(01-19-2018 05:47 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Let those players prove themselves at a junior college. Give them time to grow up and learn from their mistakes.

You just contradicted yourself...

#LastChanceU - https://www.netflix.com/title/80091742

(01-19-2018 04:23 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:03 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 01:51 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:30 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Most fans would accept that opinion from jealous fans. I say jealous because as I pointed out....if he's "our" scum it's all of a sudden worth it.

You might think your team or fans are different...you're not. You will gladly embrace the scum (you word) if it meant winning. Again, you can say other wise today but I've seen it too many times.

My ass. Rice would never hire a coach like Kiffin, or bring in players who are nonqualifiers or who assault defenseless women. There's integrity at Rice. It's one of the few places left that does things the hard way. Don't even attempt to make us part of your company. Way to admit that you have no moral compass.

Ok go 1-11 every year. I live in south Florida and the truth is kids growing up playing football at the best program come from tough areas and many have made mistakes. I don't judge them because that's part of the reality of football and I do not pretend that kids that play a violent gladiator type sport don't come from violent backgrounds sometimes.

YOUR TEAM IS NOTE FULL OF CHORIE BOYS NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU TELL YOURSELF IT IS.

I'd much rather go 1-11 from time to time and endure some losing seasons than bring in a bunch of troublemakers and win. And coming from a tough neighborhood doesn't excuse "mistakes.". Over the years Rice has had players from low socio-economic environments. The difference is that they overcame the obstacles, did their school work, and stayed out of trouble. There aregood people in bad neighborhoods. Weak argument.
This is why Rice would rather be affiliated with other like-minded institutions. Public and private schools don't see eye-to-eye. Our cultures are very different. Private schools mostly try their best to recruit players who are good students and who stay out of trouble, while public schools take anyone who can catch a ball.

Woah there, let’s not act like FAU is somehow an academically inept University. Sure, it’s no Rice but FAU is one of the better schools in this conference. When I graduated our accounting program was first in Florida and 11th in the US. Harbor Branch is a top tier marine engineering facility and the college of nursing/medicine is paving the way for Alzheimer’s research. Do you even have a degree from Rice or do you just look down on every public University?

You're absolutely right. I'm sure FAU is a fine university. I'm sure it turns out many exceptional students. It doesn't have to be like Rice. It stands on it's own merits I'm sure. What I want in CUSA are academic standards that more closely resemble those of the BIG10, not the SEC. We should be striving to be the best on the field with the best student-athletes, not a bunch of guys who strike women in nightclubs, or who can't get into college without an athletic scholarship. Yes, I have a real problem with it.

(01-19-2018 05:55 PM)thefaU Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:47 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Let those players prove themselves at a junior college. Give them time to grow up and learn from their mistakes.

You just contradicted yourself...

#LastChanceU - https://www.netflix.com/title/80091742

Please elaborate. Thanks.

(01-19-2018 06:02 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:55 PM)thefaU Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:47 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Let those players prove themselves at a junior college. Give them time to grow up and learn from their mistakes.

You just contradicted yourself...

#LastChanceU - https://www.netflix.com/title/80091742

Please elaborate. Thanks.

Johnson went to junior college after fsu before coming to fau He also did a lot of community service related to domestic violence

(01-19-2018 06:05 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:02 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:55 PM)thefaU Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:47 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Let those players prove themselves at a junior college. Give them time to grow up and learn from their mistakes.

You just contradicted yourself...

#LastChanceU - https://www.netflix.com/title/80091742

Please elaborate. Thanks.

Johnson went to junior college after fsu before coming to fau He also did a lot of community service related to domestic violence

Good for him. That's exactly what he needed. He's a better person for it. Second chances should be earned.

It’s unclear that “Ourland” even went to Rice (he has similar posting habits to a formerly banned poster on our board, so I’m LOLing a bit right now.

(01-19-2018 06:09 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:05 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:02 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:55 PM)thefaU Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:47 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Let those players prove themselves at a junior college. Give them time to grow up and learn from their mistakes.

You just contradicted yourself...

#LastChanceU - https://www.netflix.com/title/80091742

Please elaborate. Thanks.

Johnson went to junior college after fsu before coming to fau He also did a lot of community service related to domestic violence

Good for him. That's exactly what he needed. He's a better person for it. Second chances should be earned.

So you accused fau of winning at all costs while not even knowing the story on this guy?

And now you're fine with it? Maybe retract all your vitriol posts from before then

(01-19-2018 08:17 AM)Seminowl Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 07:27 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Who said you were spinning it ? You are the one accusing people of spinning things.

She didn't just pathetically punch him. She kicked him in the balls and others places. Not excusing it but you are exaggerating it even more.

Why are you on this board trolling constantly? Are you that pathetic ? Makes ucf as a fanbase look horrible with how you act

Get a life. If mods did their jobs you'd be gone already. All you do is troll while never adding anything

I was actually at FSU when this happened. Multiple witnesses said she was calling him racial slurs and she kicked him in the groin. According to our resident UCF troll she lost 60lbs, he gained 20lbs, and she almost died. I’m not saying what he did was right, I’m just trying to make sure our board doesn’t become toxic. Those are reality TV levels of exaggeration.

I’m curious did they ever charge her with anything.

(01-19-2018 06:21 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:09 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:05 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:02 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:55 PM)thefaU Wrote:  You just contradicted yourself...

#LastChanceU - https://www.netflix.com/title/80091742

Please elaborate. Thanks.

Johnson went to junior college after fsu before coming to fau He also did a lot of community service related to domestic violence

Good for him. That's exactly what he needed. He's a better person for it. Second chances should be earned.

So you accused fau of winning at all costs while not even knowing the story on this guy?

And now you're fine with it? Maybe retract all your vitriol posts from before then

Heck yes I'm fine with it! Up until now, no one presented the whole story. It sounds like this guy did his time, worked hard, and came out on top. My hope is that he's truly reformed and changed. I hope he had a chance to sincerely apologize to the victim. He earned a second chance, and I bet he takes advantage of it. I like it a lot.

So, this thread about a bright (and athletic) young man who chooses a real career over a year of football, has become another monkey-throwing-feces contest.

(01-19-2018 02:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  This is why Rice would rather be affiliated with other like-minded institutions. Public and private schools don't see eye-to-eye. Our cultures are very different. Private schools mostly try their best to recruit players who are good students and who stay out of trouble, while public schools take anyone who can catch a ball.

Well that's just not true.
UVA
Berkeley
William & Mary
UCLA
Michigan
Wisconsin
The service academies
Etc.

There are plenty of phenomenal public schools that value academics.

Who is Jason Driskel?

(01-20-2018 06:12 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  This is why Rice would rather be affiliated with other like-minded institutions. Public and private schools don't see eye-to-eye. Our cultures are very different. Private schools mostly try their best to recruit players who are good students and who stay out of trouble, while public schools take anyone who can catch a ball.

Well that's just not true.
UVA
Berkeley
William & Mary
UCLA
Michigan
Wisconsin
The service academies
Etc.

There are plenty of phenomenal public schools that value academics.

Well, yes and no. It depends a lot on on the football coach and the president of the institution. Rice is one of the smallest schools, and so each player taken is a significant percentage of the overall class. We cannot afford to have that significant percentage used on a person with marginal academic skills or marginal moral fiber. So I believe that places like UCLA and Berkeley are less strict about their requirements - for football players - than Rice.

I exempt the service academies from that, as I have the highest respect for their students. I also think that as size gets smaller, the requirements become more Ricelike, so maybe W&M also could also be exempted.

something like 12% of our student body is on athletic scholarship (all sports) - we need to maintain the overall quality of the school. Twenty bad eggs out of 2500 makes a bigger splash than twenty out of 25,000.

The way we usually put this is that when some paper publishes a top 100 list of recruits, there are only about 40 we can actually offer, while Texas or A&M, good academic schools but giants, can offer the whole list if they want.

Interestingly, your list includes one of my finalists when I chose Rice a half century back.

(01-20-2018 08:10 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  Who is Jason Driskel?

Really?

(01-20-2018 09:23 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(01-20-2018 08:10 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  Who is Jason Driskel?

Really?

The better Driskel.

(01-19-2018 07:27 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Who said you were spinning it ? You are the one accusing people of spinning things.

She didn't just pathetically punch him. She kicked him in the balls and others places. Not excusing it but you are exaggerating it even more.

Why are you on this board trolling constantly? Are you that pathetic ? Makes ucf as a fanbase look horrible with how you act

Get a life. If mods did their jobs you'd be gone already. All you do is troll while never adding anything

But you are excusing it. This is just hilarious. You say "I'm not excusing what he did!" and then go on to......excuse what he did. Her "list of grievances" gets worse every time you guys attempt to explain away having this cretin on your team. First it was "she was punching", then "she kicked him in the balls", and now there are baseless accusations that she was hurling racial comments at him. Next I'll hear that she had a barb wired bat and was beating him to death with it.

It sounds like you can't debate this without getting overly emotional or demanding I not be allowed to share my opinion on the matter. This tells me that inside, you probably know it's wrong to defend FAU having this kid on their roster.

Tell me- what if that girl was in a coma from his punch? What if she suffered long term neurological damage? Would you still feel the same?

(01-22-2018 08:44 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 07:27 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Who said you were spinning it ? You are the one accusing people of spinning things.

She didn't just pathetically punch him. She kicked him in the balls and others places. Not excusing it but you are exaggerating it even more.

Why are you on this board trolling constantly? Are you that pathetic ? Makes ucf as a fanbase look horrible with how you act

Get a life. If mods did their jobs you'd be gone already. All you do is troll while never adding anything

But you are excusing it. This is just hilarious. You say "I'm not excusing what he did!" and then go on to......excuse what he did. Her "list of grievances" gets worse every time you guys attempt to explain away having this cretin on your team. First it was "she was punching", then "she kicked him in the balls", and now there are baseless accusations that she was hurling racial comments at him. Next I'll hear that she had a barb wired bat and was beating him to death with it.

It sounds like you can't debate this without getting overly emotional or demanding I not be allowed to share my opinion on the matter. This tells me that inside, you probably know it's wrong to defend FAU having this kid on their roster.

Tell me- what if that girl was in a coma from his punch? What if she suffered long term neurological damage? Would you still feel the same?

You really know nothing about this incident, do you?

Yeah the guy is clearly a troll. Should be banned I never changed my story. I was explaining what really happened since this guy doesn't like to use facts