(01-18-2018 07:40 AM)Stammers Wrote: All of our jucos SHOULD be a shell of what they are going to be next year. Typically jucos show the greatest improvement of any players after they have one year of D1 experience under their belt.
I think that is an urban legend, much like Cal's "the greatest improvement is between frosh and sophomores years" stuff.
JUCO's productivity and performance is generally just based on system acclimation and playing time.
Geron, for example, had a much more productive 1st year.
Niem Stevenson for Texas Tech went for 8.6 and 3.9 rpg while shooting 48% and 37.5% from 3pt. This year he's 7.4 ppg, 3.2 rpg 41% fg and 35%3pt.
And even those who improve, it's more incremental than giant. Trahson went from 9.1 ppg to 10.0 ppg and Woodson went from 7.9 to 9.6, which is nice but not like he's going from 6.3 to 11.3.
Rivers was 6.4 and 3.5 last year shooting 59% and this year he's playing a couple more minutes and going for 8.1 and 4.1 while shooting 53%. An improvement, but not a quantum leap.
I wouldn't expect Rhodes to be back next year. I think Davenport has sorta peaked this year while Parks is on the upswing. Thornton seems to be a man without a position and might be challenged by Enoh and Nickel (assuming neither transfer) for PT next year.
IIRC you and I had this argument this summer. I said 1-2 of the jucos could leave after this year; you said jucos don't leave. Glad you've come around.
I think you're right on Thornton. He's the one guy whose minutes are up and his production down. Sooner or later, he will start losing those minutes.
(01-18-2018 07:40 AM)Stammers Wrote: All of our jucos SHOULD be a shell of what they are going to be next year. Typically jucos show the greatest improvement of any players after they have one year of D1 experience under their belt.
I think that is an urban legend, much like Cal's "the greatest improvement is between frosh and sophomores years" stuff.
JUCO's productivity and performance is generally just based on system acclimation and playing time.
Geron, for example, had a much more productive 1st year.
Niem Stevenson for Texas Tech went for 8.6 and 3.9 rpg while shooting 48% and 37.5% from 3pt. This year he's 7.4 ppg, 3.2 rpg 41% fg and 35%3pt.
And even those who improve, it's more incremental than giant. Trahson went from 9.1 ppg to 10.0 ppg and Woodson went from 7.9 to 9.6, which is nice but not like he's going from 6.3 to 11.3.
Rivers was 6.4 and 3.5 last year shooting 59% and this year he's playing a couple more minutes and going for 8.1 and 4.1 while shooting 53%. An improvement, but not a quantum leap.
I wouldn't expect Rhodes to be back next year. I think Davenport has sorta peaked this year while Parks is on the upswing. Thornton seems to be a man without a position and might be challenged by Enoh and Nickel (assuming neither transfer) for PT next year.
IIRC you and I had this argument this summer. I said 1-2 of the jucos could leave after this year; you said jucos don't leave. Glad you've come around.
I think you're right on Thornton. He's the one guy whose minutes are up and his production down. Sooner or later, he will start losing those minutes.
I think someone will leave too. Even when it doesn’t make sense. It just happens. Whether it’s grades, girlfriend, homesick, trouble, not enough playing time, etc. For the Jucos, I think they’d exhaust their eligibility unless they get a hardship. Still, I expect someone on this roster to move on.
(01-18-2018 07:40 AM)Stammers Wrote: All of our jucos SHOULD be a shell of what they are going to be next year. Typically jucos show the greatest improvement of any players after they have one year of D1 experience under their belt.
I think that is an urban legend, much like Cal's "the greatest improvement is between frosh and sophomores years" stuff.
JUCO's productivity and performance is generally just based on system acclimation and playing time.
Geron, for example, had a much more productive 1st year.
Niem Stevenson for Texas Tech went for 8.6 and 3.9 rpg while shooting 48% and 37.5% from 3pt. This year he's 7.4 ppg, 3.2 rpg 41% fg and 35%3pt.
And even those who improve, it's more incremental than giant. Trahson went from 9.1 ppg to 10.0 ppg and Woodson went from 7.9 to 9.6, which is nice but not like he's going from 6.3 to 11.3.
Rivers was 6.4 and 3.5 last year shooting 59% and this year he's playing a couple more minutes and going for 8.1 and 4.1 while shooting 53%. An improvement, but not a quantum leap.
I wouldn't expect Rhodes to be back next year. I think Davenport has sorta peaked this year while Parks is on the upswing. Thornton seems to be a man without a position and might be challenged by Enoh and Nickel (assuming neither transfer) for PT next year.
IIRC you and I had this argument this summer. I said 1-2 of the jucos could leave after this year; you said jucos don't leave. Glad you've come around.
I think you're right on Thornton. He's the one guy whose minutes are up and his production down. Sooner or later, he will start losing those minutes.
I think someone will leave too. Even when it doesn’t make sense. It just happens. Whether it’s grades, girlfriend, homesick, trouble, not enough playing time, etc. For the Jucos, I think they’d exhaust their eligibility unless they get a hardship. Still, I expect someone on this roster to move on.
We've had jucos move before. They usually go down a division to play immediately (if they are struggling transfers). They are also eligible for the senior transfer rule (Avery Woodson).
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