stanford to form a league?

I would say LSU, instead of Stanford.