Here are a few tweets from Jon Wilner in the last couple of days:

Jon Wilner
@wilnerhotline
21h21 hours ago
Source: struggling @Pac12Network informs staff of cost-cutting, restructuring plan, (moves incld elimination of several positions)

Jon Wilner
@wilnerhotline
21h21 hours ago
Source: the @Pac12Network cuts include at least 3 senior-level positions

Jon Wilner
@wilnerhotline
20h20 hours ago
Replying to @LiveInHoth @Pac12Network
Pac12Nets planning full coverage of Feb NSD, as they've done in the past. Which tells you they just had no idea the Dec window was a big deal. Which is bad.

Kim DC‏
@azshadowwalker
Replying to @azshadowwalker @WSRBrad and 2 others
Giving away partial ownership or cutting your own throat by letting DirecTV set all terms is stupid for the conference. And they would be ripped to shreds if they did it, just like people whine about start times after years of demanding we get on ESPN.

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Jon Wilner
@wilnerhotline
20h20 hours ago
Jon Wilner Retweeted Kim DC
the conference cannot sell 49-51% ownership at this point, halfway into the contract cycle. the chance to cash in on 100% model is the only major financial reward left

Also thought this was an interesting article on what exactly has prevented a deal with DirecTV all this time....

Jon Wilner on the carriage negotiations between PAC 12 and DirecTV

Good work ‘tide. Love me some PAC News. They are the 2010 ACC for sure.

The big issue for them is that the PACN is organized in such a way that they can't sell %'s of it. That makes the easiest option for redress either leaving or dissolving. Remember their contract is up in 2024-5 too!

(01-25-2018 10:12 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The big issue for them is that the PACN is organized in such a way that they can't sell %'s of it. That makes the easiest option for redress either leaving or dissolving. Remember their contract is up in 2024-5 too!

There was some discussion in threads about the PAC 12 being split between the B1G and the Big 12. I'm not sure WSU & OSU make the cut but lets assume they do. Since the PAC 12 is a lot less relevant to other areas of the country, would splitting them between two leagues with higher viewing intensity increase interest from other areas of the country in those schools instead of having a homogenous group of apathetic fans? then you would have the OOC games whether in the beginning of the season or the end of the season like the SEC & ACC has with a lot of schools.

ND vs USC only got 3M viewers this year and the game had playoff implications at the time for both schools! You can't tell me if ND vs USC was a B1G conference game they wouldn't have garnered more viewers in B1G viewership states giving it a lot bigger number. If the PAC doesn't like 7 or 7:30 PST starts due to lack of exposure, its not just the start time. They need to engage other areas of the country in their product and I think splitting the west coast schools among the B1G and Big 12 would help that. Conference fans tend to watch their other schools games at a higher % rate then other league games.

The B1G would essentially get the team in each area they wanted first but let Nebraska go to the Big 12 where they would fit better and then take the school they wanted first in each area. Both leagues could go to 18. It would go something like this:
B1G: USC, Stanford, Washington, Oregon & ASU or AZ
Big 12: UCLA, CAL, Colorado, ASU/AZ, WSU, OSU, Utah, Neb.
**Nebraska goes back where they are a better fit and it also allows as a group of 5 instead of 4 in the B1G so their league teams have more area games. It also would be an enticement to ND to think of giving their membership to the B1G eventually if they could be in a league with USC, Stanford, Mich. & MSU. If you don't schedule on pods/divisions you could guarantee those games every year probably or at least 2 of them and the other two every other year or something.

I think the Big 12 would be better off without OSU & WSU obviously but if it was required to take them so nobody was left out it would still be worth it for them. Then propose a WVU for Arkansas trade to the SEC and that's quite a league! Its probably better from an athletic competition stand point for both WVU & Arkansas even if there was still some revenue difference.

If ND was finally off the table my guess is the SEC would take 2-4 teams at least from the ACC they want, possibly more.

Actually if you want to go to a P3, that could be the catalyst. I could see the B1G & SEC going to 24 and the Big 12 going to 20. I hate the idea of a P3 normally but maybe if we went to a 12 team playoff where each league sent its top 3 or even better a 16 team playoff where each league gets 5 teams and the 6th spot rotates each year among the leagues or let the G5 have that spot if there is still a G5.

Since the B1G had 19 above:
B1G: NC, Duke, Va., Pitt., Syracuse
SEC: FSU, Clemson, Miami, Louisville, NC St, Va. Tech, Ga. Tech, Pitt. and one other.

It would be 3 pretty equal leagues. It tries to infuse interest and viewership to the west coast schools by exposing them to other parts of the country. It gives the Big 12 more eyeballs and if it got back a few of its rivalries. Gives the B1G few more recruiting grounds with west coast Atlantic coastal state exposure and the SEC gets to adds some great rivalries and locks down its clamp on southeast recruits.

The SEC still wins the most recruits because there are so many in the southeast but the other parts can compete better also. The viewership should be pretty similar you could even negotiate for tv as one body if they felt that would help get better tv contract. Even if it is everyone for themselves each league can stand on its own.

(01-26-2018 04:55 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 10:12 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The big issue for them is that the PACN is organized in such a way that they can't sell %'s of it. That makes the easiest option for redress either leaving or dissolving. Remember their contract is up in 2024-5 too!

There was some discussion in threads about the PAC 12 being split between the B1G and the Big 12. I'm not sure WSU & OSU make the cut but lets assume they do. Since the PAC 12 is a lot less relevant to other areas of the country, would splitting them between two leagues with higher viewing intensity increase interest from other areas of the country in those schools instead of having a homogenous group of apathetic fans? then you would have the OOC games whether in the beginning of the season or the end of the season like the SEC & ACC has with a lot of schools.

ND vs USC only got 3M viewers this year and the game had playoff implications at the time for both schools! You can't tell me if ND vs USC was a B1G conference game they wouldn't have garnered more viewers in B1G viewership states giving it a lot bigger number. If the PAC doesn't like 7 or 7:30 PST starts due to lack of exposure, its not just the start time. They need to engage other areas of the country in their product and I think splitting the west coast schools among the B1G and Big 12 would help that. Conference fans tend to watch their other schools games at a higher % rate then other league games.

The B1G would essentially get the team in each area they wanted first but let Nebraska go to the Big 12 where they would fit better and then take the school they wanted first in each area. Both leagues could go to 18. It would go something like this:
B1G: USC, Stanford, Washington, Oregon & ASU or AZ
Big 12: UCLA, CAL, Colorado, ASU/AZ, WSU, OSU, Utah, Neb.
**Nebraska goes back where they are a better fit and it also allows as a group of 5 instead of 4 in the B1G so their league teams have more area games. It also would be an enticement to ND to think of giving their membership to the B1G eventually if they could be in a league with USC, Stanford, Mich. & MSU. If you don't schedule on pods/divisions you could guarantee those games every year probably or at least 2 of them and the other two every other year or something.

I think the Big 12 would be better off without OSU & WSU obviously but if it was required to take them so nobody was left out it would still be worth it for them. Then propose a WVU for Arkansas trade to the SEC and that's quite a league! Its probably better from an athletic competition stand point for both WVU & Arkansas even if there was still some revenue difference.

If ND was finally off the table my guess is the SEC would take 2-4 teams at least from the ACC they want, possibly more.

Actually if you want to go to a P3, that could be the catalyst. I could see the B1G & SEC going to 24 and the Big 12 going to 20. I hate the idea of a P3 normally but maybe if we went to a 12 team playoff where each league sent its top 3 or even better a 16 team playoff where each league gets 5 teams and the 6th spot rotates each year among the leagues or let the G5 have that spot if there is still a G5.

Since the B1G had 19 above:
B1G: NC, Duke, Va., Pitt., Syracuse
SEC: FSU, Clemson, Miami, Louisville, NC St, Va. Tech, Ga. Tech, Pitt. and one other.

It would be 3 pretty equal leagues. It tries to infuse interest and viewership to the west coast schools by exposing them to other parts of the country. It gives the Big 12 more eyeballs and if it got back a few of its rivalries. Gives the B1G few more recruiting grounds with west coast Atlantic coastal state exposure and the SEC gets to adds some great rivalries and locks down its clamp on southeast recruits.

The SEC still wins the most recruits because there are so many in the southeast but the other parts can compete better also. The viewership should be pretty similar you could even negotiate for tv as one body if they felt that would help get better tv contract. Even if it is everyone for themselves each league can stand on its own.

I still think the number for a P3 would probably be 20 each. But let's say for the sake of argument that the SEC did expand to 24 and had to do so without the Big 12 being involved. Then probably most of our 10 would come from the ACC.

Remember the SEC has never asked a school to leave and won't. And the expanded SEC would still pay out more than an expanded Big 12 because the product draws more eyes. So who would we take?

Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, Duke, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Louisville.

The Big 10 is at 14 so who would they take, because nobody is leaving the Big 10 either.

California, Colorado, Stanford, Cal Los Angeles, U.S.C., Washington, and Oregon to the West. Notre Dame, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh to the East.

So the Big 10 becomes something like this:

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse

Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

California, Cal Los Angeles, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington.


The SEC looks like this:

Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Miami

Alabama, Clemson, Kentucky South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville (West Virginia)

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M

So where does the Big 12 go to expand?

Brigham Young, Fresno State, Nevada Las-Vegas, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Boise State, Nevada, San Diego State, Wyoming

Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Cincinnati, Colorado State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia (Louisville)


Now there's 72 programs. At that point the Big 12 could talk to the SEC about agreeing to exchange Louisville for West Virginia to make the geography work a bit better. But I promise you that the Big 10 would take the top California product for the academics and markets and because of tradition. So Fresno State and San Diego State would be needed for market share there. The two Nevada's tie it all together and Wyoming is respectable in football as is Boise State. Colorado State is another market add and now you have a truly Southwest to West feel for the conference.

How about something like this?

The powers of the Big 12 and Pac 12 decide to call it quits once their contracts are up. They decide instead to forge ahead with a new cooperative built from scratch.

From the Big 12...Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa State decide to stick together.

From the Pac 12...UCLA, USC, California, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Arizona State, and Colorado stick together

Being that the Big Ten's contract is up about the same time, they allow Nebraska to move back to a more natural grouping.

A new Western league is formed:

West: Arizona, UCLA, USC, California, Stanford, Oregon, Washington,

East: Arizona State, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa State

I think that league could garner pretty good money and have a nice, profitable network.

The question then is how does this affect the other Power leagues and especially the remnants?

What about this?

The remnants of the Pac 12 and Big 12 could also team up with a few G5s and form a decent Western league:

West: San Diego State, Fresno State, Oregon State, Washington State, Utah, BYU, Boise State

East: Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Colorado State

The networks probably like this because they still get above average content that crosses multiple time zones. They get all the halfway relevant programs from a large portion of the country, but they don't have to pay top dollar for all these schools as the real money makers have been consolidated in one league. This is a very solid tweener conference that could in some respect allow for the redefinition of what a Power conference is.

(01-26-2018 09:55 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  How about something like this?

The powers of the Big 12 and Pac 12 decide to call it quits once their contracts are up. They decide instead to forge ahead with a new cooperative built from scratch.

From the Big 12...Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa State decide to stick together.

From the Pac 12...UCLA, USC, California, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Arizona State, and Colorado stick together

Being that the Big Ten's contract is up about the same time, they allow Nebraska to move back to a more natural grouping.

A new Western league is formed:

West: Arizona, UCLA, USC, California, Stanford, Oregon, Washington,

East: Arizona State, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa State

I think that league could garner pretty good money and have a nice, profitable network.

The question then is how does this affect the other Power leagues and especially the remnants?

What about this?

The remnants of the Pac 12 and Big 12 could also team up with a few G5s and form a decent Western league:

West: San Diego State, Fresno State, Oregon State, Washington State, Utah, BYU, Boise State

East: Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Colorado State

The networks probably like this because they still get above average content that crosses multiple time zones. They get all the halfway relevant programs from a large portion of the country, but they don't have to pay top dollar for all these schools as the real money makers have been consolidated in one league. This is a very solid tweener conference that could in some respect allow for the redefinition of what a Power conference is.

Well, you've tinkered around with it until you came up with a great idea. I like it. Now for the obstacles. The PAC requires 9 votes to disband. The Big 12 requires 8 votes to disband. The dissolving of conferences is quite another legal issue than nullifying a GOR.

So let's amend this a tad.

You have 7 PAC schools headed to the NEW conference. Let's find homes for 2 more in a P5 conference. Let's send Colorado and Kansas to the Big 10. Now they are at 16.

The NEW conference still gets Cal, UCLA, USC, Stanford, Washington, Oregon and Utah, only Arizona and Arizona State are coming along as well. Now we have 9 schools coming to the NEW conference from the PAC.

Kansas is headed to the Big 12.

So now the Big 12 needs 7 more schools placed to make this work. Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas State and Iowa State will all be part of the new conference as will Baylor.

T.C.U. and West Virginia now have some value to the SEC.

So your NEW conference now looks like this:

Arizona, Arizona State, U.S.C., U.C.L.A

California, Oregon, Stanford, Washington

Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Utah

Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas

The SEC looks like this:

Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia

Arkansas, Missouri, Texas A&M, T.C.U.

Alabama, L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina

The Big 10 now looks like this:

Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue

Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska

Now the ACC can add Connecticut or Connecticut and wait on Notre Dame.

(01-26-2018 05:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 04:55 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 10:12 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The big issue for them is that the PACN is organized in such a way that they can't sell %'s of it. That makes the easiest option for redress either leaving or dissolving. Remember their contract is up in 2024-5 too!

There was some discussion in threads about the PAC 12 being split between the B1G and the Big 12. I'm not sure WSU & OSU make the cut but lets assume they do. Since the PAC 12 is a lot less relevant to other areas of the country, would splitting them between two leagues with higher viewing intensity increase interest from other areas of the country in those schools instead of having a homogenous group of apathetic fans? then you would have the OOC games whether in the beginning of the season or the end of the season like the SEC & ACC has with a lot of schools.

ND vs USC only got 3M viewers this year and the game had playoff implications at the time for both schools! You can't tell me if ND vs USC was a B1G conference game they wouldn't have garnered more viewers in B1G viewership states giving it a lot bigger number. If the PAC doesn't like 7 or 7:30 PST starts due to lack of exposure, its not just the start time. They need to engage other areas of the country in their product and I think splitting the west coast schools among the B1G and Big 12 would help that. Conference fans tend to watch their other schools games at a higher % rate then other league games.

The B1G would essentially get the team in each area they wanted first but let Nebraska go to the Big 12 where they would fit better and then take the school they wanted first in each area. Both leagues could go to 18. It would go something like this:
B1G: USC, Stanford, Washington, Oregon & ASU or AZ
Big 12: UCLA, CAL, Colorado, ASU/AZ, WSU, OSU, Utah, Neb.
**Nebraska goes back where they are a better fit and it also allows as a group of 5 instead of 4 in the B1G so their league teams have more area games. It also would be an enticement to ND to think of giving their membership to the B1G eventually if they could be in a league with USC, Stanford, Mich. & MSU. If you don't schedule on pods/divisions you could guarantee those games every year probably or at least 2 of them and the other two every other year or something.

I think the Big 12 would be better off without OSU & WSU obviously but if it was required to take them so nobody was left out it would still be worth it for them. Then propose a WVU for Arkansas trade to the SEC and that's quite a league! Its probably better from an athletic competition stand point for both WVU & Arkansas even if there was still some revenue difference.

If ND was finally off the table my guess is the SEC would take 2-4 teams at least from the ACC they want, possibly more.

Actually if you want to go to a P3, that could be the catalyst. I could see the B1G & SEC going to 24 and the Big 12 going to 20. I hate the idea of a P3 normally but maybe if we went to a 12 team playoff where each league sent its top 3 or even better a 16 team playoff where each league gets 5 teams and the 6th spot rotates each year among the leagues or let the G5 have that spot if there is still a G5.

Since the B1G had 19 above:
B1G: NC, Duke, Va., Pitt., Syracuse
SEC: FSU, Clemson, Miami, Louisville, NC St, Va. Tech, Ga. Tech, Pitt. and one other.

It would be 3 pretty equal leagues. It tries to infuse interest and viewership to the west coast schools by exposing them to other parts of the country. It gives the Big 12 more eyeballs and if it got back a few of its rivalries. Gives the B1G few more recruiting grounds with west coast Atlantic coastal state exposure and the SEC gets to adds some great rivalries and locks down its clamp on southeast recruits.

The SEC still wins the most recruits because there are so many in the southeast but the other parts can compete better also. The viewership should be pretty similar you could even negotiate for tv as one body if they felt that would help get better tv contract. Even if it is everyone for themselves each league can stand on its own.

I still think the number for a P3 would probably be 20 each. But let's say for the sake of argument that the SEC did expand to 24 and had to do so without the Big 12 being involved. Then probably most of our 10 would come from the ACC.

Remember the SEC has never asked a school to leave and won't. And the expanded SEC would still pay out more than an expanded Big 12 because the product draws more eyes. So who would we take?

Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, Duke, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Louisville.

The Big 10 is at 14 so who would they take, because nobody is leaving the Big 10 either.

California, Colorado, Stanford, Cal Los Angeles, U.S.C., Washington, and Oregon to the West. Notre Dame, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh to the East.

So the Big 10 becomes something like this:

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse

Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

California, Cal Los Angeles, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington.


The SEC looks like this:

Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Miami

Alabama, Clemson, Kentucky South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville (West Virginia)

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M

So where does the Big 12 go to expand?

Brigham Young, Fresno State, Nevada Las-Vegas, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Boise State, Nevada, San Diego State, Wyoming

Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Cincinnati, Colorado State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia (Louisville)


Now there's 72 programs. At that point the Big 12 could talk to the SEC about agreeing to exchange Louisville for West Virginia to make the geography work a bit better. But I promise you that the Big 10 would take the top California product for the academics and markets and because of tradition. So Fresno State and San Diego State would be needed for market share there. The two Nevada's tie it all together and Wyoming is respectable in football as is Boise State. Colorado State is another market add and now you have a truly Southwest to West feel for the conference.

There is no way the Big 12 wouldn't make these additions. They may take the two Arizona schools, Louisville and BYU or Utah. the other schools wouldn't have the value needed. A league wouldn't pay them competitively for those additions, so they wouldn't ever do it.

(01-27-2018 04:22 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 05:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 04:55 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 10:12 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The big issue for them is that the PACN is organized in such a way that they can't sell %'s of it. That makes the easiest option for redress either leaving or dissolving. Remember their contract is up in 2024-5 too!

There was some discussion in threads about the PAC 12 being split between the B1G and the Big 12. I'm not sure WSU & OSU make the cut but lets assume they do. Since the PAC 12 is a lot less relevant to other areas of the country, would splitting them between two leagues with higher viewing intensity increase interest from other areas of the country in those schools instead of having a homogenous group of apathetic fans? then you would have the OOC games whether in the beginning of the season or the end of the season like the SEC & ACC has with a lot of schools.

ND vs USC only got 3M viewers this year and the game had playoff implications at the time for both schools! You can't tell me if ND vs USC was a B1G conference game they wouldn't have garnered more viewers in B1G viewership states giving it a lot bigger number. If the PAC doesn't like 7 or 7:30 PST starts due to lack of exposure, its not just the start time. They need to engage other areas of the country in their product and I think splitting the west coast schools among the B1G and Big 12 would help that. Conference fans tend to watch their other schools games at a higher % rate then other league games.

The B1G would essentially get the team in each area they wanted first but let Nebraska go to the Big 12 where they would fit better and then take the school they wanted first in each area. Both leagues could go to 18. It would go something like this:
B1G: USC, Stanford, Washington, Oregon & ASU or AZ
Big 12: UCLA, CAL, Colorado, ASU/AZ, WSU, OSU, Utah, Neb.
**Nebraska goes back where they are a better fit and it also allows as a group of 5 instead of 4 in the B1G so their league teams have more area games. It also would be an enticement to ND to think of giving their membership to the B1G eventually if they could be in a league with USC, Stanford, Mich. & MSU. If you don't schedule on pods/divisions you could guarantee those games every year probably or at least 2 of them and the other two every other year or something.

I think the Big 12 would be better off without OSU & WSU obviously but if it was required to take them so nobody was left out it would still be worth it for them. Then propose a WVU for Arkansas trade to the SEC and that's quite a league! Its probably better from an athletic competition stand point for both WVU & Arkansas even if there was still some revenue difference.

If ND was finally off the table my guess is the SEC would take 2-4 teams at least from the ACC they want, possibly more.

Actually if you want to go to a P3, that could be the catalyst. I could see the B1G & SEC going to 24 and the Big 12 going to 20. I hate the idea of a P3 normally but maybe if we went to a 12 team playoff where each league sent its top 3 or even better a 16 team playoff where each league gets 5 teams and the 6th spot rotates each year among the leagues or let the G5 have that spot if there is still a G5.

Since the B1G had 19 above:
B1G: NC, Duke, Va., Pitt., Syracuse
SEC: FSU, Clemson, Miami, Louisville, NC St, Va. Tech, Ga. Tech, Pitt. and one other.

It would be 3 pretty equal leagues. It tries to infuse interest and viewership to the west coast schools by exposing them to other parts of the country. It gives the Big 12 more eyeballs and if it got back a few of its rivalries. Gives the B1G few more recruiting grounds with west coast Atlantic coastal state exposure and the SEC gets to adds some great rivalries and locks down its clamp on southeast recruits.

The SEC still wins the most recruits because there are so many in the southeast but the other parts can compete better also. The viewership should be pretty similar you could even negotiate for tv as one body if they felt that would help get better tv contract. Even if it is everyone for themselves each league can stand on its own.

I still think the number for a P3 would probably be 20 each. But let's say for the sake of argument that the SEC did expand to 24 and had to do so without the Big 12 being involved. Then probably most of our 10 would come from the ACC.

Remember the SEC has never asked a school to leave and won't. And the expanded SEC would still pay out more than an expanded Big 12 because the product draws more eyes. So who would we take?

Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, Duke, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Louisville.

The Big 10 is at 14 so who would they take, because nobody is leaving the Big 10 either.

California, Colorado, Stanford, Cal Los Angeles, U.S.C., Washington, and Oregon to the West. Notre Dame, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh to the East.

So the Big 10 becomes something like this:

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse

Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

California, Cal Los Angeles, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington.


The SEC looks like this:

Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Miami

Alabama, Clemson, Kentucky South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville (West Virginia)

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M

So where does the Big 12 go to expand?

Brigham Young, Fresno State, Nevada Las-Vegas, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Boise State, Nevada, San Diego State, Wyoming

Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Cincinnati, Colorado State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia (Louisville)


Now there's 72 programs. At that point the Big 12 could talk to the SEC about agreeing to exchange Louisville for West Virginia to make the geography work a bit better. But I promise you that the Big 10 would take the top California product for the academics and markets and because of tradition. So Fresno State and San Diego State would be needed for market share there. The two Nevada's tie it all together and Wyoming is respectable in football as is Boise State. Colorado State is another market add and now you have a truly Southwest to West feel for the conference.

There is no way the Big 12 wouldn't make these additions. They may take the two Arizona schools, Louisville and BYU or Utah. the other schools wouldn't have the value needed. A league wouldn't pay them competitively for those additions, so they wouldn't ever do it.

Fine then. They become a conference of 14 and everyone gets paid more and Texas stays at home with their buddies and OU. It still works.

(01-27-2018 04:22 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 05:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 04:55 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 10:12 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The big issue for them is that the PACN is organized in such a way that they can't sell %'s of it. That makes the easiest option for redress either leaving or dissolving. Remember their contract is up in 2024-5 too!

There was some discussion in threads about the PAC 12 being split between the B1G and the Big 12. I'm not sure WSU & OSU make the cut but lets assume they do. Since the PAC 12 is a lot less relevant to other areas of the country, would splitting them between two leagues with higher viewing intensity increase interest from other areas of the country in those schools instead of having a homogenous group of apathetic fans? then you would have the OOC games whether in the beginning of the season or the end of the season like the SEC & ACC has with a lot of schools.

ND vs USC only got 3M viewers this year and the game had playoff implications at the time for both schools! You can't tell me if ND vs USC was a B1G conference game they wouldn't have garnered more viewers in B1G viewership states giving it a lot bigger number. If the PAC doesn't like 7 or 7:30 PST starts due to lack of exposure, its not just the start time. They need to engage other areas of the country in their product and I think splitting the west coast schools among the B1G and Big 12 would help that. Conference fans tend to watch their other schools games at a higher % rate then other league games.

The B1G would essentially get the team in each area they wanted first but let Nebraska go to the Big 12 where they would fit better and then take the school they wanted first in each area. Both leagues could go to 18. It would go something like this:
B1G: USC, Stanford, Washington, Oregon & ASU or AZ
Big 12: UCLA, CAL, Colorado, ASU/AZ, WSU, OSU, Utah, Neb.
**Nebraska goes back where they are a better fit and it also allows as a group of 5 instead of 4 in the B1G so their league teams have more area games. It also would be an enticement to ND to think of giving their membership to the B1G eventually if they could be in a league with USC, Stanford, Mich. & MSU. If you don't schedule on pods/divisions you could guarantee those games every year probably or at least 2 of them and the other two every other year or something.

I think the Big 12 would be better off without OSU & WSU obviously but if it was required to take them so nobody was left out it would still be worth it for them. Then propose a WVU for Arkansas trade to the SEC and that's quite a league! Its probably better from an athletic competition stand point for both WVU & Arkansas even if there was still some revenue difference.

If ND was finally off the table my guess is the SEC would take 2-4 teams at least from the ACC they want, possibly more.

Actually if you want to go to a P3, that could be the catalyst. I could see the B1G & SEC going to 24 and the Big 12 going to 20. I hate the idea of a P3 normally but maybe if we went to a 12 team playoff where each league sent its top 3 or even better a 16 team playoff where each league gets 5 teams and the 6th spot rotates each year among the leagues or let the G5 have that spot if there is still a G5.

Since the B1G had 19 above:
B1G: NC, Duke, Va., Pitt., Syracuse
SEC: FSU, Clemson, Miami, Louisville, NC St, Va. Tech, Ga. Tech, Pitt. and one other.

It would be 3 pretty equal leagues. It tries to infuse interest and viewership to the west coast schools by exposing them to other parts of the country. It gives the Big 12 more eyeballs and if it got back a few of its rivalries. Gives the B1G few more recruiting grounds with west coast Atlantic coastal state exposure and the SEC gets to adds some great rivalries and locks down its clamp on southeast recruits.

The SEC still wins the most recruits because there are so many in the southeast but the other parts can compete better also. The viewership should be pretty similar you could even negotiate for tv as one body if they felt that would help get better tv contract. Even if it is everyone for themselves each league can stand on its own.

I still think the number for a P3 would probably be 20 each. But let's say for the sake of argument that the SEC did expand to 24 and had to do so without the Big 12 being involved. Then probably most of our 10 would come from the ACC.

Remember the SEC has never asked a school to leave and won't. And the expanded SEC would still pay out more than an expanded Big 12 because the product draws more eyes. So who would we take?

Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, Duke, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Louisville.

The Big 10 is at 14 so who would they take, because nobody is leaving the Big 10 either.

California, Colorado, Stanford, Cal Los Angeles, U.S.C., Washington, and Oregon to the West. Notre Dame, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh to the East.

So the Big 10 becomes something like this:

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse

Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

California, Cal Los Angeles, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington.


The SEC looks like this:

Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Miami

Alabama, Clemson, Kentucky South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville (West Virginia)

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M

So where does the Big 12 go to expand?

Brigham Young, Fresno State, Nevada Las-Vegas, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, Boise State, Nevada, San Diego State, Wyoming

Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Cincinnati, Colorado State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, West Virginia (Louisville)


Now there's 72 programs. At that point the Big 12 could talk to the SEC about agreeing to exchange Louisville for West Virginia to make the geography work a bit better. But I promise you that the Big 10 would take the top California product for the academics and markets and because of tradition. So Fresno State and San Diego State would be needed for market share there. The two Nevada's tie it all together and Wyoming is respectable in football as is Boise State. Colorado State is another market add and now you have a truly Southwest to West feel for the conference.

There is no way the Big 12 wouldn't make these additions. They may take the two Arizona schools, Louisville and BYU or Utah. the other schools wouldn't have the value needed. A league wouldn't pay them competitively for those additions, so they wouldn't ever do it.

Didn’t BYU have code of conduct issues outside of the no Sunday play rule that concerned Big 12 officials?