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The year college football died due to realignment?
The college football I grew up with has been dead for almost 3 decades. Rutgers to the Big 10? Yuck. But it didn't start with the horrific decision of the big 10 adding low minor Rutgers. That was the end. The beginning was around 1990. The dominoes:

-Big East started football and ESPN said they were a "major conference"
-Florida St joined ACC and ESPN and called the ACC a "major conference"
-Penn St joined the Big 10 making them a ridiculous big 11.
-SWC announced they were disbanding a few years later.
-WAC was deemed officially a "minor conference" by ESPN. (BYU, Utah, TCU, Rice, SMU, SDSU, Air Force etc)
-CUSA formed and majors ECU, Houston, Louisville, Memphis, USM were deemed "minor" by ESPN.
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RE: The year college football died due to realignment?
(01-14-2018 03:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The college football I grew up with has been dead for almost 3 decades. Rutgers to the Big 10? Yuck. But it didn't start with the horrific decision of the big 10 adding low minor Rutgers. That was the end. The beginning was around 1990. The dominoes:

-Big East started football and ESPN said they were a "major conference"
-Florida St joined ACC and ESPN and called the ACC a "major conference"
-Penn St joined the Big 10 making them a ridiculous big 11.
-SWC announced they were disbanding a few years later.
-WAC was deemed officially a "minor conference" by ESPN. (BYU, Utah, TCU, Rice, SMU, SDSU, Air Force etc)
-CUSA formed and majors ECU, Houston, Louisville, Memphis, USM were deemed "minor" by ESPN.

When we’re all but Houston a “major” in the early 90s?
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RE: The year college football died due to realignment?
Before college football died it looked like this:
Big 10-upper Midwest majors
Big 8-lower Midwest majors
SWC-Texas & Arkansas majors
PAC-West Coast majors
SEC-Southeastern majors
ACC-Atlantic Coast majors
WAC-Mountain West/West Coast majors
MAC-Uppermidwestern schools; not major but respected as a long standing group
Big West: West Coast schools not big enough for PAC or WAC
Major Indys: ND, FSU, Penn St, Miami, SC, ECU, USM, etc
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The year college football died due to realignment?
ESPN has way too much power and control of college football. Hopefully this will change.


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RE: The year college football died due to realignment?
(01-14-2018 03:54 PM)leofrog Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 03:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The college football I grew up with has been dead for almost 3 decades. Rutgers to the Big 10? Yuck. But it didn't start with the horrific decision of the big 10 adding low minor Rutgers. That was the end. The beginning was around 1990. The dominoes:

-Big East started football and ESPN said they were a "major conference"
-Florida St joined ACC and ESPN and called the ACC a "major conference"
-Penn St joined the Big 10 making them a ridiculous big 11.
-SWC announced they were disbanding a few years later.
-WAC was deemed officially a "minor conference" by ESPN. (BYU, Utah, TCU, Rice, SMU, SDSU, Air Force etc)
-CUSA formed and majors ECU, Houston, Louisville, Memphis, USM were deemed "minor" by ESPN.

When we’re all but Houston a “major” in the early 90s?

Until 1995, with the formation of CUSA. All were officially considered "Major Independents" I have Newspaper clippings with standings as proof.
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Is this a "back in my day" sort of complaint?
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(01-14-2018 04:00 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Before college football died it looked like this:
Big 10-upper Midwest majors
Big 8-lower Midwest majors
SWC-Texas & Arkansas majors
PAC-West Coast majors
SEC-Southeastern majors
ACC-Atlantic Coast majors
WAC-Mountain West/West Coast majors
MAC-Uppermidwestern schools; not major but respected as a long standing group
Big West: West Coast schools not big enough for PAC or WAC
Major Indys: ND, FSU, Penn St, Miami, SC, ECU, USM, etc

Agree with the setup, just saying ECU, USM, Memphis, and Louisville were nowhere near Miami, Notre Dame, Penn St and Florida St.

Also, the WAC, MAC, and Big West were not major conferences.
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(01-14-2018 04:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 03:54 PM)leofrog Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 03:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The college football I grew up with has been dead for almost 3 decades. Rutgers to the Big 10? Yuck. But it didn't start with the horrific decision of the big 10 adding low minor Rutgers. That was the end. The beginning was around 1990. The dominoes:

-Big East started football and ESPN said they were a "major conference"
-Florida St joined ACC and ESPN and called the ACC a "major conference"
-Penn St joined the Big 10 making them a ridiculous big 11.
-SWC announced they were disbanding a few years later.
-WAC was deemed officially a "minor conference" by ESPN. (BYU, Utah, TCU, Rice, SMU, SDSU, Air Force etc)
-CUSA formed and majors ECU, Houston, Louisville, Memphis, USM were deemed "minor" by ESPN.

When we’re all but Houston a “major” in the early 90s?

Until 1995, with the formation of CUSA. All were officially considered "Major Independents" I have Newspaper clippings with standings as proof.

Major Independents in name only!
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(01-14-2018 04:02 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  ESPN has way too much power and control of college football. Hopefully this will change.


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I think the best of college football has yet to come
In 2024 all hell will break lose and when the chips fall , college FBS football will have a real playoff played on the gridiron for all FBS conferences
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(01-14-2018 04:07 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 04:02 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  ESPN has way too much power and control of college football. Hopefully this will change.


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Personally, as a fan of TCU, I liked what happened in the mid 90s with the SWC breaking up. It made the administration evaluate the future of athletics, and they stepped up. The built a plan that was bought into by the Alumni and supporters. When others were getting elevated based on other criteria (I.e. Cindy and USF to the Big East based on geography), TCU was still forging ahead. It was a long 16 or so year wait, but it made the ride that much better. Also, we were in an era where we had to earn berths in BCS games, and not just given a spot based on being the best of the rest. That’s why I have an interest on schools like Utah and Boise St, because they earned what they got.
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In the 1990's the networks changed the definition of major on us. Major now means that you are in a conference with a few anchor schools that are college football's super elite. It also means they've invested millions of dollars into propping up your claim to that status and if any program outside of that club duplicate or surpass your success they need to be relentlessly discredited.
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(01-14-2018 04:15 PM)leofrog Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 04:07 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 04:02 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  ESPN has way too much power and control of college football. Hopefully this will change.


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I look forward to the day when ESPN dies. The evil empire had destroyed the sport. So proud I don't pay anything to contribute to their walmarization of college athletics
Personally, as a fan of TCU, I liked what happened in the mid 90s with the SWC breaking up. It made the administration evaluate the future of athletics, and they stepped up. The built a plan that was bought into by the Alumni and supporters. When others were getting elevated based on other criteria (I.e. Cindy and USF to the Big East based on geography), TCU was still forging ahead. It was a long 16 or so year wait, but it made the ride that much better. Also, we were in an era where we had to earn berths in BCS games, and not just given a spot based on being the best of the rest. That’s why I have an interest on schools like Utah and Boise St, because they earned what they got.

Not Boise. They've earned it just like TCU and Utah, but were not called up.
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(01-14-2018 04:03 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Is this a "back in my day" sort of complaint?

Maybe. Millennials who rely on Wikipedia or revisionist history could say this too. But it was a better sport before ESPN ruined it. I loved the days as s kid when and my and my brothers would watch the Hawkeyes play Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois on free local tv--football, basketball and wrestling. The occasional ABC regional game (also free) meant nothing to us as we just wanted to watch our team.
ESPN ruined that. ESPN also ruined my school. The one I got my BA from.
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(01-14-2018 04:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 03:54 PM)leofrog Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 03:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The college football I grew up with has been dead for almost 3 decades. Rutgers to the Big 10? Yuck. But it didn't start with the horrific decision of the big 10 adding low minor Rutgers. That was the end. The beginning was around 1990. The dominoes:

-Big East started football and ESPN said they were a "major conference"
-Florida St joined ACC and ESPN and called the ACC a "major conference"
-Penn St joined the Big 10 making them a ridiculous big 11.
-SWC announced they were disbanding a few years later.
-WAC was deemed officially a "minor conference" by ESPN. (BYU, Utah, TCU, Rice, SMU, SDSU, Air Force etc)
-CUSA formed and majors ECU, Houston, Louisville, Memphis, USM were deemed "minor" by ESPN.

When we’re all but Houston a “major” in the early 90s?

Until 1995, with the formation of CUSA. All were officially considered "Major Independents" I have Newspaper clippings with standings as proof.
Hooray for your little scrappy, scrapbook.

Sadly, you failed to mention, the SEC leaving the CFA in 1995. In addition, your failure to do that and the NBC/Notre Dame deal in 1991 makes your weak claim even weaker.
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(01-14-2018 05:22 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 04:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 03:54 PM)leofrog Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 03:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The college football I grew up with has been dead for almost 3 decades. Rutgers to the Big 10? Yuck. But it didn't start with the horrific decision of the big 10 adding low minor Rutgers. That was the end. The beginning was around 1990. The dominoes:

-Big East started football and ESPN said they were a "major conference"
-Florida St joined ACC and ESPN and called the ACC a "major conference"
-Penn St joined the Big 10 making them a ridiculous big 11.
-SWC announced they were disbanding a few years later.
-WAC was deemed officially a "minor conference" by ESPN. (BYU, Utah, TCU, Rice, SMU, SDSU, Air Force etc)
-CUSA formed and majors ECU, Houston, Louisville, Memphis, USM were deemed "minor" by ESPN.

When we’re all but Houston a “major” in the early 90s?

Until 1995, with the formation of CUSA. All were officially considered "Major Independents" I have Newspaper clippings with standings as proof.
Hooray for your little scrappy, scrapbook.

Sadly, you failed to mention, the SEC leaving the CFA in 1995. In addition, your failure to do that and the NBC/Notre Dame deal in 1991 makes your weak claim even weaker.

Not sad at all. I stand by what i included, and what I omitted. Your claim is weak
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(01-14-2018 03:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The college football I grew up with has been dead for almost 3 decades. Rutgers to the Big 10? Yuck. But it didn't start with the horrific decision of the big 10 adding low minor Rutgers. That was the end. The beginning was around 1990. The dominoes:

-Big East started football and ESPN said they were a "major conference"
-Florida St joined ACC and ESPN and called the ACC a "major conference"
-Penn St joined the Big 10 making them a ridiculous big 11.
-SWC announced they were disbanding a few years later.
-WAC was deemed officially a "minor conference" by ESPN. (BYU, Utah, TCU, Rice, SMU, SDSU, Air Force etc)
-CUSA formed and majors ECU, Houston, Louisville, Memphis, USM were deemed "minor" by ESPN.

Much like a Supreme Court ruling, I do not agree with your interpretation of the main cause but concur with the decision. In a separate opinion: 04-cheers

Two major events. The 1991 SEC adding USC and Arkansas to create the SEC Championship game. The success of that event caused the desire to grow conferences. In addition, I think you need to look at the precursors to the BCS. The Bowl Coalition and Bowl Alliance helped lead to this realignment. This helped getting multiple tie-ins to bowl games. I believe the Rose was the only one at the time that had two tie-ins.
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(01-14-2018 04:00 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Before college football died it looked like this:
Big 10-upper Midwest majors
Big 8-lower Midwest majors
SWC-Texas & Arkansas majors
PAC-West Coast majors
SEC-Southeastern majors
ACC-Atlantic Coast majors
WAC-Mountain West/West Coast majors
MAC-Uppermidwestern schools; not major but respected as a long standing group
Big West: West Coast schools not big enough for PAC or WAC
Major Indys: ND, FSU, Penn St, Miami, SC, ECU, USM, etc

Not really sure I agree ECU or USM were Major Independents. I do agree they were much stronger than they are now. You also left out another school with USM and ECU, Va Tech. Back then ND, FSU, Penn St, Miami, SC, Pitt, WVU were the major independents. Joe Pa wanted to form an Eastern Football conferences but these schools did not. Thus PSU went to the B10. SC joined the SEC, FSU joined the ACC and the reminders went to the Big East. Big East football was really good back then. The only school in the "Mid Major Level" to really move to powers in the 90's move was Va Tech.
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Southern Miss had only five seasons where they appeared in the AP polls before the formation of C-USA. Louisville and East Carolina had only three seasons apiece. Memphis had never been ranked. Those were, of course, minor programs.
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(01-14-2018 04:33 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  In the 1990's the networks changed the definition of major on us. Major now means that you are in a conference with a few anchor schools that are college football's super elite. It also means they've invested millions of dollars into propping up your claim to that status and if any program outside of that club duplicate or surpass your success they need to be relentlessly discredited.
Yup, just about sums it up...
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