(01-19-2018 09:18 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 08:57 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 07:50 AM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:30 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:16 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  I don't think they are going to fire Tubby, i've gotten used to mediocre Memphis basketball, don't like it but between the past 4 years, I've gotten used to it.
I really don't see what's to argue.
Are we going to be a tournament team this year? Nope.
With the recruiting class we have for next year plus the group we have now, will we be projected as a tournament team next year? Nope. NIT prob.
Will close to half the roster be lost after next year? Yes.
What is incorrect about the above?
Send me your blinders please or at least send me your apathetic mediocre mindset.

Blinders?

No, this team will almost positively NOT make the NCAA. I resigned myself to that a long time ago. I was really hoping that a couple of the new guys could be pretty good D1 players. I’m optimistic that we’ve got a good core next year. We’re a few pieces from being a tournament team. Baby steps. I don’t think anyone was optimistic about our season and players earlier.

Tubby built this team in April. He assumed his team was coming back, possibly he should have known, but he didn’t. I think the Lawson’s were keeping it kind of quiet and took great pleasure leaving us high and dry (and a middle finger to boot). Then it completely fell apart. At least he knows that he’ll lose a lot of players after next year. Something he didn’t know this year.

I’m not on the least concerned about 2 years from now. That’s a long time in college basketball.

And yet the only signee is a 7'4 project that can't rebound. You'd think that knowing your roster is gone in 2 years, you'd be stocking up non JUCO recruits to implement your "process." That's the problem intelligent fans have with Tubby. I would have hope if this team were predominantly freshmen that by year 3 of the "process" would be baked into Tubby's system. However, the majority of this team doesn't have 3 years left, only 1 after this season. Then it's the same stop gap approach in April 2019. What in Tubby's last 10 recruiting classes gives you hope that he will land talent that has an immediate impact? What decent grad transfer would sign on to play for a team that has no possibility of postseason play? If this is the "process", it's a pretty crappy one that is unsustainable.

What year are Nickleberry, Johnson and Enoh?

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So we're building around 3 freshmen that are averaging around 10 points per game combined? Two of which that are playing around 12 minutes or less per game?

Yes, because of the upperclassmen ahead of them right now.

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(01-19-2018 10:28 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 09:58 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:44 PM)TOGC Wrote:  At the beginning of the season, very few people gave this team a chance. They bashed Tubby and said he was washed up. They bashed the players and said they had no talent. They said the team would have a losing record and would finish ninth in the conference.

But Tubby showed them that he's still one of the best coaches of all time. The players showed them more heart than this team has had in a very long time. And now the team is seven games over .500 and tied for third in the conference just one game back from second.

The naysayers will claim that the team will fold over the rest of the season. Tubby and these players will prove them wrong again.

Tubby has won an average of 37% of the final ten games of the past ten regular seasons.

Yeah, he should have coached in C-USA. Probably could hit 90%...

It impossible to know how he would have fared in C-USA in the past ten years since he did not coach in C-USA in the past ten years. See posts 62 and 65 for what is known.

Yes. We only know that when playing the top of CUSA Tubby beat them soundly.

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(01-20-2018 06:43 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 09:17 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 08:57 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 07:50 AM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 02:30 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Blinders?

No, this team will almost positively NOT make the NCAA. I resigned myself to that a long time ago. I was really hoping that a couple of the new guys could be pretty good D1 players. I’m optimistic that we’ve got a good core next year. We’re a few pieces from being a tournament team. Baby steps. I don’t think anyone was optimistic about our season and players earlier.

Tubby built this team in April. He assumed his team was coming back, possibly he should have known, but he didn’t. I think the Lawson’s were keeping it kind of quiet and took great pleasure leaving us high and dry (and a middle finger to boot). Then it completely fell apart. At least he knows that he’ll lose a lot of players after next year. Something he didn’t know this year.

I’m not on the least concerned about 2 years from now. That’s a long time in college basketball.

And yet the only signee is a 7'4 project that can't rebound. You'd think that knowing your roster is gone in 2 years, you'd be stocking up non JUCO recruits to implement your "process." That's the problem intelligent fans have with Tubby. I would have hope if this team were predominantly freshmen that by year 3 of the "process" would be baked into Tubby's system. However, the majority of this team doesn't have 3 years left, only 1 after this season. Then it's the same stop gap approach in April 2019. What in Tubby's last 10 recruiting classes gives you hope that he will land talent that has an immediate impact? What decent grad transfer would sign on to play for a team that has no possibility of postseason play? If this is the "process", it's a pretty crappy one that is unsustainable.

What year are Nickleberry, Johnson and Enoh?

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Freshmen

So didn't we recruit them with the idea that they would become starters someday?

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Maybe WE did, but there are schools that recruit players for the sole purpose of being role players.

(01-20-2018 12:25 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:49 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 06:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 05:44 PM)TOGC Wrote:  At the beginning of the season, very few people gave this team a chance. They bashed Tubby and said he was washed up. They bashed the players and said they had no talent. They said the team would have a losing record and would finish ninth in the conference.

But Tubby showed them that he's still one of the best coaches of all time. The players showed them more heart than this team has had in a very long time. And now the team is seven games over .500 and tied for third in the conference just one game back from second.

The naysayers will claim that the team will fold over the rest of the season. Tubby and these players will prove them wrong again.

Tubby has won an average of 37% of the final ten games of the past ten regular seasons.

How do you think we would have done if we played in the Big 10 or 12?

It’s easy to beat the shithole teams in C-USA, it’s another to play real teams. How’d Pastner do when he had to play somebody (top 25 teams)?

His 9-9 Big 10 team beat our 16-0 C-USA team if that gives you any perspective.

Fortunately, we brought some of the shithole teams with us and play ECU twice and USF twice...

To put things into perspective and to correct you (as usual)...

Tubby's team finished 8-10, not 9-9 that season. They were 15-1 that year and ranked #8 in the country to start the season. Tubby cruised home 5-11 the rest of the way, including losses to #168, 136, 103, and 81 AND losing his last 3 games in the Big Ten which probably cost him 3 lines when the teams were seeded.

Also, Tubby lost to a lot more bad teams than Pastner ever did. If he would have coached those teams in CUSA he would have had too many bad losses and not enough opportunities against quality opponents to make a difference. Pastner was 20-0 against teams inferior to 100 in the RPI. Tubby was 7-3.

Well since Pastner's team played 20 crappy teams that season maybe his team got a lot more rest and had less injuries than Tubby's team that only got to face 10 crappy teams. Also a good chance that Tubby played more teams closer to that magic 100 mark.

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(01-19-2018 12:35 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-19-2018 11:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  I’m cautiously optimistic. Remember, there was a time last year we all jumped on board. Then the team crapped the bed down the final stretch of the season.

As Geoff stated, attendance is still a problem. It started with Josh and has continued with Tubby. We averaged 16,000+ and ranked 9th in national attendance over a 7 year period. Then from 2015-last year we went from 13,925 to to 12,028 to 9,622 ... I would expect that to continue to drop this season.

Need to play better teams in addition to putting a better one of our own on the court.

Georgetown
Gonzaga
Texas
Xavier
Arizona
Syracuse
Cincinnati
Louisville
Villanova (Pyramid)
Illinois (Pyramid)
Mizzou (Pyramid)

All of them were in here for non-conf games during the Cal and Josh years. None of them were SEC teams at the time.

Agreed but it’s hard to get those home and homes when we suck.