Go BIG or go home. 16 teams with all 10 conference champions automatically in and then the next best 6 teams based on overall ranking in the top 25 polls. Then conferences like the SEC (or any P5) can potentially get their top 7 teams in the playoff. No one could argue the opportunity and all G5s get a shot at the Cinderella Season. Every conference being in would increase the interest and money across the board. Right now I could NOT care less about Bama vs. GA. I hope they battle to an endless 0-0 tie.

(01-08-2018 12:43 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...-teams-now

G5 commissioners, including Benson, unanimously supported the current 4 team playoff system. Wtf. Fire these puppets of the P5 oligarchy

Benson has shown over and over he is a P5 lap dog and has done very little in advancing this conference. Every time he speaks I think to myself we have the dumbest Conf Commissioner in the FBS without a doubt.

As far as G5 access if you play an FCS you basically have no shot from the start. You eliminate the FCS game with a P5 or good G5 your SOS will be greatly improved and you will have the bullet point of playing a full FBS schedule. ESPN would push that point into the ground because they dont want FBS team playing FCS teams for ratings.

Me getting sick and tired of the greed and bullishness of the P5 and NCAA's bias would be like me saying I'm getting sick and tired of a brick wall. No matter how much logic is used to argue for fair treatment, there will never be a system that allows for anybody but the schools like Alabama, UNC, Clemson, Michigan, Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Oregon, etc., to grow and prosper at the level to a level that everybody feels comfortable with. The P5 continues to treat everything like the monopoly that is is, threatening to remove themselves from the equation at every turn, should they not be able to check off every last box for what they want out of a situation.

I've heard the arguments and I've seen the numbers. Every P5 fan always uses the same, "Well, we've been building our program since the dawn of time and we worked hard to get here." Meanwhile, the Alabamas and UNCs of the system continue to get away with every rule violation possible, just because the NCAA is too afraid to step in, do their jobs, and risk a loss of revenue. For Christ's sake, UNC got away with cheating for over a decade, sending their student athletes to fake classes just so they could pass and play, but they didn't even get a slap on the wrist for it. Then, you have App State, who was put on post-season probation for GPAs not being high enough. For UNC, the NCAA said it doesn't meddle in academics, but for App, they had no problem with it.

The NCAA is a hypocritical system if I've ever seen one. They only look out for themselves and those who stuff their wallets. That's why they won't ever punish some of their darling children while they feed the rest of the programs that bring the system energy to the wolves. Look at Alabama. There have been multiple reports that those players were paid to be there and they have been for decades. The NCAA constantly chooses to overlook it, though. They're terrified by the big bullies of the system and what would happen if they upset daddy. If there was a way for the entire organization to be done away with, I'd advocate for it, because they only look out for themselves and those who benefit them the most.

(01-08-2018 03:55 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  The NCAA is a hypocritical system if I've ever seen one. They only look out for themselves and those who stuff their wallets. That's why they won't ever punish some of their darling children while they feed the rest of the programs that bring the system energy to the wolves. Look at Alabama. There have been multiple reports that those players were paid to be there and they have been for decades. The NCAA constantly chooses to overlook it, though. They're terrified by the big bullies of the system and what would happen if they upset daddy. If there was a way for the entire organization to be done away with, I'd advocate for it, because they only look out for themselves and those who benefit them the most.

The NCAA isn't the CFP. Two different things

(01-08-2018 12:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 12:43 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...-teams-now

G5 commissioners, including Benson, unanimously supported the current 4 team playoff system. Wtf. Fire these puppets of the P5 oligarchy

There's obviously something else there. My guess is that this playoff proposal was combined with a massive cut in playoff money for the G5.

There is definitely some families being held hostage.

Two things stand out in that article to me---

ONE--

"I have a lot of confidence and trust in the selection committee who are watching all the games, they are scrubbing all the records, and for me, in their view, it wasn't even close if they were 12," said Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott. "So I don't really think it's going to be a topic of conversation."

To me thats more indicative of there being a HUGE problem within the committee than a indication that things are operating perfectly. That team beat #7. The G5 is 3-1 in the access bowl and wasnt all that far from being 4-0....yet not a single one of these G5 teams was considered anywhere near top ten worthy and were all ranked behind 3 or even 4 loss P5's.

TWO---

"Each time there's been a change, it's been for the better," said Sun Belt commissioner Karl Benson. "With all due respect to UCF, if we didn't have the system we have today, would they be playing in the Peach Bowl last week?"

Benson can be such a bumbling mess sometimes. The answer to his question is "yes". If ranked #12 (like UCF was), they would have been in a BCS game this year under the old BCS rules. That said, his overall point is basically correct. I think none of the other 3 access bowl participants would have made the game under the old BCS rules. UCF would have in qualified under the old BCS rules in 2013--but didnt need to because the AAC was AQ under the last year of the old Big East deal.

(01-08-2018 05:04 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:55 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  The NCAA is a hypocritical system if I've ever seen one. They only look out for themselves and those who stuff their wallets. That's why they won't ever punish some of their darling children while they feed the rest of the programs that bring the system energy to the wolves. Look at Alabama. There have been multiple reports that those players were paid to be there and they have been for decades. The NCAA constantly chooses to overlook it, though. They're terrified by the big bullies of the system and what would happen if they upset daddy. If there was a way for the entire organization to be done away with, I'd advocate for it, because they only look out for themselves and those who benefit them the most.

The NCAA isn't the CFP. Two different things

I know this, but the NCAA has allowed schools to get this big by cheating the system, which then only further allows the CFP to make the choices that they make. Meaning, Alabama has been reportedly cheating for years, the NCAA doesn't do anything about these reports, Alabama continues to get stronger and better, and the CFP chooses them because they're never going to see a down year. That's why the entire system is corrupt.

The alternative is they say to hell with the G5 and go do their own thing. How much money do you think gets dished out then? If any at all.

(01-08-2018 07:18 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  The alternative is they say to hell with the G5 and go do their own thing. How much money do you think gets dished out then? If any at all.

Heh. And give up the 7 or 8 home games a year? Give up the ability to write the rules for us? Give up the protections from charges of anti-market behavior by being under the same umbrella organization? Give up the cheap midweek baseball games and the OOC travel cost reductions we bring for Olympic sports?

Yeah, I'm sure they will just leave in a fit of pique.

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(01-08-2018 01:49 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 01:41 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 01:03 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 12:49 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 12:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  There's obviously something else there. My guess is that this playoff proposal was combined with a massive cut in playoff money for the G5.

Kinda what I guess as well. The ol' "You want 8 team playoff? Well you're going to take a 50% hit to your CFP payout"

So G5 are being "paid off" basically? To hell with that I say. Our schools can generate enough funds ourselves. Any $$ from the league is a bonus. I rather have a legit chance for G5 teams to join the playoff. Otherwise, how can G5 conferences improve their perceptions and respectability?

...or play and beat two non cellar dwelling P5's, go undefeated and see what happens.

WMU did that last year.

What were they ranked?

Ummm...no

Northwestern
NC Central
Illinois
Georgia Southern

That's who they played.

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(01-08-2018 03:18 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 12:43 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...-teams-now

G5 commissioners, including Benson, unanimously supported the current 4 team playoff system. Wtf. Fire these puppets of the P5 oligarchy

Benson has shown over and over he is a P5 lap dog and has done very little in advancing this conference. Every time he speaks I think to myself we have the dumbest Conf Commissioner in the FBS without a doubt.

As far as G5 access if you play an FCS you basically have no shot from the start. You eliminate the FCS game with a P5 or good G5 your SOS will be greatly improved and you will have the bullet point of playing a full FBS schedule. ESPN would push that point into the ground because they dont want FBS team playing FCS teams for ratings.

Talk to your President. He is the Commissioner and serves at the leisure of the Presidents.

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(01-08-2018 09:27 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 01:49 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 01:41 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 01:03 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 12:49 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Kinda what I guess as well. The ol' "You want 8 team playoff? Well you're going to take a 50% hit to your CFP payout"

So G5 are being "paid off" basically? To hell with that I say. Our schools can generate enough funds ourselves. Any $$ from the league is a bonus. I rather have a legit chance for G5 teams to join the playoff. Otherwise, how can G5 conferences improve their perceptions and respectability?

...or play and beat two non cellar dwelling P5's, go undefeated and see what happens.

WMU did that last year.

What were they ranked?

Ummm...no

Northwestern
NC Central
Illinois
Georgia Southern

That's who they played.

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Missed the "non" part of that. My bad, carry on.

I'm not in favor of expanding the playoffs at this time.

Every year the proponents hang their hats on something as proof we need to change.

In 2011 it was the rematch between Alabama and LSU that really got the locomotive in motion to have what we have today.

This year, it's two teams from the SEC and the success of UCF...which wasn't considered great success until after the fact when they beat Auburn.

If we had gone with 8, the same UCF scenario would have existed and we'd be hollering for 16.

I think the commissioners got it right...for now.

Good grief... the Commissioners are obviously afraid of losing the CFP money, or the Presidents are.

The system isn't right. EVEN IF we would have wound up with the same two in the final, the assumption is ARROGANT and just wrong.

Any system that excludes 50% of the teams that play in it is a crock of crap.

It will NEVER happen in the current system. As soon as they start looking at strength of schedule, the entire G5 is screwed.
We HAVE to play our conference schedule and non of them are going to stack up with a P5 conf schedule.
So to make up for it, why should we have to schedule two additional top 10 teams as IF we could predict who that will be 10 years down the road when some of these games are being scheduled?
They said they also consider Conference Championships earned and head to head.
Well, Bama didn't win their conference and UCF beat the team that beat Bama.. "head to head". Sure, I know that was after the selections had been made. But how can THAT happen and then - they look back and say: "I think we got it right"??? B freaking S!
And what about the almighty integrity of the regular season? You mean the portion of the year when Auburn beat both Alabama AND Georgia?
That same Auburn that UCF beat?

The "ACCESS" Bowl needs to be exactly that. Let it be real access to the playoff. You can't tell me that that name wasn't meant to deceive.

The problem with fearing the money loss is that there will be TONS more money if you include all conference champions in the CFP.
EVERY real college football fan will know who wins each CCG, because they will watch them. --- $$$$$$$

Every one of the G5 champions are already going to bowls now.
Those bowls may have poor tv ratings and even poorer attendance.... IF those bowls are the first round of the CFP... TV Dollars go way up as more eye ball$ are on those bowl games.

The exposure is worth $ as well.
This would be so good for the future of college football. P5 fans hardly know who a handful of G5 teams are anyway. Half of them can't tell the difference between most G5 teams and an FCS team. Raise interest in the g5, have them keep up with who is projected to win each conference and more TV money rolls in. Less fans complain about scheduling G5 teams the more they have heard of them. Ticket sales go up.
g5 fan basses rise with each progression into the post season playoff picture, even if it usually ends in week 1.

The "big boys" don't want to share their money though.
If they threaten taking their money and going home then fine. Let them try it. What is the payout per team from the CFP? About a million per team right?
Don't most of us schedule 1 to 2 of them a year?
You can solve the problem by demanding an extra 500k per game if you schedule two of them. Drop the FCS game, or the extra G5 match up if needed. We HAVE TO GET REAL ACCESS to the CFP.
If they won't pay it, then let them all schedule each other and watch a lot of their W/L records fall by default.

Expand to 8 if we can, without demanding a g5 entry if we have to for now to hold on to the cfp payout money. EVEN if we get screwed out of real access right now, the outrage and injustice will be even more noticeable when they leave us out of that than the 4.
Then, we can negotiate the Access team in or going to 12 teams to include all conf champs.

But take the steps towards it in every way we can, even baby steps if we have to.

Our commissioners need to be advancing the ability of our programs to reach a National Championship in football.
They are NOT doing that. The Presidents need to be doing the same. We have got to push this advancement or we will never get it.
This talk coming out of people who seem to be worried about one day advancing to one of those P5 positions is sickening.
I'm ready to FIRE'em ALL! I've got the tar, who has some pitch forks?

(01-08-2018 02:43 PM)JSinLR Wrote:  Go BIG or go home. 16 teams with all 10 conference champions automatically in and then the next best 6 teams based on overall ranking in the top 25 polls. Then conferences like the SEC (or any P5) can potentially get their top 7 teams in the playoff. No one could argue the opportunity and all G5s get a shot at the Cinderella Season. Every conference being in would increase the interest and money across the board. Right now I could NOT care less about Bama vs. GA. I hope they battle to an endless 0-0 tie.

Anything less doesn't interest me in the slightest.

In fact, I forgot the championship game was last night until I heard it mentioned on a sports radio show on the drive HOME from work this evening. That is how uninterested I was.

(01-09-2018 06:26 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 02:43 PM)JSinLR Wrote:  Go BIG or go home. 16 teams with all 10 conference champions automatically in and then the next best 6 teams based on overall ranking in the top 25 polls. Then conferences like the SEC (or any P5) can potentially get their top 7 teams in the playoff. No one could argue the opportunity and all G5s get a shot at the Cinderella Season. Every conference being in would increase the interest and money across the board. Right now I could NOT care less about Bama vs. GA. I hope they battle to an endless 0-0 tie.

Anything less doesn't interest me in the slightest.

In fact, I forgot the championship game was last night until I heard it mentioned on a sports radio show on the drive HOME from work this evening. That is how uninterested I was.

8 teams (no bye): All P5 champs, G5 Access team, 2 at large doesn't interest you?

How about...
12 (top 4 bye): All 10 conference champs and 2 at large?
That doesn't interest you either?

it was extremely smart of the G5 to say no IF it did not guarantee access.

Look at the top 8 teams BEFORE bowls:

Clemson
Oklahoma
Georgia
Alabama
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Auburn
USC

who is not in there? UCF. more importantly...who IS in there? Auburn.

they would have likely been in the 8 team playoff. Which would mean UCF would NOT have played them in a bowl. the next three teams were:

Penn State
Miami
Washington

that's who UCF would likely have played, but there is no guarantee of even that. Sure, would have been a good matchup. But not as good as Auburn. And would not likely have had the NYD national stage that it did this year.
the game, whoever and wherever it was, would have been pushed further down the pecking order of appeal and national attention.

Smart move by the G5 to say no. Very smart.

You cannot be in favor of expansion PUBLICLY if you are a G5 exec, I get that. You cannot disparage the system that is paying you more than you received under the BCS. If you are not trying to expand PRIVATELY, you are a moron. Expansion will come and don't listen to the dotards saying there is a contract in place for X years. A contract between two parties means nothing if the parties want to change the terms or cancel it.

The ratings for the playoffs have exceeded ratings from the BCS or prior era and that is in a time when sports viewing seems to be in decline. The semifinals are drawing better than national title games have in the past. It doesn't matter if you match up a G5 champ in the first round against Bama, people will be more interested because the outcome matters.

Again, there is no reason it shouldn’t be a 16 team playoff. It has worked in all other levels of college football.

The way you fix this isn't any change to the current CFP format, you fix it by winning games, conference mates winning games, and other G5 teams winning games. When the G5 wins more games against P5 then they lose, then we can have this conversation. We have to at least get to 50%. Having one team step up isn't going to get it done.

There are about 110 million reasons the G5 Commissioners voted that way.