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(01-16-2018 09:29 AM)mikecat Wrote:  35 minutes a game for Broome may be a little high,but i think for a big run in the tournament his minutes need to get in the 26-30,basically saying he has figured out how not to turn the ball over so he has earned more minutes.

I'm fine with 26-30 minutes if that is how they are getting Evans and Cumberland some rest. I don't want those minutes to come at the expense of Jenifer. Frankly, for UC to be at its best in the tournament, Clark and Evans need to be on the floor 35+... Other than that you want Washington, Cumberland, Jenifer and Broome on as much as they can comfortably and effectively play. The dropoff from those 6 to the next guys right now is pretty big (though Moore and Williams can give you good stretches and you can get by with Scott/Brooks if Gary Clark is on the floor).
 
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(01-16-2018 09:29 AM)mikecat Wrote:  35 minutes a game for Broome may be a little high,but i think for a big run in the tournament his minutes need to get in the 26-30,basically saying he has figured out how not to turn the ball over so he has earned more minutes.

Sure...but no way he gets 26-30 a game at PG. We are going to see more and more of the combo of Evans at the point and Broome off the ball.
 
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(01-16-2018 09:31 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I agree with Rath. They've handled this PG situation perfectly. Jennifer has been so underrated by so many Bearcat fans this season. He's 3rd on the team in kenpom O rating behind Gary and Evans (and really nearly identical to Evans). He doesn't turn the ball over (of the major contributors only Gary Clark has a lower turnover rate) and he has the second highest assist rate on the team (behind Broome). He also has solid jump shooting numbers. He's basically doing everything he's being asked to do on offense at a high level.




Jenifer shot well in november, but not since. since the start of december (x game) 6-21 from 3 28.5% and 7-19 from 2 36.8 %. thats 32.5% overall.


Also that assist rate of 21.8 is the lowest of any starting pg since cronin arrived here.
 
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(01-16-2018 10:06 AM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 09:31 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I agree with Rath. They've handled this PG situation perfectly. Jennifer has been so underrated by so many Bearcat fans this season. He's 3rd on the team in kenpom O rating behind Gary and Evans (and really nearly identical to Evans). He doesn't turn the ball over (of the major contributors only Gary Clark has a lower turnover rate) and he has the second highest assist rate on the team (behind Broome). He also has solid jump shooting numbers. He's basically doing everything he's being asked to do on offense at a high level.




Jenifer shot well in november, but not since. since the start of december (x game) 6-21 from 3 28.5% and 7-19 from 2 36.8 %. thats 32.5% overall.


Also that assist rate of 21.8 is the lowest of any starting pg since cronin arrived here.

Part of that is the nature of how Jenifer is used within the offense. Evans has played a much bigger role as an initiator than in years' past. Cronin isn't having his PG set up everything. In fact, Cronin plays through a lot of his key guys when Jenifer is in the game (whether it be Clark, Evans or Cumberland). Jenifer still has the second highest assist rate on the team (to Broome) and an incredibly low turnover rate considering his ball handling responsibilities.
 
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Cronin says Cincinnati Bearcats' Evans is NBA-bound: 'It's just a matter of when'

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ORLANDO - The question concerned University of Cincinnati junior guard Jacob Evans III and his National Basketball Association potential, and UC coach Mick Cronin was ready with a ringing endorsement.

"Oh, he's going to play in the NBA," Cronin said. "It's just a matter of when."

With No. 12-ranked UC (15-2, 4-0 American Athletic Conference) set to play Central Florida (12-5, 3-2 AAC) here Tuesday night, there was a good chance that NBA city Orlando would have some pro scouts watching.

The 6-foot-6, 210-pound Evans, UC's top scorer at 13.9 points per game, recently was projected by the Sporting News as a 2018 NBA first-round draftee to the Boston Celtics (No. 27 overall).

Several other forecasts have Evans going in the second round. The Sports Daily and Tankathon.com both see Evans going at No. 31 overall (first pick in the second round) to the Atlanta Hawks. Bleacher Report and NBADraft.net both forecast Evans going No. 53 overall, to the Detroit Pistons.

The big question is whether Evans will declare for the 2018 draft. Evans has not spoken publicly about that, but as a borderline first- or second-rounder, he might be better served by returning for his UC senior year. That certainly is the hope of Cronin and Bearcats fans, but for now, Evans simply is enjoying college ball. This past Saturday, Evans became the 52nd member of UC's 1,000-point club.

"I just focus on getting better each day," Evans said. "You can never look too far ahead."

Evans is considered an NBA prospect for many reasons. With his size, he could play shooting guard or point guard. Recently he has played more at the point.

"He's a winner," Cronin said. "He shoots a high percentage. He's an elite defender. He blocks shots. He guards point-guards. He rebounds. He just does so many things, and he's a coach on the floor. He's such a smart player."

Cronin still wants Evans to be more assertive offensively. While Evans does lead the Bearcats with 10.1 field goal attempts per game, Cronin wants more. But, with five UC players averaging near or above 10 points per game (Evans, Gary Clark, Jarron Cumberland, Kyle Washington and Cane Broome), Evans is among many with a pass-first mentality.

Cronin credit's Evans' mother, former Grambling point guard Theresa Chatman-Evans, for helping push her son to greater things.

"When I recruited him, his Mom and I sat in my backyard and had a little one-on-one," Cronin said. "She's the best. She played, and she knows the game. She said, 'Coach, he needs you. He needs to play harder. He needs more fire. He needs more intensity. He's got all the talent.' "

"As he got comfortable and he got more aggressive, with his size and his ball skill, he was able to be more of a killer and be more intense for longer periods of time," Cronin said. "For us to get where we're trying to go, I need him to take a few more chances, to be honest. The more he attempts to come out of his shell, the better we're going to be in the long run."

DEFERRING TO TEAMMATES: UC senior forwards Clark and Washington do not appear in most online NBA mock drafts, but they also should get looks from the Association. In Evans' case, his humble persona sometimes makes it hard to direct such older teammates.

"Jacob's not about points," Cronin said. "I have to make him about points. Jacob's about winning. I'm still developing his scoring. I still want him to score more at the rim and not just rely on the jump shot."

Evans has warmed to his role as the go-to player. Never was that more evident than when his 19-foot jumper beat Temple 55-53 on Jan. 4, with 0.4 seconds remaining. UC cleared things out to let Evans go one-on-one, and he delivered. On the road. With nearly a dozen NBA scouts watching at courtside.

"Off the court, I'm kind of laid-back, but it's become easier on the court to take that alpha-male role, alpha-dog role," Evans said. "Especially when (Cronin) is constantly on me, every practice. I feel like I'm doing better with it. My teammates are learning to cope with it during the games and at practice. It's been a fun, smooth transition for us."
 
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If Evans comes back for his senior year, I have visions of him putting the team on his back and carrying us to a national championship, like Kemba Walker did for UCONN in 2011.
 
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(01-16-2018 03:03 PM)cpawstoney Wrote:  If Evans comes back for his senior year, I have visions of him putting the team on his back and carrying us to a national championship, like Kemba Walker did for UCONN in 2011.
Hopefully for our second consecutive title...
 
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(01-16-2018 09:31 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 08:54 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  I don't like Evans at point. I want to see Cane Broome there 35 minutes a game. I understand Broome's limitations right now (mostly defensive) but I'd prefer to deal with his growing pains right now in hopes that he continues to develop with more minutes as the season progresses.

Right now UC is a top 20 team that can most certainly get beat by any decent team on any given night. This team is still one player short of becoming elite and there's no one new walking thru the door in the next two months. Cane Broome's ability to break down defenses and get to the basket can be that difference maker.

Three different predictive metrics have UC as a top 10 team (Sagarin 10, kenpom 8, BPI 7). They are sitting just outside the top ten in the human polls (I read less into these because of how volatile they are, but just thought I'd put it out there). I'd say calling them a top 20 team, while accurate, doesn't fully do justice to how good they are right now.

I agree with Rath. They've handled this PG situation perfectly. Jennifer has been so underrated by so many Bearcat fans this season. He's 3rd on the team in kenpom O rating behind Gary and Evans (and really nearly identical to Evans). He doesn't turn the ball over (of the major contributors only Gary Clark has a lower turnover rate) and he has the second highest assist rate on the team (behind Broome). He also has solid jump shooting numbers. He's basically doing everything he's being asked to do on offense at a high level. His on the ball defense has been great. He just doesn't let himself get screened which prevents mismatches on that end and makes it incredibly hard for other teams to get into their offense. When you have a PG whose on the ball defense is that good, it makes it really hard for teams to run good offense against you.

However, the staff also has Broome and likes his strengths. They are able to use his instant offense and the mismatches he creates, particularly when UC needs an offensive spark. He's a nice guy to have on the floor when UC sits one or two of their other starters, because lets face it, UC's other bench guys aren't there yet offensively and when the starters sit they need guys that can score. If Broome has the hot hand, the staff is not afraid to ride him at the expense of minutes for Jennifer, but Jennifer is generally the more complete player at this point. The staff has also found ways to play them both at the same time, which has been effective at times as well.

Lastly, the staff has used it's star player more on the ball this year, which forces him to be more assertive. Evans has always been incredibly efficient and a really good player, but he disappears sometimes. By using him on the ball in key possessions and for stretches of the game, the staff has kept him engaged and in the flow of everything. Evans isn't disappearing in games lately and it's really helped. I think as the season has gone on the staff has really gotten a feel for its lineups and substitution patterns (something I've been critical of in the past on many occasions). Specifically though, I think the way they have handled to PG position this year has been perfect.

You make it sound like the staff knows what they're doing, when did this happen?

It is an interesting look at the numbers. JJ seems solid, but it's funny how folks stick to previous impressions for a long time when you're not the most flashy player.
 
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TBH, I haven't been impressed at all when Evans has been running the point. He needs to be on the wing. Our best hope long-term is for Broome to continue improving and be the starting PG. Jennifer has absolutely zero offensive game. We will go nowhere fast with him running the show.
 
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(01-19-2018 07:45 AM)Marcus Wrote:  TBH, I haven't been impressed at all when Evans has been running the point. He needs to be on the wing. Our best hope long-term is for Broome to continue improving and be the starting PG. Jennifer has absolutely zero offensive game. We will go nowhere fast with him running the show.

Finally, someone with some common sense on this board. 04-cheers
 
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(01-19-2018 08:01 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 07:45 AM)Marcus Wrote:  TBH, I haven't been impressed at all when Evans has been running the point. He needs to be on the wing. Our best hope long-term is for Broome to continue improving and be the starting PG. Jennifer has absolutely zero offensive game. We will go nowhere fast with him running the show.

Finally, someone with some common sense on this board. 04-cheers

I agree, there is a reason that Evans is being used at PG and that reason is that JJ is just not that effective.

I also agree that Broome is the key. I'm not saying he has figured it out, but I do think that UC desperately needs him to figure it out if they want to make a deep run.
 
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(01-19-2018 08:30 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 08:01 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 07:45 AM)Marcus Wrote:  TBH, I haven't been impressed at all when Evans has been running the point. He needs to be on the wing. Our best hope long-term is for Broome to continue improving and be the starting PG. Jennifer has absolutely zero offensive game. We will go nowhere fast with him running the show.

Finally, someone with some common sense on this board. 04-cheers

I agree, there is a reason that Evans is being used at PG and that reason is that JJ is just not that effective.

I also agree that Broome is the key. I'm not saying he has figured it out, but I do think that UC desperately needs him to figure it out if they want to make a deep run.

He had a couple of very nice drives to the hoop that just fell off the rim against UCF. His speed out there is clear and honestly I think his passing/vision is just as good as Jenifer's. Hopefully Broome continues to improve while seeing a slight uptick in his scoring.
 
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Just a thought: maybe Mick is putting Evans at PG to put a bit of pressure on him to play more aggressively/assertively.
 
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(01-19-2018 09:07 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  Just a thought: maybe Mick is putting Evans at PG to put a bit of pressure on him to play more aggressively/assertively.

It's not just a thought, this is exactly right. When Evans is playing point it's because Mick wants his best player to initiate and create problems for the other team. He's always been efficient but disappears too often. I think they've used Evans really well and effectively as an initiator when they want to get him involved.

I sometimes wonder what games people are watching if they can't appreciate what Jenifer has been doing on both ends for UC this year. He's not a take over PG, but he protects the ball, gets others involved and shoots at a solid clip. When you have a starting lineup with that many weapons they don't need Jenifer to be overly assertive. that combined with his defense both on and away from the ball have been huge in UC's overall success.
 
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(01-19-2018 09:13 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 09:07 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  Just a thought: maybe Mick is putting Evans at PG to put a bit of pressure on him to play more aggressively/assertively.

It's not just a thought, this is exactly right. When Evans is playing point it's because Mick wants his best player to initiate and create problems for the other team. He's always been efficient but disappears too often. I think they've used Evans really well and effectively as an initiator when they want to get him involved.

I sometimes wonder what games people are watching if they can't appreciate what Jenifer has been doing on both ends for UC this year. He's not a take over PG, but he protects the ball, gets others involved and shoots at a solid clip. When you have a starting lineup with that many weapons they don't need Jenifer to be overly assertive. that combined with his defense both on and away from the ball have been huge in UC's overall success.

Wouldn't you agree that a team with 5 dynamic scorers on the court has more potential than a team with 4?

I think everyone (on this board at least) understands and appreciates Jenifer's contributions to the team, but Broome is immensely more talented. As much as I love Evans and Clark, Broome is the guy on the team with the most 'Holy sh*t that was impressive' moments. I think you have to try to harness that (his performances against Xavier and Florida were top notch) because a difference maker at the point raises this team's ceiling.
 
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(01-19-2018 09:35 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  
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(01-19-2018 09:07 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  Just a thought: maybe Mick is putting Evans at PG to put a bit of pressure on him to play more aggressively/assertively.

It's not just a thought, this is exactly right. When Evans is playing point it's because Mick wants his best player to initiate and create problems for the other team. He's always been efficient but disappears too often. I think they've used Evans really well and effectively as an initiator when they want to get him involved.

I sometimes wonder what games people are watching if they can't appreciate what Jenifer has been doing on both ends for UC this year. He's not a take over PG, but he protects the ball, gets others involved and shoots at a solid clip. When you have a starting lineup with that many weapons they don't need Jenifer to be overly assertive. that combined with his defense both on and away from the ball have been huge in UC's overall success.

Wouldn't you agree that a team with 5 dynamic scorers on the court has more potential than a team with 4?

I think everyone (on this board at least) understands and appreciates Jenifer's contributions to the team, but Broome is immensely more talented. As much as I love Evans and Clark, Broome is the guy on the team with the most 'Holy sh*t that was impressive' moments. I think you have to try to harness that (his performances against Xavier and Florida were top notch) because a difference maker at the point raises this team's ceiling.

I think they are doing that. He's been hurt so he's been somewhat limited, but I absolutely believe UC and the staff see him as guy who can be difference maker and are using him in the best way to bring it out of him. He's a dynamic sixth man that the staff will lean on when he's having a particularly effective offensive game. He gives an explosive scoring option when some of the starters go to the bench, but can play with them as well.

I think as far as your first question goes...it depends. When one guy is a SIGNIFICANTLY better defender and protects the ball better (allowing for your other 4 scorers to get more chances) there is value in him being on the floor as well. Especially when he hasn't been a liability at all on offense.
 
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I like Broome, but his on the ball defense is very poor.
 
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(01-19-2018 09:13 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(01-19-2018 09:07 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  Just a thought: maybe Mick is putting Evans at PG to put a bit of pressure on him to play more aggressively/assertively.

It's not just a thought, this is exactly right. When Evans is playing point it's because Mick wants his best player to initiate and create problems for the other team. He's always been efficient but disappears too often. I think they've used Evans really well and effectively as an initiator when they want to get him involved.

I sometimes wonder what games people are watching if they can't appreciate what Jenifer has been doing on both ends for UC this year. He's not a take over PG, but he protects the ball, gets others involved and shoots at a solid clip. When you have a starting lineup with that many weapons they don't need Jenifer to be overly assertive. that combined with his defense both on and away from the ball have been huge in UC's overall success.

JJ reminds me of Keith Legree to some extent, for those who remember him. Keith didn't shoot the ball particularly well but was a solid floor general; athletic, and a great defender. He had transferred to UC from Louisville and had already signed a MLB contract while in school. I'm not sure he ever advanced to the MLB level though.

I'm not one for point guard by committee but I have to say it's worked well so far. I like Evans handling the point to close out a close game because of his versatility and free throw shooting.
 
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Jennifer is the classic PG for a one and done team. If that's your ceiling and expectation then I guess he's okay, but he has zero offensive skill. He cannot shoot and his foul shooting is bad as well. If UC ever hopes to make a run they need to find far more talented players on the offensive end at the PG position. The only hope for a run is for Broome to continue to develop and improve and run away with the job.
 
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(01-19-2018 09:35 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  
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(01-19-2018 09:07 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  Just a thought: maybe Mick is putting Evans at PG to put a bit of pressure on him to play more aggressively/assertively.

It's not just a thought, this is exactly right. When Evans is playing point it's because Mick wants his best player to initiate and create problems for the other team. He's always been efficient but disappears too often. I think they've used Evans really well and effectively as an initiator when they want to get him involved.

I sometimes wonder what games people are watching if they can't appreciate what Jenifer has been doing on both ends for UC this year. He's not a take over PG, but he protects the ball, gets others involved and shoots at a solid clip. When you have a starting lineup with that many weapons they don't need Jenifer to be overly assertive. that combined with his defense both on and away from the ball have been huge in UC's overall success.

Wouldn't you agree that a team with 5 dynamic scorers on the court has more potential than a team with 4?

I think everyone (on this board at least) understands and appreciates Jenifer's contributions to the team, but Broome is immensely more talented. As much as I love Evans and Clark, Broome is the guy on the team with the most 'Holy sh*t that was impressive' moments. I think you have to try to harness that (his performances against Xavier and Florida were top notch) because a difference maker at the point raises this team's ceiling.

That's JEIII and a lot of those moments are on defense.
 
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