Conference/Attendance Average / Gross Total Revenue Average / WSJ Estimated Values For Product Average

1. SEC / 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $523,416,428

2. B1G / 66,162 / $108,269,417 / $415,748,643

3. B12 / 57,238 / $102,170,537 / $376,433,300

4. PAC / 50,112 / $ 89,239,736 / $253,766,417

5. ACC / 49,827 / $ 87,034,205 / $182,383,929


When Discussing Realignment Fans Ignore Statistics That Can Indicate the Value of a Team to a Conference.

The first number is the average football attendance of the conference. This number tends to indicate the impact that those schools can have when visiting your campus. That is why they are important. They aren't a deal maker, but they can be a deal breaker.

The second number is the average gross total revenue earned by a conference school. If a candidate's gross total revenue is at or above the average gross revenue for a conference it generally indicates whether or not the school being added brings enough value for consideration. But in fairness you have to handicap this number by subtracting the total TV revenue of the conference of the candidate from the total of the conference which is looking to add them.

For comparison's sake last year the SEC earned 40.1 million in TV revenue and the Big 10 earned about 43 million for all tiers, the Big 12 35 million plus their T3, the PAC roughly 29 million for all tiers, and the ACC roughly 28 million for all tiers.

The third number is the dollar amount of impact that a school brings to its surrounding markets. This might be the best factor to consider when looking at whether or not a school will pay its own way into another conference. It's also the best way to see whether or not a pair of schools add value.

To make that determination add the total impact value of the pair of schools and divide by 2. If that average is higher than the conference average for the conference they wish to join the answer is yes. If it is lower than that average then the answer is no.

When you've done this you will find that the number of schools which could add value to a particular conference is much smaller than you might think.

Candidates that add to the averages of the SEC:
SEC avgs: 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $ 525,416,428
1. Texas: 97,881 / $182,104,126 / $1,243,124,000
2. Oklahoma: 86,857 / $150,371,878 / $1,001,967,000
3. Notre Dame: 80,795 / $134,211,095 / $ 856,938,000
4. Florida St.: 76,800 / $123,344,314 / $ 385,938,000
5. Clemson: 80,970 / $ 95,800,326 / $328,411,000

No other schools add to any metric for the SEC.

The following schools might be considered for market Additions and Academics:

1. Virginia 39,929 / $100,632,895 / $ 168,534,000
2. Kansas 25,828 / $ 94,697,418 / $ 183,031,000
3. T.C.U. 45,168 / $ 93,259,382 / $ 153,631,000
4. Duke 29,895 / $ 91,971,836 / $ 64,195,000
5. West Va. 57,583 / $ 91,412,352 / $ 72,649,000
6. North Car. 50,250 / $ 90,969,518 / $ 147,179,000
7. Ok. State 53,814 / $ 90,049,297 / $ 285,293,000
8. Miami 58,572 / $ 85,615,972 / $ 254,502,000
9. Va. Tech 63,043 / $ 84,064,779 / $ 269,883,000
10. N.C.St. 57,497 / $ 80,255,029 / $ 191,813,000


For the Big 10 there are only 3 schools that add to their metrics:
1. Texas
2. Oklahoma
3. Notre Dame

For the markets and academics compare the following to the Big 10's averages:
1. Virginia
2. North Carolina
3. Virginia Tech
4. Duke
5. N.C. State
6. Syracuse


So if you are going to propose that certain schools should be placed in any conference my suggestion is to run the numbers and see if it is doable first. In the vast majority of cases it will not be.

(01-22-2018 06:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Conference/Attendance Average / Gross Total Revenue Average / WSJ Estimated Values For Product Average

1. SEC / 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $523,416,428

2. B1G / 66,162 / $108,269,417 / $415,748,643

3. B12 / 57,238 / $102,170,537 / $376,433,300

4. PAC / 50,112 / $ 89,239,736 / $253,766,417

5. ACC / 49,827 / $ 87,034,205 / $182,383,929


When Discussing Realignment Fans Ignore Statistics That Can Indicate the Value of a Team to a Conference.

The first number is the average football attendance of the conference. This number tends to indicate the impact that those schools can have when visiting your campus. That is why they are important. They aren't a deal maker, but they can be a deal breaker.

The second number is the average gross total revenue earned by a conference school. If a candidate's gross total revenue is at or above the average gross revenue for a conference it generally indicates whether or not the school being added brings enough value for consideration. But in fairness you have to handicap this number by subtracting the total TV revenue of the conference of the candidate from the total of the conference which is looking to add them.

For comparison's sake last year the SEC earned 40.1 million in TV revenue and the Big 10 earned about 43 million for all tiers, the Big 12 35 million plus their T3, the PAC roughly 29 million for all tiers, and the ACC roughly 28 million for all tiers.

The third number is the dollar amount of impact that a school brings to its surrounding markets. This might be the best factor to consider when looking at whether or not a school will pay its own way into another conference. It's also the best way to see whether or not a pair of schools add value.

To make that determination add the total impact value of the pair of schools and divide by 2. If that average is higher than the conference average for the conference they wish to join the answer is yes. If it is lower than that average then the answer is no.

When you've done this you will find that the number of schools which could add value to a particular conference is much smaller than you might think.

Candidates that add to the averages of the SEC:
SEC avgs: 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $ 525,416,428
1. Texas: 97,881 / $182,104,126 / $1,243,124,000
2. Oklahoma: 86,857 / $150,371,878 / $1,001,967,000
3. Notre Dame: 80,795 / $134,211,095 / $ 856,938,000
4. Florida St.: 76,800 / $123,344,314 / $ 385,938,000
5. Clemson: 80,970 / $ 95,800,326 / $328,411,000

No other schools add to any metric for the SEC.

The following schools might be considered for market Additions and Academics:

1. Virginia 39,929 / $100,632,895 / $ 168,534,000
2. Kansas 25,828 / $ 94,697,418 / $ 183,031,000
3. T.C.U. 45,168 / $ 93,259,382 / $ 153,631,000
4. Duke 29,895 / $ 91,971,836 / $ 64,195,000
5. West Va. 57,583 / $ 91,412,352 / $ 72,649,000
6. North Car. 50,250 / $ 90,969,518 / $ 147,179,000
7. Ok. State 53,814 / $ 90,049,297 / $ 285,293,000
8. Miami 58,572 / $ 85,615,972 / $ 254,502,000
9. Va. Tech 63,043 / $ 84,064,779 / $ 269,883,000
10. N.C.St. 57,497 / $ 80,255,029 / $ 191,813,000


For the Big 10 there are only 3 schools that add to their metrics:
1. Texas
2. Oklahoma
3. Notre Dame

For the markets and academics compare the following to the Big 10's averages:
1. Virginia
2. North Carolina
3. Virginia Tech
4. Duke
5. N.C. State
6. Syracuse


So if you are going to propose that certain schools should be placed in any conference my suggestion is to run the numbers and see if it is doable first. In the vast majority of cases it will not be.

Solid post and a good caution. However, how much more value does the SEC offer to a school? Some borderline cases may jump up.

(01-22-2018 07:21 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 06:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Conference/Attendance Average / Gross Total Revenue Average / WSJ Estimated Values For Product Average

1. SEC / 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $523,416,428

2. B1G / 66,162 / $108,269,417 / $415,748,643

3. B12 / 57,238 / $102,170,537 / $376,433,300

4. PAC / 50,112 / $ 89,239,736 / $253,766,417

5. ACC / 49,827 / $ 87,034,205 / $182,383,929


When Discussing Realignment Fans Ignore Statistics That Can Indicate the Value of a Team to a Conference.

The first number is the average football attendance of the conference. This number tends to indicate the impact that those schools can have when visiting your campus. That is why they are important. They aren't a deal maker, but they can be a deal breaker.

The second number is the average gross total revenue earned by a conference school. If a candidate's gross total revenue is at or above the average gross revenue for a conference it generally indicates whether or not the school being added brings enough value for consideration. But in fairness you have to handicap this number by subtracting the total TV revenue of the conference of the candidate from the total of the conference which is looking to add them.

For comparison's sake last year the SEC earned 40.1 million in TV revenue and the Big 10 earned about 43 million for all tiers, the Big 12 35 million plus their T3, the PAC roughly 29 million for all tiers, and the ACC roughly 28 million for all tiers.

The third number is the dollar amount of impact that a school brings to its surrounding markets. This might be the best factor to consider when looking at whether or not a school will pay its own way into another conference. It's also the best way to see whether or not a pair of schools add value.

To make that determination add the total impact value of the pair of schools and divide by 2. If that average is higher than the conference average for the conference they wish to join the answer is yes. If it is lower than that average then the answer is no.

When you've done this you will find that the number of schools which could add value to a particular conference is much smaller than you might think.

Candidates that add to the averages of the SEC:
SEC avgs: 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $ 525,416,428
1. Texas: 97,881 / $182,104,126 / $1,243,124,000
2. Oklahoma: 86,857 / $150,371,878 / $1,001,967,000
3. Notre Dame: 80,795 / $134,211,095 / $ 856,938,000
4. Florida St.: 76,800 / $123,344,314 / $ 385,938,000
5. Clemson: 80,970 / $ 95,800,326 / $328,411,000

No other schools add to any metric for the SEC.

The following schools might be considered for market Additions and Academics:

1. Virginia 39,929 / $100,632,895 / $ 168,534,000
2. Kansas 25,828 / $ 94,697,418 / $ 183,031,000
3. T.C.U. 45,168 / $ 93,259,382 / $ 153,631,000
4. Duke 29,895 / $ 91,971,836 / $ 64,195,000
5. West Va. 57,583 / $ 91,412,352 / $ 72,649,000
6. North Car. 50,250 / $ 90,969,518 / $ 147,179,000
7. Ok. State 53,814 / $ 90,049,297 / $ 285,293,000
8. Miami 58,572 / $ 85,615,972 / $ 254,502,000
9. Va. Tech 63,043 / $ 84,064,779 / $ 269,883,000
10. N.C.St. 57,497 / $ 80,255,029 / $ 191,813,000


For the Big 10 there are only 3 schools that add to their metrics:
1. Texas
2. Oklahoma
3. Notre Dame

For the markets and academics compare the following to the Big 10's averages:
1. Virginia
2. North Carolina
3. Virginia Tech
4. Duke
5. N.C. State
6. Syracuse


So if you are going to propose that certain schools should be placed in any conference my suggestion is to run the numbers and see if it is doable first. In the vast majority of cases it will not be.

Solid post and a good caution. However, how much more value does the SEC offer to a school? Some borderline cases may jump up.

I intentionally left out a few points to save for discussion. Borderline cases fall into two categories, one of which the value will never fade, and the other falling within an area where value is already diminishing.

A borderline candidate with a stadium capacity of over 70,000, whose gross total revenue is within 20 million of the SEC's, and who has strong valuation for how they impact their area, and also has brand recognition for a region like Va Tech, Miami, N.C. State, Clemson, F.S.U. will get a leg up in all of the statistics by being associated with the SEC.

I found it interesting just how good Oklahoma State's numbers stacked up to the ACC schools.

The valuation of their city and state impact reflected within the WSJ's numbers is telling. One reason Okie St's impact numbers are fairly high is because of DFW where they do have some penetration.

By comparison look at how low UNC & Duke's #'s are by comparison. The one that surprised me was Virginia's gross revenue numbers. Those were solid, while their impact numbers were not that great.

I could see why Oklahoma/Oklahoma State would not be a bad twosome.

(01-22-2018 08:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 07:21 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 06:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Conference/Attendance Average / Gross Total Revenue Average / WSJ Estimated Values For Product Average

1. SEC / 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $523,416,428

2. B1G / 66,162 / $108,269,417 / $415,748,643

3. B12 / 57,238 / $102,170,537 / $376,433,300

4. PAC / 50,112 / $ 89,239,736 / $253,766,417

5. ACC / 49,827 / $ 87,034,205 / $182,383,929


When Discussing Realignment Fans Ignore Statistics That Can Indicate the Value of a Team to a Conference.

The first number is the average football attendance of the conference. This number tends to indicate the impact that those schools can have when visiting your campus. That is why they are important. They aren't a deal maker, but they can be a deal breaker.

The second number is the average gross total revenue earned by a conference school. If a candidate's gross total revenue is at or above the average gross revenue for a conference it generally indicates whether or not the school being added brings enough value for consideration. But in fairness you have to handicap this number by subtracting the total TV revenue of the conference of the candidate from the total of the conference which is looking to add them.

For comparison's sake last year the SEC earned 40.1 million in TV revenue and the Big 10 earned about 43 million for all tiers, the Big 12 35 million plus their T3, the PAC roughly 29 million for all tiers, and the ACC roughly 28 million for all tiers.

The third number is the dollar amount of impact that a school brings to its surrounding markets. This might be the best factor to consider when looking at whether or not a school will pay its own way into another conference. It's also the best way to see whether or not a pair of schools add value.

To make that determination add the total impact value of the pair of schools and divide by 2. If that average is higher than the conference average for the conference they wish to join the answer is yes. If it is lower than that average then the answer is no.

When you've done this you will find that the number of schools which could add value to a particular conference is much smaller than you might think.

Candidates that add to the averages of the SEC:
SEC avgs: 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $ 525,416,428
1. Texas: 97,881 / $182,104,126 / $1,243,124,000
2. Oklahoma: 86,857 / $150,371,878 / $1,001,967,000
3. Notre Dame: 80,795 / $134,211,095 / $ 856,938,000
4. Florida St.: 76,800 / $123,344,314 / $ 385,938,000
5. Clemson: 80,970 / $ 95,800,326 / $328,411,000

No other schools add to any metric for the SEC.

The following schools might be considered for market Additions and Academics:

1. Virginia 39,929 / $100,632,895 / $ 168,534,000
2. Kansas 25,828 / $ 94,697,418 / $ 183,031,000
3. T.C.U. 45,168 / $ 93,259,382 / $ 153,631,000
4. Duke 29,895 / $ 91,971,836 / $ 64,195,000
5. West Va. 57,583 / $ 91,412,352 / $ 72,649,000
6. North Car. 50,250 / $ 90,969,518 / $ 147,179,000
7. Ok. State 53,814 / $ 90,049,297 / $ 285,293,000
8. Miami 58,572 / $ 85,615,972 / $ 254,502,000
9. Va. Tech 63,043 / $ 84,064,779 / $ 269,883,000
10. N.C.St. 57,497 / $ 80,255,029 / $ 191,813,000


For the Big 10 there are only 3 schools that add to their metrics:
1. Texas
2. Oklahoma
3. Notre Dame

For the markets and academics compare the following to the Big 10's averages:
1. Virginia
2. North Carolina
3. Virginia Tech
4. Duke
5. N.C. State
6. Syracuse


So if you are going to propose that certain schools should be placed in any conference my suggestion is to run the numbers and see if it is doable first. In the vast majority of cases it will not be.

Solid post and a good caution. However, how much more value does the SEC offer to a school? Some borderline cases may jump up.

I intentionally left out a few points to save for discussion. Borderline cases fall into two categories, one of which the value will never fade, and the other falling within an area where value is already diminishing.

A borderline candidate with a stadium capacity of over 70,000, whose gross total revenue is within 20 million of the SEC's, and who has strong valuation for how they impact their area, and also has brand recognition for a region like Va Tech, Miami, N.C. State, Clemson, F.S.U. will get a leg up in all of the statistics by being associated with the SEC.

I found it interesting just how good Oklahoma State's numbers stacked up to the ACC schools.

The valuation of their city and state impact reflected within the WSJ's numbers is telling. One reason Okie St's impact numbers are fairly high is because of DFW where they do have some penetration.

By comparison look at how low UNC & Duke's #'s are by comparison. The one that surprised me was Virginia's gross revenue numbers. Those were solid, while their impact numbers were not that great.

I could see why Oklahoma/Oklahoma State would not be a bad twosome.

If OK State either pulled up its academic standing or became a basketball standout I'd be all in.

Surprising about UNC/Duke/UVA, but if those schools become available in think the SEC has a hard time turning them down.

(01-22-2018 09:05 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 08:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 07:21 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 06:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Conference/Attendance Average / Gross Total Revenue Average / WSJ Estimated Values For Product Average

1. SEC / 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $523,416,428

2. B1G / 66,162 / $108,269,417 / $415,748,643

3. B12 / 57,238 / $102,170,537 / $376,433,300

4. PAC / 50,112 / $ 89,239,736 / $253,766,417

5. ACC / 49,827 / $ 87,034,205 / $182,383,929


When Discussing Realignment Fans Ignore Statistics That Can Indicate the Value of a Team to a Conference.

The first number is the average football attendance of the conference. This number tends to indicate the impact that those schools can have when visiting your campus. That is why they are important. They aren't a deal maker, but they can be a deal breaker.

The second number is the average gross total revenue earned by a conference school. If a candidate's gross total revenue is at or above the average gross revenue for a conference it generally indicates whether or not the school being added brings enough value for consideration. But in fairness you have to handicap this number by subtracting the total TV revenue of the conference of the candidate from the total of the conference which is looking to add them.

For comparison's sake last year the SEC earned 40.1 million in TV revenue and the Big 10 earned about 43 million for all tiers, the Big 12 35 million plus their T3, the PAC roughly 29 million for all tiers, and the ACC roughly 28 million for all tiers.

The third number is the dollar amount of impact that a school brings to its surrounding markets. This might be the best factor to consider when looking at whether or not a school will pay its own way into another conference. It's also the best way to see whether or not a pair of schools add value.

To make that determination add the total impact value of the pair of schools and divide by 2. If that average is higher than the conference average for the conference they wish to join the answer is yes. If it is lower than that average then the answer is no.

When you've done this you will find that the number of schools which could add value to a particular conference is much smaller than you might think.

Candidates that add to the averages of the SEC:
SEC avgs: 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $ 525,416,428
1. Texas: 97,881 / $182,104,126 / $1,243,124,000
2. Oklahoma: 86,857 / $150,371,878 / $1,001,967,000
3. Notre Dame: 80,795 / $134,211,095 / $ 856,938,000
4. Florida St.: 76,800 / $123,344,314 / $ 385,938,000
5. Clemson: 80,970 / $ 95,800,326 / $328,411,000

No other schools add to any metric for the SEC.

The following schools might be considered for market Additions and Academics:

1. Virginia 39,929 / $100,632,895 / $ 168,534,000
2. Kansas 25,828 / $ 94,697,418 / $ 183,031,000
3. T.C.U. 45,168 / $ 93,259,382 / $ 153,631,000
4. Duke 29,895 / $ 91,971,836 / $ 64,195,000
5. West Va. 57,583 / $ 91,412,352 / $ 72,649,000
6. North Car. 50,250 / $ 90,969,518 / $ 147,179,000
7. Ok. State 53,814 / $ 90,049,297 / $ 285,293,000
8. Miami 58,572 / $ 85,615,972 / $ 254,502,000
9. Va. Tech 63,043 / $ 84,064,779 / $ 269,883,000
10. N.C.St. 57,497 / $ 80,255,029 / $ 191,813,000


For the Big 10 there are only 3 schools that add to their metrics:
1. Texas
2. Oklahoma
3. Notre Dame

For the markets and academics compare the following to the Big 10's averages:
1. Virginia
2. North Carolina
3. Virginia Tech
4. Duke
5. N.C. State
6. Syracuse


So if you are going to propose that certain schools should be placed in any conference my suggestion is to run the numbers and see if it is doable first. In the vast majority of cases it will not be.

Solid post and a good caution. However, how much more value does the SEC offer to a school? Some borderline cases may jump up.

I intentionally left out a few points to save for discussion. Borderline cases fall into two categories, one of which the value will never fade, and the other falling within an area where value is already diminishing.

A borderline candidate with a stadium capacity of over 70,000, whose gross total revenue is within 20 million of the SEC's, and who has strong valuation for how they impact their area, and also has brand recognition for a region like Va Tech, Miami, N.C. State, Clemson, F.S.U. will get a leg up in all of the statistics by being associated with the SEC.

I found it interesting just how good Oklahoma State's numbers stacked up to the ACC schools.

The valuation of their city and state impact reflected within the WSJ's numbers is telling. One reason Okie St's impact numbers are fairly high is because of DFW where they do have some penetration.

By comparison look at how low UNC & Duke's #'s are by comparison. The one that surprised me was Virginia's gross revenue numbers. Those were solid, while their impact numbers were not that great.

I could see why Oklahoma/Oklahoma State would not be a bad twosome.

If OK State either pulled up its academic standing or became a basketball standout I'd be all in.

Surprising about UNC/Duke/UVA, but if those schools become available in think the SEC has a hard time turning them down.

I agree. But, it would only be because the SEC is keen to enhance its academic profile. But even then we have to be able to monetize the large markets of Virginia and North Carolina to make it pay for itself. As long as there is a semblance of the subscription fee model that is doable. If we ever move to any pay model based on the actual number of viewers it could easily be a different story. Suddenly Virginia Tech and N.C. State would find more appeal as an actual sports product.

(01-22-2018 06:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Candidates that add to the averages of the SEC:
SEC avgs: 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $ 525,416,428
1. Texas: 97,881 / $182,104,126 / $1,243,124,000
2. Oklahoma: 86,857 / $150,371,878 / $1,001,967,000
3. Notre Dame: 80,795 / $134,211,095 / $ 856,938,000
4. Florida St.: 76,800 / $123,344,314 / $ 385,938,000
5. Clemson: 80,970 / $ 95,800,326 / $328,411,000

No other schools add to any metric for the SEC.

The following schools might be considered for market Additions and Academics:

1. Virginia 39,929 / $100,632,895 / $ 168,534,000
2. Kansas 25,828 / $ 94,697,418 / $ 183,031,000
3. T.C.U. 45,168 / $ 93,259,382 / $ 153,631,000
4. Duke 29,895 / $ 91,971,836 / $ 64,195,000
5. West Va. 57,583 / $ 91,412,352 / $ 72,649,000
6. North Car. 50,250 / $ 90,969,518 / $ 147,179,000
7. Ok. State 53,814 / $ 90,049,297 / $ 285,293,000
8. Miami 58,572 / $ 85,615,972 / $ 254,502,000
9. Va. Tech 63,043 / $ 84,064,779 / $ 269,883,000
10. N.C.St. 57,497 / $ 80,255,029 / $ 191,813,000

Let me throw something out there...

There are only 3 schools that unequivocally add to the bottom line while there's a handful more that would probably add value and/or prestige once all metrics are accounted for. Now let's say for sake of argument that ESPN was willing to be creative with which schools go where.

What the SEC needs is about 4 schools that make a lot of sense while the ACC in all honesty needs more than that. Not that I expect the following scenario to play out, but if I was sitting in a boardroom somewhere I wouldn't feel bad offering it up.

SEC adds Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, NC State, and Oklahoma State

The SEC gets a premier brand, taps 2 large markets, and compromises slightly by taking OSU so that other moves can be made more smoothly on the Western side.

ACC adds Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa State, West Virginia, and TCU

The ACC gets 2 of the more valuable brands in college athletics while also adding a strong regional brand in KU. ISU offers them another market and another AAU school. West Virginia helps shore up anything they lost by trading off 2 Mid-Atlantic schools. TCU is a solid add that makes UT happy and brings the region together.


Divisions could work something like this:

SEC:

West: Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss
South: Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
North: Notre Dame, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, NC State, Virginia Tech

ACC:

West: Texas, TCU, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa State, Louisville
South: Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Wake Forest, West Virginia
North: North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College

(01-22-2018 09:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 06:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Candidates that add to the averages of the SEC:
SEC avgs: 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $ 525,416,428
1. Texas: 97,881 / $182,104,126 / $1,243,124,000
2. Oklahoma: 86,857 / $150,371,878 / $1,001,967,000
3. Notre Dame: 80,795 / $134,211,095 / $ 856,938,000
4. Florida St.: 76,800 / $123,344,314 / $ 385,938,000
5. Clemson: 80,970 / $ 95,800,326 / $328,411,000

No other schools add to any metric for the SEC.

The following schools might be considered for market Additions and Academics:

1. Virginia 39,929 / $100,632,895 / $ 168,534,000
2. Kansas 25,828 / $ 94,697,418 / $ 183,031,000
3. T.C.U. 45,168 / $ 93,259,382 / $ 153,631,000
4. Duke 29,895 / $ 91,971,836 / $ 64,195,000
5. West Va. 57,583 / $ 91,412,352 / $ 72,649,000
6. North Car. 50,250 / $ 90,969,518 / $ 147,179,000
7. Ok. State 53,814 / $ 90,049,297 / $ 285,293,000
8. Miami 58,572 / $ 85,615,972 / $ 254,502,000
9. Va. Tech 63,043 / $ 84,064,779 / $ 269,883,000
10. N.C.St. 57,497 / $ 80,255,029 / $ 191,813,000

Let me throw something out there...

There are only 3 schools that unequivocally add to the bottom line while there's a handful more that would probably add value and/or prestige once all metrics are accounted for. Now let's say for sake of argument that ESPN was willing to be creative with which schools go where.

What the SEC needs is about 4 schools that make a lot of sense while the ACC in all honesty needs more than that. Not that I expect the following scenario to play out, but if I was sitting in a boardroom somewhere I wouldn't feel bad offering it up.

SEC adds Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, NC State, and Oklahoma State

The SEC gets a premier brand, taps 2 large markets, and compromises slightly by taking OSU so that other moves can be made more smoothly on the Western side.

ACC adds Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa State, West Virginia, and TCU

The ACC gets 2 of the more valuable brands in college athletics while also adding a strong regional brand in KU. ISU offers them another market and another AAU school. West Virginia helps shore up anything they lost by trading off 2 Mid-Atlantic schools. TCU is a solid add that makes UT happy and brings the region together.


Divisions could work something like this:

SEC:

West: Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss
South: Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
North: Notre Dame, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, NC State, Virginia Tech

ACC:

West: Texas, TCU, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa State, Louisville
South: Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Wake Forest, West Virginia
North: North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College

The biggest problem out of several with this line of reasoning is that it presupposes that Notre Dame would join the SEC, they won't. They don't want stiffer competition. They want access to the South without having to play the South's toughest schools week in and week out to get it. They want scheduling freedom and don't want to be locked into 8 or 9 conference games.

I think the brand needs to be Oklahoma and if we have to take Oklahoma State to get them then fine. After all it still adds to the bottom line.

If we were to work a larger deal with the ACC then Virginia Tech and N.C. State would be welcomed additions. By yielding those 2 places the ACC could add 4 Big 12 schools to move to 18. Texas, Texas Christian, Baylor, and Texas Tech along with Notre Dame in full would do. By adding 2 school who together add over 2 billion dollars worth of sports value to their portfolio would go a long way towards catching up with the Big 10 and SEC.

Then the SEC would be adding a double dip into DFW, a huge national brand, and two large states. I'd call that fair, and a lot more doable.

(01-22-2018 06:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Conference/Attendance Average / Gross Total Revenue Average / WSJ Estimated Values For Product Average

1. SEC / 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $523,416,428

2. B1G / 66,162 / $108,269,417 / $415,748,643

3. B12 / 57,238 / $102,170,537 / $376,433,300

4. PAC / 50,112 / $ 89,239,736 / $253,766,417

5. ACC / 49,827 / $ 87,034,205 / $182,383,929


When Discussing Realignment Fans Ignore Statistics That Can Indicate the Value of a Team to a Conference.

The first number is the average football attendance of the conference. This number tends to indicate the impact that those schools can have when visiting your campus. That is why they are important. They aren't a deal maker, but they can be a deal breaker.

The second number is the average gross total revenue earned by a conference school. If a candidate's gross total revenue is at or above the average gross revenue for a conference it generally indicates whether or not the school being added brings enough value for consideration. But in fairness you have to handicap this number by subtracting the total TV revenue of the conference of the candidate from the total of the conference which is looking to add them.

For comparison's sake last year the SEC earned 40.1 million in TV revenue and the Big 10 earned about 43 million for all tiers, the Big 12 35 million plus their T3, the PAC roughly 29 million for all tiers, and the ACC roughly 28 million for all tiers.

The third number is the dollar amount of impact that a school brings to its surrounding markets. This might be the best factor to consider when looking at whether or not a school will pay its own way into another conference. It's also the best way to see whether or not a pair of schools add value.

To make that determination add the total impact value of the pair of schools and divide by 2. If that average is higher than the conference average for the conference they wish to join the answer is yes. If it is lower than that average then the answer is no.

When you've done this you will find that the number of schools which could add value to a particular conference is much smaller than you might think.

Candidates that add to the averages of the SEC:
SEC avgs: 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $ 525,416,428
1. Texas: 97,881 / $182,104,126 / $1,243,124,000
2. Oklahoma: 86,857 / $150,371,878 / $1,001,967,000
3. Notre Dame: 80,795 / $134,211,095 / $ 856,938,000
4. Florida St.: 76,800 / $123,344,314 / $ 385,938,000
5. Clemson: 80,970 / $ 95,800,326 / $328,411,000

No other schools add to any metric for the SEC.

The following schools might be considered for market Additions and Academics:

1. Virginia 39,929 / $100,632,895 / $ 168,534,000
2. Kansas 25,828 / $ 94,697,418 / $ 183,031,000
3. T.C.U. 45,168 / $ 93,259,382 / $ 153,631,000
4. Duke 29,895 / $ 91,971,836 / $ 64,195,000
5. West Va. 57,583 / $ 91,412,352 / $ 72,649,000
6. North Car. 50,250 / $ 90,969,518 / $ 147,179,000
7. Ok. State 53,814 / $ 90,049,297 / $ 285,293,000
8. Miami 58,572 / $ 85,615,972 / $ 254,502,000
9. Va. Tech 63,043 / $ 84,064,779 / $ 269,883,000
10. N.C.St. 57,497 / $ 80,255,029 / $ 191,813,000


For the Big 10 there are only 3 schools that add to their metrics:
1. Texas
2. Oklahoma
3. Notre Dame

For the markets and academics compare the following to the Big 10's averages:
1. Virginia
2. North Carolina
3. Virginia Tech
4. Duke
5. N.C. State
6. Syracuse


So if you are going to propose that certain schools should be placed in any conference my suggestion is to run the numbers and see if it is doable first. In the vast majority of cases it will not be.

The OU/OSU combination tidally beats all the average SEC metrics except attendance. You get complete penetration in the state of Oklahoma and more inroads into the metroplex.

The next realistic combo would be WVU and VT. Basically, the SEC adds new territory with two sports crazy schools that extend their boundaries into the DC and Pittsburgh markets.

Still believe Texas ain’t getting in.

(01-23-2018 01:27 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 06:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Conference/Attendance Average / Gross Total Revenue Average / WSJ Estimated Values For Product Average

1. SEC / 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $523,416,428

2. B1G / 66,162 / $108,269,417 / $415,748,643

3. B12 / 57,238 / $102,170,537 / $376,433,300

4. PAC / 50,112 / $ 89,239,736 / $253,766,417

5. ACC / 49,827 / $ 87,034,205 / $182,383,929


When Discussing Realignment Fans Ignore Statistics That Can Indicate the Value of a Team to a Conference.

The first number is the average football attendance of the conference. This number tends to indicate the impact that those schools can have when visiting your campus. That is why they are important. They aren't a deal maker, but they can be a deal breaker.

The second number is the average gross total revenue earned by a conference school. If a candidate's gross total revenue is at or above the average gross revenue for a conference it generally indicates whether or not the school being added brings enough value for consideration. But in fairness you have to handicap this number by subtracting the total TV revenue of the conference of the candidate from the total of the conference which is looking to add them.

For comparison's sake last year the SEC earned 40.1 million in TV revenue and the Big 10 earned about 43 million for all tiers, the Big 12 35 million plus their T3, the PAC roughly 29 million for all tiers, and the ACC roughly 28 million for all tiers.

The third number is the dollar amount of impact that a school brings to its surrounding markets. This might be the best factor to consider when looking at whether or not a school will pay its own way into another conference. It's also the best way to see whether or not a pair of schools add value.

To make that determination add the total impact value of the pair of schools and divide by 2. If that average is higher than the conference average for the conference they wish to join the answer is yes. If it is lower than that average then the answer is no.

When you've done this you will find that the number of schools which could add value to a particular conference is much smaller than you might think.

Candidates that add to the averages of the SEC:
SEC avgs: 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $ 525,416,428
1. Texas: 97,881 / $182,104,126 / $1,243,124,000
2. Oklahoma: 86,857 / $150,371,878 / $1,001,967,000
3. Notre Dame: 80,795 / $134,211,095 / $ 856,938,000
4. Florida St.: 76,800 / $123,344,314 / $ 385,938,000
5. Clemson: 80,970 / $ 95,800,326 / $328,411,000

No other schools add to any metric for the SEC.

The following schools might be considered for market Additions and Academics:

1. Virginia 39,929 / $100,632,895 / $ 168,534,000
2. Kansas 25,828 / $ 94,697,418 / $ 183,031,000
3. T.C.U. 45,168 / $ 93,259,382 / $ 153,631,000
4. Duke 29,895 / $ 91,971,836 / $ 64,195,000
5. West Va. 57,583 / $ 91,412,352 / $ 72,649,000
6. North Car. 50,250 / $ 90,969,518 / $ 147,179,000
7. Ok. State 53,814 / $ 90,049,297 / $ 285,293,000
8. Miami 58,572 / $ 85,615,972 / $ 254,502,000
9. Va. Tech 63,043 / $ 84,064,779 / $ 269,883,000
10. N.C.St. 57,497 / $ 80,255,029 / $ 191,813,000


For the Big 10 there are only 3 schools that add to their metrics:
1. Texas
2. Oklahoma
3. Notre Dame

For the markets and academics compare the following to the Big 10's averages:
1. Virginia
2. North Carolina
3. Virginia Tech
4. Duke
5. N.C. State
6. Syracuse


So if you are going to propose that certain schools should be placed in any conference my suggestion is to run the numbers and see if it is doable first. In the vast majority of cases it will not be.

The OU/OSU combination tidally beats all the average SEC metrics except attendance. You get complete penetration in the state of Oklahoma and more inroads into the metroplex.

The next realistic combo would be WVU and VT. Basically, the SEC adds new territory with two sports crazy schools that extend their boundaries into the DC and Pittsburgh markets.

Still believe Texas ain’t getting in.

The beauty of it is that if we have Oklahoma we have every major city in Texas covered between A&M, L.S.U. and the two Oklahoma's. So....we don't need Texas.

I like your thinking about Va Tech & W.V.U.. It has some possibilities provided a North Carolina school can't be pulled at that time.

(01-23-2018 02:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 01:27 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 06:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Conference/Attendance Average / Gross Total Revenue Average / WSJ Estimated Values For Product Average

1. SEC / 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $523,416,428

2. B1G / 66,162 / $108,269,417 / $415,748,643

3. B12 / 57,238 / $102,170,537 / $376,433,300

4. PAC / 50,112 / $ 89,239,736 / $253,766,417

5. ACC / 49,827 / $ 87,034,205 / $182,383,929


When Discussing Realignment Fans Ignore Statistics That Can Indicate the Value of a Team to a Conference.

The first number is the average football attendance of the conference. This number tends to indicate the impact that those schools can have when visiting your campus. That is why they are important. They aren't a deal maker, but they can be a deal breaker.

The second number is the average gross total revenue earned by a conference school. If a candidate's gross total revenue is at or above the average gross revenue for a conference it generally indicates whether or not the school being added brings enough value for consideration. But in fairness you have to handicap this number by subtracting the total TV revenue of the conference of the candidate from the total of the conference which is looking to add them.

For comparison's sake last year the SEC earned 40.1 million in TV revenue and the Big 10 earned about 43 million for all tiers, the Big 12 35 million plus their T3, the PAC roughly 29 million for all tiers, and the ACC roughly 28 million for all tiers.

The third number is the dollar amount of impact that a school brings to its surrounding markets. This might be the best factor to consider when looking at whether or not a school will pay its own way into another conference. It's also the best way to see whether or not a pair of schools add value.

To make that determination add the total impact value of the pair of schools and divide by 2. If that average is higher than the conference average for the conference they wish to join the answer is yes. If it is lower than that average then the answer is no.

When you've done this you will find that the number of schools which could add value to a particular conference is much smaller than you might think.

Candidates that add to the averages of the SEC:
SEC avgs: 77,565 / $121,240,504 / $ 525,416,428
1. Texas: 97,881 / $182,104,126 / $1,243,124,000
2. Oklahoma: 86,857 / $150,371,878 / $1,001,967,000
3. Notre Dame: 80,795 / $134,211,095 / $ 856,938,000
4. Florida St.: 76,800 / $123,344,314 / $ 385,938,000
5. Clemson: 80,970 / $ 95,800,326 / $328,411,000

No other schools add to any metric for the SEC.

The following schools might be considered for market Additions and Academics:

1. Virginia 39,929 / $100,632,895 / $ 168,534,000
2. Kansas 25,828 / $ 94,697,418 / $ 183,031,000
3. T.C.U. 45,168 / $ 93,259,382 / $ 153,631,000
4. Duke 29,895 / $ 91,971,836 / $ 64,195,000
5. West Va. 57,583 / $ 91,412,352 / $ 72,649,000
6. North Car. 50,250 / $ 90,969,518 / $ 147,179,000
7. Ok. State 53,814 / $ 90,049,297 / $ 285,293,000
8. Miami 58,572 / $ 85,615,972 / $ 254,502,000
9. Va. Tech 63,043 / $ 84,064,779 / $ 269,883,000
10. N.C.St. 57,497 / $ 80,255,029 / $ 191,813,000


For the Big 10 there are only 3 schools that add to their metrics:
1. Texas
2. Oklahoma
3. Notre Dame

For the markets and academics compare the following to the Big 10's averages:
1. Virginia
2. North Carolina
3. Virginia Tech
4. Duke
5. N.C. State
6. Syracuse


So if you are going to propose that certain schools should be placed in any conference my suggestion is to run the numbers and see if it is doable first. In the vast majority of cases it will not be.

The OU/OSU combination tidally beats all the average SEC metrics except attendance. You get complete penetration in the state of Oklahoma and more inroads into the metroplex.

The next realistic combo would be WVU and VT. Basically, the SEC adds new territory with two sports crazy schools that extend their boundaries into the DC and Pittsburgh markets.

Still believe Texas ain’t getting in.

The beauty of it is that if we have Oklahoma we have every major city in Texas covered between A&M, L.S.U. and the two Oklahoma's. So....we don't need Texas.

I like your thinking about Va Tech & W.V.U.. It has some possibilities provided a North Carolina school can't be pulled at that time.

VPI and VT are old natural rivals. Even before their Big East Days. What is nice about these two is they penetrate markets outside their natural state borders. Not many high paying jobs around Blacksburg VA so most of VT’s alum come from or work in coastal VA/ the tidewater, Northern VA and Washington DC. WVU gets you very deep statewide penetration, inroads to Pittsburgh, DC, and New Jersey—huge percentage of students from the Garden State. I just think those are the two Northern most SEC type schools that we could add.

NC State wouldn’t be bad, but I’m not sure they want to leave the ACC. We did have conversations with VT and gave WVU a “to do list”.

As long as conference networks exist, we are working with the market model. Alabama could have all of the eyeballs in the county on them and Vanderbilt and Mississippi State are going to get paid an equal amount to the Tide.
Streaming may change the delivery system of content, but it won't change the distribution of money.

What is most efficient for ESPN in a somewhat compatible fit to maximize viewership for the SEC AND the ACC?

For the SEC it could be the addition of West Virginia and Virginia Tech in exchange for Vanderbilt and Auburn to benefit the ACC. Both conferences still at 14.
Add NC State and Oklahoma to the SEC and you have a lot more eyeballs and content.
The ACC then moves with Tulane and Texas.
Check it out on a map before you scoff.
Those moves maximize ESPN's investment without having to try to force Notre Dame into a full time move.

The problem with NC State is that the UNC System will have to allow them to leave. They might not go for it under the best of circumstances, but I'd think the ACC would have to be getting significant value in return to consider it. I'm not sure how you'd put pressure on them barring some sort of pending collapse scenario. I don't think NC State or Virginia Tech will be available though until ESPN decides to give up on an ACC Network. They might yet abandon ship on that, but who knows.

How about this for an out of the box idea? There were rumors a few years ago that the Big Ten was offering a package deal to Virginia and Virginia Tech. What if we did the same? Forget about the NC school for the time being, just see if both VA schools would like to come together. Cut the B1G off to some degree and see if it makes it easier to pry one NC school out a little later.

Barring dysfunction in the ACC though, the easiest ones to take for us will be in the Big 12. If we really wanted 4 then I think ideally it would be these 4: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and West Virginia. Of course, it probably won't be that easy. However, I do think Kansas would be a solid addition that would be worthy of maneuvering in order to acquire if for no more reason than to help both Missouri and Oklahoma feel more at home.

(01-23-2018 06:16 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The problem with NC State is that the UNC System will have to allow them to leave. They might not go for it under the best of circumstances, but I'd think the ACC would have to be getting significant value in return to consider it. I'm not sure how you'd put pressure on them barring some sort of pending collapse scenario. I don't think NC State or Virginia Tech will be available though until ESPN decides to give up on an ACC Network. They might yet abandon ship on that, but who knows.

How about this for an out of the box idea? There were rumors a few years ago that the Big Ten was offering a package deal to Virginia and Virginia Tech. What if we did the same? Forget about the NC school for the time being, just see if both VA schools would like to come together. Cut the B1G off to some degree and see if it makes it easier to pry one NC school out a little later.

Barring dysfunction in the ACC though, the easiest ones to take for us will be in the Big 12. If we really wanted 4 then I think ideally it would be these 4: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and West Virginia. Of course, it probably won't be that easy. However, I do think Kansas would be a solid addition that would be worthy of maneuvering in order to acquire if for no more reason than to help both Missouri and Oklahoma feel more at home.

UVa to the SEC?

(01-23-2018 07:55 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 06:16 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The problem with NC State is that the UNC System will have to allow them to leave. They might not go for it under the best of circumstances, but I'd think the ACC would have to be getting significant value in return to consider it. I'm not sure how you'd put pressure on them barring some sort of pending collapse scenario. I don't think NC State or Virginia Tech will be available though until ESPN decides to give up on an ACC Network. They might yet abandon ship on that, but who knows.

How about this for an out of the box idea? There were rumors a few years ago that the Big Ten was offering a package deal to Virginia and Virginia Tech. What if we did the same? Forget about the NC school for the time being, just see if both VA schools would like to come together. Cut the B1G off to some degree and see if it makes it easier to pry one NC school out a little later.

Barring dysfunction in the ACC though, the easiest ones to take for us will be in the Big 12. If we really wanted 4 then I think ideally it would be these 4: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and West Virginia. Of course, it probably won't be that easy. However, I do think Kansas would be a solid addition that would be worthy of maneuvering in order to acquire if for no more reason than to help both Missouri and Oklahoma feel more at home.

UVa to the SEC?

Makes as much sense as South Carolina to the ACC.

JR - I appreciate the numbers and statistics. It really puts each conference in perspective as well as the SEC's potential candidates. The jewels of Texas, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame would be worth the fight for any conference. Being that the SEC is already dominate in football, if I were the conference commissioner, I would seek to upgrade the academic and basketball profile of the conference. That being said, I have to believe some (if not many) schools have the "Bobby Bowden - Florida St" belief that they'd rather play in an "easier" conference despite the money or prestige.

(01-23-2018 10:19 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  JR - I appreciate the numbers and statistics. It really puts each conference in perspective as well as the SEC's potential candidates. The jewels of Texas, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame would be worth the fight for any conference. Being that the SEC is already dominate in football, if I were the conference commissioner, I would seek to upgrade the academic and basketball profile of the conference. That being said, I have to believe some (if not many) schools have the "Bobby Bowden - Florida St" belief that they'd rather play in an "easier" conference despite the money or prestige.

Well given the tenor of some of the posts above what I would say is this:

1. The SEC wouldn't agree to let Auburn go. The Iron bowl is annually one of, if not the, top draw of the year and Auburn is a top 10 to top 12 school annually in gross total revenue, top 12 in attendance, and does quite well with economic impact data.

2. ESPN will place product where they can earn the most from it and so will any network.

3. The vast majority of schools who move, will move to the conference that is geographically the closest and which pays them the most. The choose geography because of the minor sports travel costs. They choose the conference that pays the most and cost them the least to play in.

4. The only scenario out there that can level the playing field enough to keep all market forces engaged until the next to last week of the season is the "Champs Only" model. It can't guarantee a spread of championships, but it can guarantee that each of the P4 conferences at least make the semi finals.

(01-23-2018 09:09 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 07:55 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 06:16 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The problem with NC State is that the UNC System will have to allow them to leave. They might not go for it under the best of circumstances, but I'd think the ACC would have to be getting significant value in return to consider it. I'm not sure how you'd put pressure on them barring some sort of pending collapse scenario. I don't think NC State or Virginia Tech will be available though until ESPN decides to give up on an ACC Network. They might yet abandon ship on that, but who knows.

How about this for an out of the box idea? There were rumors a few years ago that the Big Ten was offering a package deal to Virginia and Virginia Tech. What if we did the same? Forget about the NC school for the time being, just see if both VA schools would like to come together. Cut the B1G off to some degree and see if it makes it easier to pry one NC school out a little later.

Barring dysfunction in the ACC though, the easiest ones to take for us will be in the Big 12. If we really wanted 4 then I think ideally it would be these 4: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and West Virginia. Of course, it probably won't be that easy. However, I do think Kansas would be a solid addition that would be worthy of maneuvering in order to acquire if for no more reason than to help both Missouri and Oklahoma feel more at home.

UVa to the SEC?

Makes as much sense as South Carolina to the ACC.

Not really. South Carolina and the ACC have a shared culture and history.
Heck we even still share the state of South Carolina.
I'm not sure the ACC would take 'lil carolina back.

(01-28-2018 07:36 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 09:09 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 07:55 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 06:16 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The problem with NC State is that the UNC System will have to allow them to leave. They might not go for it under the best of circumstances, but I'd think the ACC would have to be getting significant value in return to consider it. I'm not sure how you'd put pressure on them barring some sort of pending collapse scenario. I don't think NC State or Virginia Tech will be available though until ESPN decides to give up on an ACC Network. They might yet abandon ship on that, but who knows.

How about this for an out of the box idea? There were rumors a few years ago that the Big Ten was offering a package deal to Virginia and Virginia Tech. What if we did the same? Forget about the NC school for the time being, just see if both VA schools would like to come together. Cut the B1G off to some degree and see if it makes it easier to pry one NC school out a little later.

Barring dysfunction in the ACC though, the easiest ones to take for us will be in the Big 12. If we really wanted 4 then I think ideally it would be these 4: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and West Virginia. Of course, it probably won't be that easy. However, I do think Kansas would be a solid addition that would be worthy of maneuvering in order to acquire if for no more reason than to help both Missouri and Oklahoma feel more at home.

UVa to the SEC?

Makes as much sense as South Carolina to the ACC.

Not really. South Carolina and the ACC have a shared culture and history.
Heck we even still share the state of South Carolina.
I'm not sure the ACC would take 'lil carolina back.

All of the core SEC schools and most, if not all, of the core ACC schools have a shared history and a shared heritage. So this line of argumentation is absurd.

(01-28-2018 07:36 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 09:09 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 07:55 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 06:16 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The problem with NC State is that the UNC System will have to allow them to leave. They might not go for it under the best of circumstances, but I'd think the ACC would have to be getting significant value in return to consider it. I'm not sure how you'd put pressure on them barring some sort of pending collapse scenario. I don't think NC State or Virginia Tech will be available though until ESPN decides to give up on an ACC Network. They might yet abandon ship on that, but who knows.

How about this for an out of the box idea? There were rumors a few years ago that the Big Ten was offering a package deal to Virginia and Virginia Tech. What if we did the same? Forget about the NC school for the time being, just see if both VA schools would like to come together. Cut the B1G off to some degree and see if it makes it easier to pry one NC school out a little later.

Barring dysfunction in the ACC though, the easiest ones to take for us will be in the Big 12. If we really wanted 4 then I think ideally it would be these 4: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and West Virginia. Of course, it probably won't be that easy. However, I do think Kansas would be a solid addition that would be worthy of maneuvering in order to acquire if for no more reason than to help both Missouri and Oklahoma feel more at home.

UVa to the SEC?

Makes as much sense as South Carolina to the ACC.

Not really. South Carolina and the ACC have a shared culture and history.
Heck we even still share the state of South Carolina.
I'm not sure the ACC would take 'lil carolina back.

This playing hard to get thing only works when both sides want each other.

(01-28-2018 04:37 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 07:36 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 09:09 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 07:55 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 06:16 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The problem with NC State is that the UNC System will have to allow them to leave. They might not go for it under the best of circumstances, but I'd think the ACC would have to be getting significant value in return to consider it. I'm not sure how you'd put pressure on them barring some sort of pending collapse scenario. I don't think NC State or Virginia Tech will be available though until ESPN decides to give up on an ACC Network. They might yet abandon ship on that, but who knows.

How about this for an out of the box idea? There were rumors a few years ago that the Big Ten was offering a package deal to Virginia and Virginia Tech. What if we did the same? Forget about the NC school for the time being, just see if both VA schools would like to come together. Cut the B1G off to some degree and see if it makes it easier to pry one NC school out a little later.

Barring dysfunction in the ACC though, the easiest ones to take for us will be in the Big 12. If we really wanted 4 then I think ideally it would be these 4: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and West Virginia. Of course, it probably won't be that easy. However, I do think Kansas would be a solid addition that would be worthy of maneuvering in order to acquire if for no more reason than to help both Missouri and Oklahoma feel more at home.

UVa to the SEC?

Makes as much sense as South Carolina to the ACC.

Not really. South Carolina and the ACC have a shared culture and history.
Heck we even still share the state of South Carolina.
I'm not sure the ACC would take 'lil carolina back.

This playing hard to get thing only works when both sides want each other.

There are some schools that can hold a grudge.