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Marcus Ball major article in Sports Illustrated
He wrote the point after in the latest edition, the one with the College Football championship game on the cover.

Posting this because he was a Memphis player. Very interesting...keep your politics in check if you can.

You can find it, dunno how to link with I pad. I read it in the actual magazine. I know, how silly to still read magazines and newspapers.
01-18-2018 12:25 PM
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I missed the call and didn’t think much of it. It was the last Tuesday in September of 2016. Two days before that—and after more than a year on the practice squad—I had just dressed for my first game for the Carolina Panthers. . .

The missed call came from the Panthers offices, which wasn’t unusual. I knew so many people there—teammates and coaches, but also regular folks in the offices— on a first-name basis. This call, though, wasn’t social. It wasn’t one of my position coaches either. There was no voicemail, but then I got a text from the same number. I was summoned to the office and told to bring my playbook.
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Before kickoff, they played the national anthem, as they always do. I stood. I honored the flag. I prayed. I sang. But I also acknowledged the protests and recent events that had been building around the country and recently in Charlotte. . . During the anthem, I made a gesture, holding up my right hand with my index finger pointing toward the sky to God. I didn’t realize it, but I was the only guy on the team to make any sort of gesture that day.
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(01-18-2018 12:27 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Found it: https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/07/marcus...em-gesture

Not sure what to make of it.

I do know you have the right to do as you please (as long as legal), but you have to live with the consequences. I’m not sure that pointing at the sky could be seen as disrespectful. Maybe more to the story?
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RE: Marcus Ball major article in Sports Illustrated
Story well written, but is a little thin on proving a direct connection. Who knows?:

"I then had to ask: “Am I getting released by Big Cat?” I asked, referring to our owner, Jerry Richardson.

“Oh, no, no, no,” I was told.

I had my doubts. I know Richardson didn’t want players following Colin Kaepernick’s lead and protesting. I knew he didn’t want players wearing dreadlocks, which I did. Same for sporting tattoos. But what could I do? I was a practice squad player. On my level, you don’t challenge the Boss Man."
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RE: Marcus Ball major article in Sports Illustrated
Seems like if I have seen other NFL players in the past pointing to the sky, to God as Marcus writes, during the anthem. Not sure why Marcus would think that is enough of a protest to get him released.
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(01-18-2018 01:28 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  

Good find WColt.
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(01-18-2018 01:28 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  

I just don’t see anything disrespectful about this.
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The only people that do simply have an issue with the color of Marcus Ball's skin.
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I don't see an issue with it either. But the real question is, did it influence the decision to terminate his contract and send him back to the practice squad? I'm sure the truth will never come out either way. I agree with him specifically on the point where there is accountability with players and coaches, however owners can hide behind the scenes instead of having to answer for their actions. It seems like there is a double standard for the players/coaches vs the owners.
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RE: Marcus Ball major article in Sports Illustrated
(01-18-2018 04:33 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  It seems like there is a double standard for the players/coaches vs the owners.

That's in our every day jobs. Management vs the people who actually work.
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(01-18-2018 04:33 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  I don't see an issue with it either. But the real question is, did it influence the decision to terminate his contract and send him back to the practice squad? I'm sure the truth will never come out either way. I agree with him specifically on the point where there is accountability with players and coaches, however owners can hide behind the scenes instead of having to answer for their actions. It seems like there is a double standard for the players/coaches vs the owners.

That's exactly the point. Marcus says yes, but admits the team said no. And the team later re-signed him to its practice squad - "I was re-signed to the Panthers’ practice squad". Why would the Panthers do that if Marcus had crossed the line on protests?

Wish Marcus the best, but think he is trying to connect dots that don't connect.
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(01-18-2018 03:13 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 01:28 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  

I just don’t see anything disrespectful about this.

There really was nothing disrespectful about any of the very peaceful symbolic protests. Which is the point. Door creaking open but seems in check.

Thanks for posting the link. Kudos Marcus.
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I'm okay with any form of peaceful protest. Including locked arms, raised fists, kneeling, staying in the locker room, and sitting.
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(01-18-2018 10:07 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  I'm okay with any form of peaceful protest. Including locked arms, raised fists, kneeling, staying in the locker room, and sitting.

Players are paid to entertain and please their customers, e.g., the fans. When they are on the field, they are on “company” time, not “personal” time. While many fans don’t care one way or the other regarding protesting, probably just as many do. Imagine this scenario: If I were a cashier in a grocery store and repeatedly did something that made half of the customers mad coming through my checkout line, how long do you think I would last as a cashier? Irregardless, owners want to win most of all - Ball probably was judged not good enough and they had a better replacement. Professional sports is a highly competitive, unforgiving business.
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(01-18-2018 03:13 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 01:28 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  

I just don’t see anything disrespectful about this.

I can't tell you how many players (of all races, nationalities and religion) that have pointed to the sky during the national anthem. It probably happens every night on an MLB baseball field. I understand the players' purpose and symbolism behind kneeling or raising a fist, but I just don't understand why this is controversial.

The media is really to blame for a lot of this. They sensationalized Colin Kaepernick's actions to the point to where it hurt a lot of people. They figured it was a "storyline" that would catch attention. When the players saw that the media was catching on, more players joined in. In the end, it led to the president getting involved, ratings to decrease, and players losing their jobs. In the case of Marcus Ball, this guy was obviously trying to get attention/retweets/mentions.
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If I’m a borderline keeper and still drawing a league minimum, mid to high six figures, the ONLY way I’m gonna try to draw attention to myself is with aggressive special teams play or whatever else the coaching staff and front office ask me to do.

Playing in the NFL is still a privilege, not an inalienable right.
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(01-19-2018 06:24 AM)presskh Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 10:07 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  I'm okay with any form of peaceful protest. Including locked arms, raised fists, kneeling, staying in the locker room, and sitting.

Players are paid to entertain and please their customers, e.g., the fans. When they are on the field, they are on “company” time, not “personal” time. While many fans don’t care one way or the other regarding protesting, probably just as many do. Imagine this scenario: If I were a cashier in a grocery store and repeatedly did something that made half of the customers mad coming through my checkout line, how long do you think I would last as a cashier? Irregardless, owners want to win most of all - Ball probably was judged not good enough and they had a better replacement. Professional sports is a highly competitive, unforgiving business.

If he was cut because of this, it's because his talent on the field did not offset the perceived "problem" he might be. If he were All Pro, 1st string, etc., Carolina wouldn't care what he did.

Case in point, Michael Bennett fabricated a "police brutality" incident of which there was countless video proof to the contrary and is still playing. Zeke Eliot has assault charges and the Cowboys fight tooth and nail to reduce his suspension AND Jerry Jones calls for Goodell's head on a platter. If you can play, things get overlooked. Pro sports are "players" leagues. If you can play, things get overlooked and you're on the field. If you can't, better keep your head down and not draw attention.
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(01-19-2018 06:57 AM)TG4 Wrote:  If I’m a borderline keeper and still drawing a league minimum, mid to high six figures, the ONLY way I’m gonna try to draw attention to myself is with aggressive special teams play or whatever else the coaching staff and front office ask me to do.

Playing in the NFL is still a privilege, not an inalienable right.

Yep.
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