(01-19-2018 07:41 AM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:24 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 10:07 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  I'm okay with any form of peaceful protest. Including locked arms, raised fists, kneeling, staying in the locker room, and sitting.

Players are paid to entertain and please their customers, e.g., the fans. When they are on the field, they are on “company” time, not “personal” time. While many fans don’t care one way or the other regarding protesting, probably just as many do. Imagine this scenario: If I were a cashier in a grocery store and repeatedly did something that made half of the customers mad coming through my checkout line, how long do you think I would last as a cashier? Irregardless, owners want to win most of all - Ball probably was judged not good enough and they had a better replacement. Professional sports is a highly competitive, unforgiving business.

If he was cut because of this, it's because his talent on the field did not offset the perceived "problem" he might be. If he were All Pro, 1st string, etc., Carolina wouldn't care what he did.

Case in point, Michael Bennett fabricated a "police brutality" incident of which there was countless video proof to the contrary and is still playing. Zeke Eliot has assault charges and the Cowboys fight tooth and nail to reduce his suspension AND Jerry Jones calls for Goodell's head on a platter. If you can play, things get overlooked. Pro sports are "players" leagues. If you can play, things get overlooked and you're on the field. If you can't, better keep your head down and not draw attention.

It's not personal (probably). In the immortal words of Bob Sugar, "This ain't Show Friends, it's Show Business".

(01-18-2018 04:41 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 04:33 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  It seems like there is a double standard for the players/coaches vs the owners.

That's in our every day jobs. Management vs the people who actually work.

Define "Work".

Oy.

Wrong on so many levels. It was a pipe dream to keep this elevated.

Thanks.

SMH.

I apologize for posting. This is getting too political.

(01-19-2018 06:24 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 10:07 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  I'm okay with any form of peaceful protest. Including locked arms, raised fists, kneeling, staying in the locker room, and sitting.

Players are paid to entertain and please their customers, e.g., the fans. When they are on the field, they are on “company” time, not “personal” time. While many fans don’t care one way or the other regarding protesting, probably just as many do. Imagine this scenario: If I were a cashier in a grocery store and repeatedly did something that made half of the customers mad coming through my checkout line, how long do you think I would last as a cashier? Irregardless, owners want to win most of all - Ball probably was judged not good enough and they had a better replacement. Professional sports is a highly competitive, unforgiving business.

Let me give you this analogy...

You are dating a woman who is a 10 who makes 6 figures and she does something that annoys you does she get more leeway than a woman who is a 5 and has no job.

Owners are going to make a point with players who don't affect their bottom line.

(01-19-2018 10:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:24 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 10:07 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  I'm okay with any form of peaceful protest. Including locked arms, raised fists, kneeling, staying in the locker room, and sitting.

Players are paid to entertain and please their customers, e.g., the fans. When they are on the field, they are on “company” time, not “personal” time. While many fans don’t care one way or the other regarding protesting, probably just as many do. Imagine this scenario: If I were a cashier in a grocery store and repeatedly did something that made half of the customers mad coming through my checkout line, how long do you think I would last as a cashier? Irregardless, owners want to win most of all - Ball probably was judged not good enough and they had a better replacement. Professional sports is a highly competitive, unforgiving business.

Let me give you this analogy...

You are dating a woman who is a 10 who makes 6 figures and she does something that annoys you does she get more leeway than a woman who is a 5 and has no job.

Owners are going to make a point with players who don't affect their bottom line.

I agree. You have to know your value to the organization. If you’re currently being benched for Blaine Gabbert (a bum), you don’t have the leeway that Tom Brady has. Once you take away more than you give, expect a pink slip...

I will say the gesture that Ball made doesn’t seem disrespectful at all, but if you just barely made the team, probably better to not stand out at all.

(01-19-2018 12:17 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:24 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 10:07 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  I'm okay with any form of peaceful protest. Including locked arms, raised fists, kneeling, staying in the locker room, and sitting.

Players are paid to entertain and please their customers, e.g., the fans. When they are on the field, they are on “company” time, not “personal” time. While many fans don’t care one way or the other regarding protesting, probably just as many do. Imagine this scenario: If I were a cashier in a grocery store and repeatedly did something that made half of the customers mad coming through my checkout line, how long do you think I would last as a cashier? Irregardless, owners want to win most of all - Ball probably was judged not good enough and they had a better replacement. Professional sports is a highly competitive, unforgiving business.

Let me give you this analogy...

You are dating a woman who is a 10 who makes 6 figures and she does something that annoys you does she get more leeway than a woman who is a 5 and has no job.

Owners are going to make a point with players who don't affect their bottom line.

I agree. You have to know your value to the organization. If you’re currently being benched for Blaine Gabbert (a bum), you don’t have the leeway that Tom Brady has. Once you take away more than you give, expect a pink slip...

I will say the gesture that Ball made doesn’t seem disrespectful at all, but if you just barely made the team, probably better to not stand out at all.

Then again... you could say Marcus made the most of his opportunity to show his symbolism of unity. Even if he did get cut for it, he contributed to the discussion of positive change in the country in regards to unity. Some things are bigger than football and it might've totally been worth it to him.

(01-19-2018 12:24 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:17 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:24 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 10:07 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  I'm okay with any form of peaceful protest. Including locked arms, raised fists, kneeling, staying in the locker room, and sitting.

Players are paid to entertain and please their customers, e.g., the fans. When they are on the field, they are on “company” time, not “personal” time. While many fans don’t care one way or the other regarding protesting, probably just as many do. Imagine this scenario: If I were a cashier in a grocery store and repeatedly did something that made half of the customers mad coming through my checkout line, how long do you think I would last as a cashier? Irregardless, owners want to win most of all - Ball probably was judged not good enough and they had a better replacement. Professional sports is a highly competitive, unforgiving business.

Let me give you this analogy...

You are dating a woman who is a 10 who makes 6 figures and she does something that annoys you does she get more leeway than a woman who is a 5 and has no job.

Owners are going to make a point with players who don't affect their bottom line.

I agree. You have to know your value to the organization. If you’re currently being benched for Blaine Gabbert (a bum), you don’t have the leeway that Tom Brady has. Once you take away more than you give, expect a pink slip...

I will say the gesture that Ball made doesn’t seem disrespectful at all, but if you just barely made the team, probably better to not stand out at all.

Then again... you could say Marcus made the most of his opportunity to show his symbolism of unity. Even if he did get cut for it, he contributed to the discussion of positive change in the country in regards to unity. Some things are bigger than football and it might've totally been worth it to him.

Absolutely.

(01-19-2018 12:34 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:24 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:17 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:24 AM)presskh Wrote:  Players are paid to entertain and please their customers, e.g., the fans. When they are on the field, they are on “company” time, not “personal” time. While many fans don’t care one way or the other regarding protesting, probably just as many do. Imagine this scenario: If I were a cashier in a grocery store and repeatedly did something that made half of the customers mad coming through my checkout line, how long do you think I would last as a cashier? Irregardless, owners want to win most of all - Ball probably was judged not good enough and they had a better replacement. Professional sports is a highly competitive, unforgiving business.

Let me give you this analogy...

You are dating a woman who is a 10 who makes 6 figures and she does something that annoys you does she get more leeway than a woman who is a 5 and has no job.

Owners are going to make a point with players who don't affect their bottom line.

I agree. You have to know your value to the organization. If you’re currently being benched for Blaine Gabbert (a bum), you don’t have the leeway that Tom Brady has. Once you take away more than you give, expect a pink slip...

I will say the gesture that Ball made doesn’t seem disrespectful at all, but if you just barely made the team, probably better to not stand out at all.

Then again... you could say Marcus made the most of his opportunity to show his symbolism of unity. Even if he did get cut for it, he contributed to the discussion of positive change in the country in regards to unity. Some things are bigger than football and it might've totally been worth it to him.

Absolutely.

Lose a job where you could potentially make millions of $'s (playing a game) and setup generations of your family to be financially stable, in order to support a media driven false narrative? Yeah, seems like a wise choice.

Vacuous.

(01-19-2018 12:40 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:34 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:24 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:17 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Let me give you this analogy...

You are dating a woman who is a 10 who makes 6 figures and she does something that annoys you does she get more leeway than a woman who is a 5 and has no job.

Owners are going to make a point with players who don't affect their bottom line.

I agree. You have to know your value to the organization. If you’re currently being benched for Blaine Gabbert (a bum), you don’t have the leeway that Tom Brady has. Once you take away more than you give, expect a pink slip...

I will say the gesture that Ball made doesn’t seem disrespectful at all, but if you just barely made the team, probably better to not stand out at all.

Then again... you could say Marcus made the most of his opportunity to show his symbolism of unity. Even if he did get cut for it, he contributed to the discussion of positive change in the country in regards to unity. Some things are bigger than football and it might've totally been worth it to him.

Absolutely.

Lose a job where you could potentially make millions of $'s (playing a game) and setup generations of your family to be financially stable, in order to support a media driven false narrative? Yeah, seems like a wise choice.

If he really was cut for non-protest reasons, then I'd say he did make the most of his opportunity. He was able to participate in an NFL game on the active roster and was able to show his sign of unity that was important to him.

(01-19-2018 12:40 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:34 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:24 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:17 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Let me give you this analogy...

You are dating a woman who is a 10 who makes 6 figures and she does something that annoys you does she get more leeway than a woman who is a 5 and has no job.

Owners are going to make a point with players who don't affect their bottom line.

I agree. You have to know your value to the organization. If you’re currently being benched for Blaine Gabbert (a bum), you don’t have the leeway that Tom Brady has. Once you take away more than you give, expect a pink slip...

I will say the gesture that Ball made doesn’t seem disrespectful at all, but if you just barely made the team, probably better to not stand out at all.

Then again... you could say Marcus made the most of his opportunity to show his symbolism of unity. Even if he did get cut for it, he contributed to the discussion of positive change in the country in regards to unity. Some things are bigger than football and it might've totally been worth it to him.

Absolutely.

Lose a job where you could potentially make millions of $'s (playing a game) and setup generations of your family to be financially stable, in order to support a media driven false narrative? Yeah, seems like a wise choice.

Not saying it’s a wise choice or one he knew he was making at the time. If someone is willing to give up millions for doing something they think is important, I say good for them. Just not smart financially.

(01-19-2018 12:17 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:24 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 10:07 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  I'm okay with any form of peaceful protest. Including locked arms, raised fists, kneeling, staying in the locker room, and sitting.

Players are paid to entertain and please their customers, e.g., the fans. When they are on the field, they are on “company” time, not “personal” time. While many fans don’t care one way or the other regarding protesting, probably just as many do. Imagine this scenario: If I were a cashier in a grocery store and repeatedly did something that made half of the customers mad coming through my checkout line, how long do you think I would last as a cashier? Irregardless, owners want to win most of all - Ball probably was judged not good enough and they had a better replacement. Professional sports is a highly competitive, unforgiving business.

Let me give you this analogy...

You are dating a woman who is a 10 who makes 6 figures and she does something that annoys you does she get more leeway than a woman who is a 5 and has no job.

Owners are going to make a point with players who don't affect their bottom line.

I agree. You have to know your value to the organization. If you’re currently being benched for Blaine Gabbert (a bum), you don’t have the leeway that Tom Brady has. Once you take away more than you give, expect a pink slip...

I will say the gesture that Ball made doesn’t seem disrespectful at all, but if you just barely made the team, probably better to not stand out at all.

All true. If you're a big contributor and in demand, some things will be overlooked more than if you aren't. Just a fact of life at all levels.

(01-18-2018 03:23 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  The only people that do simply have an issue with the color of Marcus Ball's skin.

That is simply not true. Some might have the same problem with a white player who did the same thing. It's about following protocol. Can you follow directions? No? We don't need you here. There's another player just as talented waiting in the wings to replace you that WILL follow protocol.

I will point out, my post here has nothing to do with Marcus Ball per se, because we don't know WHAT he got fired for.

(01-19-2018 10:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:24 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 10:07 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  I'm okay with any form of peaceful protest. Including locked arms, raised fists, kneeling, staying in the locker room, and sitting.

Players are paid to entertain and please their customers, e.g., the fans. When they are on the field, they are on “company” time, not “personal” time. While many fans don’t care one way or the other regarding protesting, probably just as many do. Imagine this scenario: If I were a cashier in a grocery store and repeatedly did something that made half of the customers mad coming through my checkout line, how long do you think I would last as a cashier? Irregardless, owners want to win most of all - Ball probably was judged not good enough and they had a better replacement. Professional sports is a highly competitive, unforgiving business.

Let me give you this analogy...

You are dating a woman who is a 10 who makes 6 figures and she does something that annoys you does she get more leeway than a woman who is a 5 and has no job.

Owners are going to make a point with players who don't affect their bottom line.

I think both of you are correct.

(01-19-2018 12:24 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:17 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:24 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 10:07 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  I'm okay with any form of peaceful protest. Including locked arms, raised fists, kneeling, staying in the locker room, and sitting.

Players are paid to entertain and please their customers, e.g., the fans. When they are on the field, they are on “company” time, not “personal” time. While many fans don’t care one way or the other regarding protesting, probably just as many do. Imagine this scenario: If I were a cashier in a grocery store and repeatedly did something that made half of the customers mad coming through my checkout line, how long do you think I would last as a cashier? Irregardless, owners want to win most of all - Ball probably was judged not good enough and they had a better replacement. Professional sports is a highly competitive, unforgiving business.

Let me give you this analogy...

You are dating a woman who is a 10 who makes 6 figures and she does something that annoys you does she get more leeway than a woman who is a 5 and has no job.

Owners are going to make a point with players who don't affect their bottom line.

I agree. You have to know your value to the organization. If you’re currently being benched for Blaine Gabbert (a bum), you don’t have the leeway that Tom Brady has. Once you take away more than you give, expect a pink slip...

I will say the gesture that Ball made doesn’t seem disrespectful at all, but if you just barely made the team, probably better to not stand out at all.

Then again... you could say Marcus made the most of his opportunity to show his symbolism of unity. Even if he did get cut for it, he contributed to the discussion of positive change in the country in regards to unity. Some things are bigger than football and it might've totally been worth it to him.

Excellent point. I wish we would all keep this sentiment in the back of our minds every day.

(01-19-2018 12:40 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:34 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:24 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 12:17 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 10:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Let me give you this analogy...

You are dating a woman who is a 10 who makes 6 figures and she does something that annoys you does she get more leeway than a woman who is a 5 and has no job.

Owners are going to make a point with players who don't affect their bottom line.

I agree. You have to know your value to the organization. If you’re currently being benched for Blaine Gabbert (a bum), you don’t have the leeway that Tom Brady has. Once you take away more than you give, expect a pink slip...

I will say the gesture that Ball made doesn’t seem disrespectful at all, but if you just barely made the team, probably better to not stand out at all.

Then again... you could say Marcus made the most of his opportunity to show his symbolism of unity. Even if he did get cut for it, he contributed to the discussion of positive change in the country in regards to unity. Some things are bigger than football and it might've totally been worth it to him.

Absolutely.

Lose a job where you could potentially make millions of $'s (playing a game) and setup generations of your family to be financially stable, in order to support a media driven false narrative? Yeah, seems like a wise choice.

Whether of not it is a media-driven false narrative is not Colt's point. The point is, he put money aside in favor of what HE believed. That's really living free.

(01-18-2018 04:41 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 04:33 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  It seems like there is a double standard for the players/coaches vs the owners.

That's in our every day jobs. Management vs the people who actually work.

2 points to be made here:

First, of course there is a double standard for ownership. It's reality. The people who own businesses who pay salaries get to make the rules. If you don't like it, you leave their business - one way or another.

Second, there is a huge difference between "management" and ownership in most businesses. In this case, the coaches are "management" - not ownership.