And Duke lost earlier this year to Boston College. Last I checked Auburn is 16-1 .... I hope Memphis wins every game. But trying to glorify wins over teams that aren’t good...Beat Cincy, Wichita State, Louisville, LSU, Alabama and then talk it up..All better teams then Tulane and Tulsa and Temple...The AAC isn’t some juggernaut basketball league. I’d take SMU and UCF as wins being decent wins. The rest of the league is crap. So yeah. I’m glad they beat these crap teams because it’s better then the alternative.
Wait. Is auburn really 16-1?
Sitting atop the SEC and ranked #22 currently
16-1 and only ranked 22 their ooc schedule must have been worse than ours
They were 14-1 and ranked 22. They will probably jump into the high teens this week.
And Duke lost earlier this year to Boston College. Last I checked Auburn is 16-1 .... I hope Memphis wins every game. But trying to glorify wins over teams that aren’t good...Beat Cincy, Wichita State, Louisville, LSU, Alabama and then talk it up..All better teams then Tulane and Tulsa and Temple...The AAC isn’t some juggernaut basketball league. I’d take SMU and UCF as wins being decent wins. The rest of the league is crap. So yeah. I’m glad they beat these crap teams because it’s better then the alternative.
Wait. Is auburn really 16-1?
Sitting atop the SEC and ranked #22 currently
16-1 and only ranked 22 their ooc schedule must have been worse than ours
(01-14-2018 06:09 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote: Oh it’s more than three...
I'm not one of them.
Wins that look like losses are still wins.
Good for these players.
Tubby should thank them on a daily basis if not twice a day.
It's them, not him.
Go Tigers!!!
Imagine if Pastner had had players like that -- self taught, self motivated -- wow!
He did.
They were just 4 and 5 stars.
I mean what do you think Tubby or Pastner has done to improve Jeremiah Martin that minutes and volume didn't do?
So, now Tubby just rolls the ball out, too? Interesting.
Tubby deserves some credit for finally making changes to the offense that did not work. He deserves blame for misevaluating the team's capacity in preseason to run his preferred offense and then stubbornly insisting on continuing to run it ("obedience!") when results clearly indicated it was not working.
(01-14-2018 06:36 PM)jamammy Wrote: I'm not one of them.
Wins that look like losses are still wins.
Good for these players.
Tubby should thank them on a daily basis if not twice a day.
It's them, not him.
Go Tigers!!!
Imagine if Pastner had had players like that -- self taught, self motivated -- wow!
He did.
They were just 4 and 5 stars.
I mean what do you think Tubby or Pastner has done to improve Jeremiah Martin that minutes and volume didn't do?
So, now Tubby just rolls the ball out, too? Interesting.
Tubby deserves some credit for finally making changes to the offense that did not work. He deserves blame for misevaluating the team's capacity in preseason to run his preferred offense and then stubbornly insisting on continuing to run it ("obedience!") when results clearly indicated it was not working.
Nothing is going to work when you have so many new players. Results clearly didn't indicate anything. 99% of D1 players experience growing pains in their first season.
(01-14-2018 07:35 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote: Imagine if Pastner had had players like that -- self taught, self motivated -- wow!
He did.
They were just 4 and 5 stars.
I mean what do you think Tubby or Pastner has done to improve Jeremiah Martin that minutes and volume didn't do?
So, now Tubby just rolls the ball out, too? Interesting.
Tubby deserves some credit for finally making changes to the offense that did not work. He deserves blame for misevaluating the team's capacity in preseason to run his preferred offense and then stubbornly insisting on continuing to run it ("obedience!") when results clearly indicated it was not working.
Nothing is going to work when you have so many new players. Results clearly didn't indicate anything. 99% of D1 players experience growing pains in their first season.
I respectfully disagree. First, Tubby played a role in the high turnover rate. He is not an innocent victim of circumstance. Second, Tubby is a well paid, veteran coach destined for the HOF. It is his job to properly evaluate his players and find the best style suiting their strengths and mitigating their weaknesses and adapting quickly. Why did it take a meeting with Martin for Tubby to finally see the light?
Furthermore, I believe schools with high turnover rates can still have success with adequate coaching and sufficient talent. I have one in mind now, but they may be others.
I mean what do you think Tubby or Pastner has done to improve Jeremiah Martin that minutes and volume didn't do?
So, now Tubby just rolls the ball out, too? Interesting.
Tubby deserves some credit for finally making changes to the offense that did not work. He deserves blame for misevaluating the team's capacity in preseason to run his preferred offense and then stubbornly insisting on continuing to run it ("obedience!") when results clearly indicated it was not working.
Nothing is going to work when you have so many new players. Results clearly didn't indicate anything. 99% of D1 players experience growing pains in their first season.
I respectfully disagree. First, Tubby played a role in the high turnover rate. He is not an innocent victim of circumstance. Second, Tubby is a well paid, veteran coach destined for the HOF. It is his job to properly evaluate his players and find the best style suiting their strengths and mitigating their weaknesses and adapting quickly. Why did it take a meeting with Martin for Tubby to finally see the light?
Furthermore, I believe schools with high turnover rates can still have success with adequate coaching and sufficient talent. I have one in mind now, but they may be others.
It’s a team full of inexperienced players with no true PG. Just trying to find a lineup is difficult. Coaching is preparing the team and making changes. He’s done just that. This team has played much better than I expected.
I mentioned earlier that I was most disappointed in Parks. He seems to have turned it around lately and that’s been a huge reason for our turnaround. Tubby is doing a great job with this team.
There are many areas where Tubby hasn’t done a great job, and it’s primarily recruiting. But you really have to be stubborn to not agree that, so far, Tubby has done a great job coaching this team....
(01-14-2018 09:19 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote: So, now Tubby just rolls the ball out, too? Interesting.
Tubby deserves some credit for finally making changes to the offense that did not work. He deserves blame for misevaluating the team's capacity in preseason to run his preferred offense and then stubbornly insisting on continuing to run it ("obedience!") when results clearly indicated it was not working.
Nothing is going to work when you have so many new players. Results clearly didn't indicate anything. 99% of D1 players experience growing pains in their first season.
I respectfully disagree. First, Tubby played a role in the high turnover rate. He is not an innocent victim of circumstance. Second, Tubby is a well paid, veteran coach destined for the HOF. It is his job to properly evaluate his players and find the best style suiting their strengths and mitigating their weaknesses and adapting quickly. Why did it take a meeting with Martin for Tubby to finally see the light?
Furthermore, I believe schools with high turnover rates can still have success with adequate coaching and sufficient talent. I have one in mind now, but they may be others.
It’s a team full of inexperienced players with no true PG. Just trying to find a lineup is difficult. Coaching is preparing the team and making changes. He’s done just that. This team has played much better than I expected.
I mentioned earlier that I was most disappointed in Parks. He seems to have turned it around lately and that’s been a huge reason for our turnaround. Tubby is doing a great job with this team.
There are many areas where Tubby hasn’t done a great job, and it’s primarily recruiting. But you really have to be stubborn to not agree that, so far, Tubby has done a great job coaching this team....
They get handled by good teams and barely win against really bad teams and that is playing much better than you expected?
(01-14-2018 11:21 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote: And Duke lost earlier this year to Boston College. Last I checked Auburn is 16-1 .... I hope Memphis wins every game. But trying to glorify wins over teams that aren’t good...Beat Cincy, Wichita State, Louisville, LSU, Alabama and then talk it up..All better teams then Tulane and Tulsa and Temple...The AAC isn’t some juggernaut basketball league. I’d take SMU and UCF as wins being decent wins. The rest of the league is crap. So yeah. I’m glad they beat these crap teams because it’s better then the alternative.
Wait. Is auburn really 16-1?
Sitting atop the SEC and ranked #22 currently
16-1 and only ranked 22 their ooc schedule must have been worse than ours
Kenpom NCSOS - Auburn 196 vs. Memphis 283.
How in the world can you be 16-1 and not ranked in the top half of the country???
That is the most anomalous thing Ive ever seen
Well, outside of Tiajuana
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I mean what do you think Tubby or Pastner has done to improve Jeremiah Martin that minutes and volume didn't do?
So, now Tubby just rolls the ball out, too? Interesting.
Actually, I asked a question.
What do you think Tubby has done for Martin?
It appears that Martin goes iso whenever he wants and has a green light for shooting.
What do you think Tubby has done to make that better?
Martin has been able to drive the lane for several years (check some of my posts from one or two years ago bemoaning the fact that he always waited till the last couple of minutes to do so.) So, that part did not come from Tubby. Confidence (or whatever you want to call it) to do so possibly did.
Now, shooting the three ball was not one of his strengths. He made 6 his freshman year and 24 all of last year as the starting point guard, but he's on track to double that before the conference tournament this year, and his percentage is up. I don't think the extra 3 minutes a game this year at the same position can account for that. He's more the go-to guy this year, but his supporting cast is only averaging 2.5 points less per player this year than last year's crew. It's not like the other four from last year's group did a great deal more scoring than this year's group does. We average 3 points a game less this year than last.
Bottom line, he's a good player who had fairly good coaching in high school but is getting much better coaching now, and he's turned into one of the best players in the conference. If you think he would've done that under Pastner, I'll respect your right to hold that opinion, but that's it.
Then why didn't he come out game 1 doing what he doing now?
I am saying with this volume, the green light to iso, this surrounding team, and this situation has helped him become the incredible player that he is now.
I think he would have been close to this player LAST year under a real player developer.
And I think he would be exactly the player he is today under ANY coach given the same circumstances.
If you tell me that Tubby helped him become a great player by not putting strong players around him then I might agree with your assessment.
I answered your question, answer mine. Are you saying Tubby just rolls the ball out? Are you saying you think Josh Pastner is as good at player development as Tubby Smith? Nothing but curiosity on my part. As I said, I respect the rights of people to have and express differing opinions, regardless of how lamebrained I think they are.
I mean what do you think Tubby or Pastner has done to improve Jeremiah Martin that minutes and volume didn't do?
So, now Tubby just rolls the ball out, too? Interesting.
Actually, I asked a question.
What do you think Tubby has done for Martin?
It appears that Martin goes iso whenever he wants and has a green light for shooting.
What do you think Tubby has done to make that better?
So the only thing a coach does is teach plays...
Is that what you are trying to get at...Is it possible during their individual working sessions during the offseason he showed him somethings he needed to do to improve his game...JUST MAYBE that is why he is not as Left hand dominant right now. I am sure work ethic has a lot to do with it as well
So, why have we not seen the same improvement with Jimario Rivers?
And yes, I am asking directly about player improvement.
As a famous Canadian in reference to a masked strength and training coach once said...
He helped them get a year older.
Who knows I aint there...And neither are you
What about Parks...Or is that just getting acclimated to D1
(This post was last modified: 01-16-2018 11:23 PM by macgar32.)
I don’t understand why people can’t see the great job Tubby has done with this team. All we need now is for a couple of Jimmy Chitwoods to committ and we’re on our way. The guy can coach.
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