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I will not be renewing my season tickets next year if Murphy is still coaching the team. I have listed the areas where he lacks year after year. I will not do it again. I expect better and I demand better. I trust that Wetherbee will make a better hire.


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(01-13-2018 06:31 PM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  I will not be renewing my season tickets next year if Murphy is still coaching the team. I have listed the areas where he lacks year after year. I will not do it again. I expect better and I demand better. I trust that Wetherbee will make a better hire.


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Make sure you post some ideas on who the next coach should be under that thread I too am disappointed especially this and the previous two seasons it been just spinning the wheels
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I will when the time comes, but at this point it is pure guessing. Nothing will happen til after the season unless some Ron English/Bacari Alexander stuff happens.


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I agree, Murphy can’t coach a very talented team. And since his assistants who recruited the talent are gone, I think Murphy should go as well. Just not sure if we will get the expected results from a new hire either. I suppose you have to try...
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Time for change. Wetherbee must surely have a few connections in the basketball coaching network.
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Heather Lyke got the football program going in the right direction. It looks like she got the WBB going in the right direction too based on their recruiting success and recent trend in MAC play (still early). I was really looking forward to what she could have done with MBB. I heard it from Chris Spears that MBB was next after Football to get going in the right direction. Interesting to see what Wetherbe will do because there's no excitement with EMU Basketball even though we have exciting players.
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There hasn't been excitement for EMU basketball for a long, long time. I think Wetherbee will make a splash hire. He seems like he gets it.
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I wonder how much we are going to offer this "splash hire", and why any "splashy" candidate would take it.

This isn't like firing Ramsey, where we had to replace a bad recruiter AND a bad X and O's guy. We are firing a guy who, at the very least, put a competitive product on the floor. If we fire Murphy to hire another Ramsey, then what was the point? Good coaching candidates will cost more than the pennies we are paying Murphy.
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(01-15-2018 07:56 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I wonder how much we are going to offer this "splash hire", and why any "splashy" candidate would take it.

This isn't like firing Ramsey, where we had to replace a bad recruiter AND a bad X and O's guy. We are firing a guy who, at the very least, put a competitive product on the floor. If we fire Murphy to hire another Ramsey, then what was the point? Good coaching candidates will cost more than the pennies we are paying Murphy.

Sam I have always respected your posts, insights, and especially basketball knowledge. However you cannot be okay with keeping him around knowing what the results will be? His only division title season where he won COY, he was 5 games under .500. Do I know who we will hire? No. Do I know how we will afford it? No. But I also cannot accept keeping him just because those are unknowns at this point. CC was a complete unknown to everyone and was exactly what we needed.

Rob is being out coached by teams with half as much talent, by coaches who get the absolute best out of their players. We need someone who can come in and maximize our talent. Recruiting will always be difficult for an EMU basketball coach, but there will always be smaller but talented players willing to come to Mid Majors (Ellison, McAdoo, Stone) and we need someone who can strike gold with those talents.
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(01-15-2018 08:47 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 07:56 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I wonder how much we are going to offer this "splash hire", and why any "splashy" candidate would take it.

This isn't like firing Ramsey, where we had to replace a bad recruiter AND a bad X and O's guy. We are firing a guy who, at the very least, put a competitive product on the floor. If we fire Murphy to hire another Ramsey, then what was the point? Good coaching candidates will cost more than the pennies we are paying Murphy.

Sam I have always respected your posts, insights, and especially basketball knowledge. However you cannot be okay with keeping him around knowing what the results will be? His only division title season where he won COY, he was 5 games under .500. Do I know who we will hire? No. Do I know how we will afford it? No. But I also cannot accept keeping him just because those are unknowns at this point. CC was a complete unknown to everyone and was exactly what we needed.

Rob is being out coached by teams with half as much talent, by coaches who get the absolute best out of their players. We need someone who can come in and maximize our talent. Recruiting will always be difficult for an EMU basketball coach, but there will always be smaller but talented players willing to come to Mid Majors (Ellison, McAdoo, Stone) and we need someone who can strike gold with those talents.

E'King:

The difference is that EMU is putting good money into its FB program while MBB is getting crumbs.

And I'll say, since your raised it, we will never be a very good team relying on MI high school players. The depth in MI h.s. boys basketball just isn't there most years (2018 is an exception). We aren't going to win MAC championships with MI kids. The best players on this year's team are JT4, Minnie, Jackson, and Bond, none of whom are from MI. The fifth best, Groce, transferred back to EMU. Parenthetically, the same holds true for FB. We do much, much better out-of-state. The talent is in places we are hitting like FL, Ga, Tx, OH, etc. and, of course, JUCOs. If we relied on MI FB recruits for our recruiting base, we'd be lost. MI h.s. FB does not compete well vs. TX, FL, GA, La, CA, etc.

The best mid-major in MI, Oakland, has relied on transfers, as we do.
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(01-15-2018 09:31 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 08:47 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 07:56 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I wonder how much we are going to offer this "splash hire", and why any "splashy" candidate would take it.

This isn't like firing Ramsey, where we had to replace a bad recruiter AND a bad X and O's guy. We are firing a guy who, at the very least, put a competitive product on the floor. If we fire Murphy to hire another Ramsey, then what was the point? Good coaching candidates will cost more than the pennies we are paying Murphy.

Sam I have always respected your posts, insights, and especially basketball knowledge. However you cannot be okay with keeping him around knowing what the results will be? His only division title season where he won COY, he was 5 games under .500. Do I know who we will hire? No. Do I know how we will afford it? No. But I also cannot accept keeping him just because those are unknowns at this point. CC was a complete unknown to everyone and was exactly what we needed.

Rob is being out coached by teams with half as much talent, by coaches who get the absolute best out of their players. We need someone who can come in and maximize our talent. Recruiting will always be difficult for an EMU basketball coach, but there will always be smaller but talented players willing to come to Mid Majors (Ellison, McAdoo, Stone) and we need someone who can strike gold with those talents.

E'King:

The difference is that EMU is putting good money into its FB program while MBB is getting crumbs.

And I'll say, since your raised it, we will never be a very good team relying on MI high school players. The depth in MI h.s. boys basketball just isn't there most years (2018 is an exception). We aren't going to win MAC championships with MI kids. The best players on this year's team are JT4, Minnie, Jackson, and Bond, none of whom are from MI. The fifth best, Groce, transferred back to EMU. Parenthetically, the same holds true for FB. We do much, much better out-of-state. The talent is in places we are hitting like FL, Ga, Tx, OH, etc. and, of course, JUCOs. If we relied on MI FB recruits, we'd be lost.

The best mid-major in MI, Oakland, has relied on transfers, as we do.

We can still find a suitable replacement with the money we give Murphy. I agree with the last part Steve. We will never have a roster of 15 MI players. However we need to have 3-4 every year who are contributing. The rest of the roster can be made of JUCOs, transfers, and occasionally getting lucky on some out of state guys.

However with the continued success of UM and MSU in hoops, they will be getting bigger and bigger recruits, even out of state high end players, leaving behind the rest of the top 50 MI players for us, OU, CMU, WMU, UofD, to fight over.
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(01-15-2018 09:40 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 09:31 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 08:47 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 07:56 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I wonder how much we are going to offer this "splash hire", and why any "splashy" candidate would take it.

This isn't like firing Ramsey, where we had to replace a bad recruiter AND a bad X and O's guy. We are firing a guy who, at the very least, put a competitive product on the floor. If we fire Murphy to hire another Ramsey, then what was the point? Good coaching candidates will cost more than the pennies we are paying Murphy.

Sam I have always respected your posts, insights, and especially basketball knowledge. However you cannot be okay with keeping him around knowing what the results will be? His only division title season where he won COY, he was 5 games under .500. Do I know who we will hire? No. Do I know how we will afford it? No. But I also cannot accept keeping him just because those are unknowns at this point. CC was a complete unknown to everyone and was exactly what we needed.

Rob is being out coached by teams with half as much talent, by coaches who get the absolute best out of their players. We need someone who can come in and maximize our talent. Recruiting will always be difficult for an EMU basketball coach, but there will always be smaller but talented players willing to come to Mid Majors (Ellison, McAdoo, Stone) and we need someone who can strike gold with those talents.

E'King:

The difference is that EMU is putting good money into its FB program while MBB is getting crumbs.

And I'll say, since your raised it, we will never be a very good team relying on MI high school players. The depth in MI h.s. boys basketball just isn't there most years (2018 is an exception). We aren't going to win MAC championships with MI kids. The best players on this year's team are JT4, Minnie, Jackson, and Bond, none of whom are from MI. The fifth best, Groce, transferred back to EMU. Parenthetically, the same holds true for FB. We do much, much better out-of-state. The talent is in places we are hitting like FL, Ga, Tx, OH, etc. and, of course, JUCOs. If we relied on MI FB recruits, we'd be lost.

The best mid-major in MI, Oakland, has relied on transfers, as we do.

We can still find a suitable replacement with the money we give Murphy. I agree with the last part Steve. We will never have a roster of 15 MI players. However we need to have 3-4 every year who are contributing. The rest of the roster can be made of JUCOs, transfers, and occasionally getting lucky on some out of state guys.

However with the continued success of UM and MSU in hoops, they will be getting bigger and bigger recruits, even out of state high end players, leaving behind the rest of the top 50 MI players for us, OU, CMU, WMU, UofD, to fight over.

Okay, but I need to correct something:

MAC/Horizon players are top 25 in MI. Once outside of top 25 it really becomes D-II.

In MI we have been recruiting in the say 20 - 25/30 range (e.g., Stone, McAdoo, etc.) and those will not consistently pan out. MAC starters are the exception, not the rule.

And Oakland is damn tough with their success.
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(01-15-2018 09:49 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 09:40 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 09:31 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 08:47 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 07:56 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I wonder how much we are going to offer this "splash hire", and why any "splashy" candidate would take it.

This isn't like firing Ramsey, where we had to replace a bad recruiter AND a bad X and O's guy. We are firing a guy who, at the very least, put a competitive product on the floor. If we fire Murphy to hire another Ramsey, then what was the point? Good coaching candidates will cost more than the pennies we are paying Murphy.

Sam I have always respected your posts, insights, and especially basketball knowledge. However you cannot be okay with keeping him around knowing what the results will be? His only division title season where he won COY, he was 5 games under .500. Do I know who we will hire? No. Do I know how we will afford it? No. But I also cannot accept keeping him just because those are unknowns at this point. CC was a complete unknown to everyone and was exactly what we needed.

Rob is being out coached by teams with half as much talent, by coaches who get the absolute best out of their players. We need someone who can come in and maximize our talent. Recruiting will always be difficult for an EMU basketball coach, but there will always be smaller but talented players willing to come to Mid Majors (Ellison, McAdoo, Stone) and we need someone who can strike gold with those talents.

E'King:

The difference is that EMU is putting good money into its FB program while MBB is getting crumbs.

And I'll say, since your raised it, we will never be a very good team relying on MI high school players. The depth in MI h.s. boys basketball just isn't there most years (2018 is an exception). We aren't going to win MAC championships with MI kids. The best players on this year's team are JT4, Minnie, Jackson, and Bond, none of whom are from MI. The fifth best, Groce, transferred back to EMU. Parenthetically, the same holds true for FB. We do much, much better out-of-state. The talent is in places we are hitting like FL, Ga, Tx, OH, etc. and, of course, JUCOs. If we relied on MI FB recruits, we'd be lost.

The best mid-major in MI, Oakland, has relied on transfers, as we do.

We can still find a suitable replacement with the money we give Murphy. I agree with the last part Steve. We will never have a roster of 15 MI players. However we need to have 3-4 every year who are contributing. The rest of the roster can be made of JUCOs, transfers, and occasionally getting lucky on some out of state guys.

However with the continued success of UM and MSU in hoops, they will be getting bigger and bigger recruits, even out of state high end players, leaving behind the rest of the top 50 MI players for us, OU, CMU, WMU, UofD, to fight over.

Okay, but I need to correct something:

MAC/Horizon players are top 25 in MI. Once outside of top 25 it really becomes D-II.

In MI we have been recruiting in the say 20 - 25/30 range (e.g., Stone, McAdoo, etc.) and those will not consistently pan out. MAC starters are the exception, not the rule.

And Oakland is damn tough with their success.

You are right, top 50 is pushing it. My point is still the same though. We need to find a coach who can take a not as highly touted HS player (20-50 range) and be able to occasionally make a MAC starter out of him. This can happen with proper schemes, offensive strategy, and motivation. I do not think we have that coach currently.
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(01-15-2018 10:03 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 09:49 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 09:40 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 09:31 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 08:47 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  Sam I have always respected your posts, insights, and especially basketball knowledge. However you cannot be okay with keeping him around knowing what the results will be? His only division title season where he won COY, he was 5 games under .500. Do I know who we will hire? No. Do I know how we will afford it? No. But I also cannot accept keeping him just because those are unknowns at this point. CC was a complete unknown to everyone and was exactly what we needed.

Rob is being out coached by teams with half as much talent, by coaches who get the absolute best out of their players. We need someone who can come in and maximize our talent. Recruiting will always be difficult for an EMU basketball coach, but there will always be smaller but talented players willing to come to Mid Majors (Ellison, McAdoo, Stone) and we need someone who can strike gold with those talents.

E'King:

The difference is that EMU is putting good money into its FB program while MBB is getting crumbs.

And I'll say, since your raised it, we will never be a very good team relying on MI high school players. The depth in MI h.s. boys basketball just isn't there most years (2018 is an exception). We aren't going to win MAC championships with MI kids. The best players on this year's team are JT4, Minnie, Jackson, and Bond, none of whom are from MI. The fifth best, Groce, transferred back to EMU. Parenthetically, the same holds true for FB. We do much, much better out-of-state. The talent is in places we are hitting like FL, Ga, Tx, OH, etc. and, of course, JUCOs. If we relied on MI FB recruits, we'd be lost.

The best mid-major in MI, Oakland, has relied on transfers, as we do.

We can still find a suitable replacement with the money we give Murphy. I agree with the last part Steve. We will never have a roster of 15 MI players. However we need to have 3-4 every year who are contributing. The rest of the roster can be made of JUCOs, transfers, and occasionally getting lucky on some out of state guys.

However with the continued success of UM and MSU in hoops, they will be getting bigger and bigger recruits, even out of state high end players, leaving behind the rest of the top 50 MI players for us, OU, CMU, WMU, UofD, to fight over.

Okay, but I need to correct something:

MAC/Horizon players are top 25 in MI. Once outside of top 25 it really becomes D-II.

In MI we have been recruiting in the say 20 - 25/30 range (e.g., Stone, McAdoo, etc.) and those will not consistently pan out. MAC starters are the exception, not the rule.

And Oakland is damn tough with their success.

You are right, top 50 is pushing it. My point is still the same though. We need to find a coach who can take a not as highly touted HS player (20-50 range) and be able to occasionally make a MAC starter out of him. This can happen with proper schemes, offensive strategy, and motivation. I do not think we have that coach currently.

I think we win by recruiting very well in MBB, WBB, and FB, out of state going where the talent is deep.
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(01-15-2018 08:47 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 07:56 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I wonder how much we are going to offer this "splash hire", and why any "splashy" candidate would take it.

This isn't like firing Ramsey, where we had to replace a bad recruiter AND a bad X and O's guy. We are firing a guy who, at the very least, put a competitive product on the floor. If we fire Murphy to hire another Ramsey, then what was the point? Good coaching candidates will cost more than the pennies we are paying Murphy.

Sam I have always respected your posts, insights, and especially basketball knowledge. However you cannot be okay with keeping him around knowing what the results will be? His only division title season where he won COY, he was 5 games under .500. Do I know who we will hire? No. Do I know how we will afford it? No. But I also cannot accept keeping him just because those are unknowns at this point. CC was a complete unknown to everyone and was exactly what we needed.

Rob is being out coached by teams with half as much talent, by coaches who get the absolute best out of their players. We need someone who can come in and maximize our talent. Recruiting will always be difficult for an EMU basketball coach, but there will always be smaller but talented players willing to come to Mid Majors (Ellison, McAdoo, Stone) and we need someone who can strike gold with those talents.

Very well said EagleKing
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(01-15-2018 09:31 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 08:47 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 07:56 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I wonder how much we are going to offer this "splash hire", and why any "splashy" candidate would take it.

This isn't like firing Ramsey, where we had to replace a bad recruiter AND a bad X and O's guy. We are firing a guy who, at the very least, put a competitive product on the floor. If we fire Murphy to hire another Ramsey, then what was the point? Good coaching candidates will cost more than the pennies we are paying Murphy.

Sam I have always respected your posts, insights, and especially basketball knowledge. However you cannot be okay with keeping him around knowing what the results will be? His only division title season where he won COY, he was 5 games under .500. Do I know who we will hire? No. Do I know how we will afford it? No. But I also cannot accept keeping him just because those are unknowns at this point. CC was a complete unknown to everyone and was exactly what we needed.

Rob is being out coached by teams with half as much talent, by coaches who get the absolute best out of their players. We need someone who can come in and maximize our talent. Recruiting will always be difficult for an EMU basketball coach, but there will always be smaller but talented players willing to come to Mid Majors (Ellison, McAdoo, Stone) and we need someone who can strike gold with those talents.

E'King:

The difference is that EMU is putting good money into its FB program while MBB is getting crumbs.

And I'll say, since your raised it, we will never be a very good team relying on MI high school players. The depth in MI h.s. boys basketball just isn't there most years (2018 is an exception). We aren't going to win MAC championships with MI kids. The best players on this year's team are JT4, Minnie, Jackson, and Bond, none of whom are from MI. The fifth best, Groce, transferred back to EMU. Parenthetically, the same holds true for FB. We do much, much better out-of-state. The talent is in places we are hitting like FL, Ga, Tx, OH, etc. and, of course, JUCOs. If we relied on MI FB recruits for our recruiting base, we'd be lost. MI h.s. FB does not compete well vs. TX, FL, GA, La, CA, etc.

The best mid-major in MI, Oakland, has relied on transfers, as we do.
Wrong, wrong, wrong on Michigan highschool talent. There's a ton of talent here in Michigan every year in the D, in Flint, in Saginaw, in Lansing, etc, etc. Just go look at the rosters of WMU, CMU, EMU, Oakland, UofD, Toledo, Cleveland St, etc..... Michigan has great highschool talent. If we had a coach who was successful, plays exciting basketball, we would get our share of players. Murphy specifically recruits length to fit his system. He recruits very talented players that underachieve and are underutilized.


A program is on it's way up or down and all of the MAC coaches simply negatively recruit against Murphy because of Murphy's lack of success. When Murphy competes against the MAC coaches, his peers will tell recruits Murphy will never win a MAC Championship just look at his record. So Murphy recruits mostly outside of Michigan so coaches can't negatively recruit against him plus he looks for the certain type of "length" to play in his zone. Murphy doesn't recruit great players and coaches to his rosters strength, he recruits great players for his underachieving system.

Lots of talent in the state. We need to hire a coach with a vision similar to CC. A coach who will establish a brand, an identity, who can manage all aspects of the program.


State of Michigan in top 10 for highschool players and we are a few players from being in top 5.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/...p-25-teams
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(01-15-2018 09:49 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 09:40 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 09:31 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 08:47 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 07:56 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I wonder how much we are going to offer this "splash hire", and why any "splashy" candidate would take it.

This isn't like firing Ramsey, where we had to replace a bad recruiter AND a bad X and O's guy. We are firing a guy who, at the very least, put a competitive product on the floor. If we fire Murphy to hire another Ramsey, then what was the point? Good coaching candidates will cost more than the pennies we are paying Murphy.

Sam I have always respected your posts, insights, and especially basketball knowledge. However you cannot be okay with keeping him around knowing what the results will be? His only division title season where he won COY, he was 5 games under .500. Do I know who we will hire? No. Do I know how we will afford it? No. But I also cannot accept keeping him just because those are unknowns at this point. CC was a complete unknown to everyone and was exactly what we needed.

Rob is being out coached by teams with half as much talent, by coaches who get the absolute best out of their players. We need someone who can come in and maximize our talent. Recruiting will always be difficult for an EMU basketball coach, but there will always be smaller but talented players willing to come to Mid Majors (Ellison, McAdoo, Stone) and we need someone who can strike gold with those talents.

E'King:

The difference is that EMU is putting good money into its FB program while MBB is getting crumbs.

And I'll say, since your raised it, we will never be a very good team relying on MI high school players. The depth in MI h.s. boys basketball just isn't there most years (2018 is an exception). We aren't going to win MAC championships with MI kids. The best players on this year's team are JT4, Minnie, Jackson, and Bond, none of whom are from MI. The fifth best, Groce, transferred back to EMU. Parenthetically, the same holds true for FB. We do much, much better out-of-state. The talent is in places we are hitting like FL, Ga, Tx, OH, etc. and, of course, JUCOs. If we relied on MI FB recruits, we'd be lost.

The best mid-major in MI, Oakland, has relied on transfers, as we do.

We can still find a suitable replacement with the money we give Murphy. I agree with the last part Steve. We will never have a roster of 15 MI players. However we need to have 3-4 every year who are contributing. The rest of the roster can be made of JUCOs, transfers, and occasionally getting lucky on some out of state guys.

However with the continued success of UM and MSU in hoops, they will be getting bigger and bigger recruits, even out of state high end players, leaving behind the rest of the top 50 MI players for us, OU, CMU, WMU, UofD, to fight over.

Okay, but I need to correct something:

MAC/Horizon players are top 25 in MI. Once outside of top 25 it really becomes D-II.

In MI we have been recruiting in the say 20 - 25/30 range (e.g., Stone, McAdoo, etc.) and those will not consistently pan out. MAC starters are the exception, not the rule.

And Oakland is damn tough with their success.
Bingo Steve, you nailed it on EMU losing out to recruits due to Oakland's success and Murphy's failure.
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EMU is located just outside the hotbed of Michigan basketball talent. Like Luckey said, there is a lot of basketball talent in the state of Michigan. These constant excuses for Murphy are as annoying as his bad coaching.
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(01-15-2018 10:51 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 09:49 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 09:40 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 09:31 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 08:47 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  Sam I have always respected your posts, insights, and especially basketball knowledge. However you cannot be okay with keeping him around knowing what the results will be? His only division title season where he won COY, he was 5 games under .500. Do I know who we will hire? No. Do I know how we will afford it? No. But I also cannot accept keeping him just because those are unknowns at this point. CC was a complete unknown to everyone and was exactly what we needed.

Rob is being out coached by teams with half as much talent, by coaches who get the absolute best out of their players. We need someone who can come in and maximize our talent. Recruiting will always be difficult for an EMU basketball coach, but there will always be smaller but talented players willing to come to Mid Majors (Ellison, McAdoo, Stone) and we need someone who can strike gold with those talents.

E'King:

The difference is that EMU is putting good money into its FB program while MBB is getting crumbs.

And I'll say, since your raised it, we will never be a very good team relying on MI high school players. The depth in MI h.s. boys basketball just isn't there most years (2018 is an exception). We aren't going to win MAC championships with MI kids. The best players on this year's team are JT4, Minnie, Jackson, and Bond, none of whom are from MI. The fifth best, Groce, transferred back to EMU. Parenthetically, the same holds true for FB. We do much, much better out-of-state. The talent is in places we are hitting like FL, Ga, Tx, OH, etc. and, of course, JUCOs. If we relied on MI FB recruits, we'd be lost.

The best mid-major in MI, Oakland, has relied on transfers, as we do.

We can still find a suitable replacement with the money we give Murphy. I agree with the last part Steve. We will never have a roster of 15 MI players. However we need to have 3-4 every year who are contributing. The rest of the roster can be made of JUCOs, transfers, and occasionally getting lucky on some out of state guys.

However with the continued success of UM and MSU in hoops, they will be getting bigger and bigger recruits, even out of state high end players, leaving behind the rest of the top 50 MI players for us, OU, CMU, WMU, UofD, to fight over.

Okay, but I need to correct something:

MAC/Horizon players are top 25 in MI. Once outside of top 25 it really becomes D-II.

In MI we have been recruiting in the say 20 - 25/30 range (e.g., Stone, McAdoo, etc.) and those will not consistently pan out. MAC starters are the exception, not the rule.

And Oakland is damn tough with their success.
Bingo Steve, you nailed it on EMU losing out to recruits due to Oakland's success and Murphy's failure.

Luckey, MI has been largely a dry hole for EMU maybe going back to the late 90s.

Lot of it is assumed to deal with problems with Barnes and then Boone got blacklisted in Detroit PSL and the rest has been essentially downhill for MI h.s. recruiting for us.

I'll get a list of the best EMU players of the 2000s and not many from MI.

The few best MI h.s. players (NON-Transfers) were Medlock, Bowdry and Lee. One would have a hard time coming up with an EMU all-star team composed of MI h.s. players who graduated in 2000 or later and SIGNED with EMU out of high school. Am I missing anyone who signed with EMU out of h.s. and had a season averaging at least 10 PPG? (I guess we could put Garrett on the list but he is one of those, yeah, he had talent, but, but, but...).
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