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RE: Game Day: BG
(01-06-2018 02:32 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:24 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:21 PM)emdypo Wrote:  Probably looking at another typical Murphy team, most likely finish under .500 in the MAC and get eliminated in the first round of the MAC tournament. I'm not saying this to be a jerk, but some of you on this board, thought this team would win 20+ games, and would beat UofM. I'm sorry but that is absurd. Murphy needs to go. We need a coach that can build a team other than with transfers, and who can "coach up" talent. Minnie, Thompson, Bond, and Jackson are all above average MAC talent, and we cant beat BG at home, just pathetic!

Ehh, you're always the type to show up after games like this. A lot like Bob W. You don't say a word after an impressive win, and then bash other posters' opinions after a loss. Be consistent.

Impressive win? When did that happen? Oakland?

I personally thought both the Oakland and the Long Beach wins were impressive, but to each his/her own.
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Anyway, I think we have a final answer as to whether Murph can overcome his coaching shortcoming with recruiting talent: NOPE.

I'm pretty angry right now, but I think I've seen enough. It's time to show Murphy the door. He's gotten lucky with ADs getting to move on before making a decision on him. Not anymore. I hope Wetherbee does the right thing after the season ends.
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RE: Game Day: BG
(01-06-2018 02:33 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  No one here is a "zone apologist," but you have to realize you can't blame every single loss on the zone. We didn't lost today because of the zone, we lost today because in the clutch, we have 0 offensive sets written up and Murphy refuses to practice offense during practice.

Saying every single game we lose is 100% because of the defensive formation is ridiculous, and that's what people are trying to say.

This. If/when Murphy is fired, I will remember his complete lack of creativity on offense before I even think about his commitment to the zone. I'll never understand how people can watch us play, and the first thing they say is "they'd be a great team if they played man-to-man!", while watching Jackson or Minnie try to force a pass down low to Thompson, or dribble into traffic instead.

Murphy has an offense problem, and it will likely be his demise.
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RE: Game Day: BG
(01-06-2018 02:37 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  Anyway, I think we have a final answer as to whether Murph can overcome his coaching shortcoming with recruiting talent: NOPE.

I'm pretty angry right now, but I think I've seen enough. It's time to show Murphy the door. He's gotten lucky with ADs getting to move on before making a decision on him. Not anymore. I hope Wetherbee does the right thing after the season ends.

Good point about the ADs; it's well known that Lyke was not a Murphy fan. The most disappointing thing about her departure was that she left before resetting the basketball program.
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RE: Game Day: BG
(01-06-2018 02:44 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:37 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  Anyway, I think we have a final answer as to whether Murph can overcome his coaching shortcoming with recruiting talent: NOPE.

I'm pretty angry right now, but I think I've seen enough. It's time to show Murphy the door. He's gotten lucky with ADs getting to move on before making a decision on him. Not anymore. I hope Wetherbee does the right thing after the season ends.

Good point about the ADs; it's well known that Lyke was not a Murphy fan. The most disappointing thing about her departure was that she left before resetting the basketball program.

Then she shouldn't have scheduled 4 non-D1 games every year, which helped extend Murphy's contract. If she wanted him gone, then she did a poor job of showing it. We will see if Wetherbee is different.
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RE: Game Day: BG
(01-06-2018 02:35 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:32 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:24 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:21 PM)emdypo Wrote:  Probably looking at another typical Murphy team, most likely finish under .500 in the MAC and get eliminated in the first round of the MAC tournament. I'm not saying this to be a jerk, but some of you on this board, thought this team would win 20+ games, and would beat UofM. I'm sorry but that is absurd. Murphy needs to go. We need a coach that can build a team other than with transfers, and who can "coach up" talent. Minnie, Thompson, Bond, and Jackson are all above average MAC talent, and we cant beat BG at home, just pathetic!

Ehh, you're always the type to show up after games like this. A lot like Bob W. You don't say a word after an impressive win, and then bash other posters' opinions after a loss. Be consistent.

Impressive win? When did that happen? Oakland?

I personally thought both the Oakland and the Long Beach wins were impressive, but to each his/her own.

That's fine, I'm not going to argue that.

But, we lost to Oakland too. And we're going to be garbage in the MAC again.

Ultimately, the MAC record tells us all we need to know about Murphy.
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RE: Game Day: BG
(01-06-2018 02:46 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:44 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:37 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  Anyway, I think we have a final answer as to whether Murph can overcome his coaching shortcoming with recruiting talent: NOPE.

I'm pretty angry right now, but I think I've seen enough. It's time to show Murphy the door. He's gotten lucky with ADs getting to move on before making a decision on him. Not anymore. I hope Wetherbee does the right thing after the season ends.

Good point about the ADs; it's well known that Lyke was not a Murphy fan. The most disappointing thing about her departure was that she left before resetting the basketball program.

Then she shouldn't have scheduled 4 non-D1 games every year, which helped extend Murphy's contract. If she wanted him gone, then she did a poor job of showing it. We will see if Wetherbee is different.

There was no money (supposedly). What can you do?
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(01-06-2018 02:23 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  If Murphy wasn't coaching for his life, he'd be trying new things with his rotations, like he did in the past. But we are going to live and die by our starting five.

You have been saying this for a while, I am starting to believe it. Murphy must be under some heat. I think the team is talented enough to still finish .500 or a little better. But this game is disastrous and strong indication yet another year without any improvement.
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(01-06-2018 02:49 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:46 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:44 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:37 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  Anyway, I think we have a final answer as to whether Murph can overcome his coaching shortcoming with recruiting talent: NOPE.

I'm pretty angry right now, but I think I've seen enough. It's time to show Murphy the door. He's gotten lucky with ADs getting to move on before making a decision on him. Not anymore. I hope Wetherbee does the right thing after the season ends.

Good point about the ADs; it's well known that Lyke was not a Murphy fan. The most disappointing thing about her departure was that she left before resetting the basketball program.

Then she shouldn't have scheduled 4 non-D1 games every year, which helped extend Murphy's contract. If she wanted him gone, then she did a poor job of showing it. We will see if Wetherbee is different.

There was no money (supposedly). What can you do?

Murphy has a lot a say/power when it comes to scheduling. Unfortunately, he probably doesn't have much money. But he/EMU could do better.
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I just can’t come on here and write about the same flaws in Murphy’s coaching after every game. This was absurd. Someone tell me why he did not use his last timeout on the final possession of regulation when we were dribbling into triple teams and eventually can’t even get a shot off!!!!!!!!! I could write a book on why he is inept as a coach and the first 10 chapters would have nothing to do with defense. He is the Jim Caldwell of game management.


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Murphy is only given 20,000 for non conference home games
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(01-06-2018 02:16 PM)McKinley Wrote:  EMU offensive sets were predictable

There aren't any.
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As disappointing as today's loss was, most if not all of the MAC West teams will have a loss by tonight.

The MAC is very well balanced with seemingly Buffalo the only team separating itself, BUT the season is VERY young.

The cake is not baked. Matter of fact, the oven is just being pre-heated.
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(01-06-2018 05:12 PM)emu steve Wrote:  As disappointing as today's loss was, most if not all of the MAC West teams will have a loss by tonight.

The MAC is very well balanced with seemingly Buffalo the only team separating itself, BUT the season is VERY young.

The cake is not baked. Matter of fact, the oven is just being pre-heated.

Championship teams don't lose at home to BG. You can't sugar coat this and there is no silver lining. We've seen it before and it'll not change under Murphy.
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(01-06-2018 02:28 PM)EMU03 Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:13 PM)holybovine Wrote:  Classic clusterf*** performance by a Murphy squad. When you just roll the ball out there on offense and wing it, the best you'll ever be is inconsistent. We've seen this for seven years. Of course, some here want to see another seven years of evidence before forming a conclusion.

Yep. Murphy has been a poor teacher of basketball especially on offense. The interior defense of the zone is very weak. Luckeyone has been getting hammered on this forum from Murphy zone apologists. It is disgusting how many easy and uncontested shots are given up most games.
Well,

I've pointed out the flaws in the zone because most of the posters think we only have issues with Murphy's offense. We have problems on offense (obviously) and defense.

The past few seasons, many of you would be all over Mangum and Lee because they play 1 on 1 and hoist up contested jumpers. Many of you blamed the players as being selfish for doing this but it's Murphy's (lack of) offensive system. Now that we have new players we see the same offense.

The reality is Coach Murphy is not a good offensive or defensive fundamental coach.

However, we have a lot of talent. If the players do not quit on him (today they seemed disinterested), we will win 8-10 conference games.
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(01-06-2018 05:12 PM)emu steve Wrote:  As disappointing as today's loss was, most if not all of the MAC West teams will have a loss by tonight.

The MAC is very well balanced with seemingly Buffalo the only team separating itself, BUT the season is VERY young.

The cake is not baked. Matter of fact, the oven is just being pre-heated.

Was wondering how you would justify this.

Unbelievable.
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(01-06-2018 04:07 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:16 PM)McKinley Wrote:  EMU offensive sets were predictable

There aren't any.

Well said Katman.
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(01-06-2018 02:32 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:28 PM)EMU03 Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:13 PM)holybovine Wrote:  Classic clusterf*** performance by a Murphy squad. When you just roll the ball out there on offense and wing it, the best you'll ever be is inconsistent. We've seen this for seven years. Of course, some here want to see another seven years of evidence before forming a conclusion.

Yep. Murphy has been a poor teacher of basketball especially on offense. The interior defense of the zone is very weak. Luckeyone has been getting hammered on this forum from Murphy zone apologists. It is disgusting how many easy and uncontested shots are given up most games.

You think they'd be playing harder if it was man-to-man? Bond is the only player on the back line who plays hard all the time. Thompson, Minnie, and Groce all had matador moments throughout the game, and our defense suffers significantly whenever Bond is on the bench.

Blame Murphy for not getting the best effort out of his players, fine. Has very little to do with the defensive scheme.

Sam,

Regarding "Has very little to do with the defensive scheme'....is not shared by many of us. Yes, we have issues on offense and defense. While many posters can see the offensive deficiency, we are equally deficient on defense. Since this team will never play man to man, we will never know. Then zone gets our best player in foul trouble virtually every game because 1) the other team attacks the paint where Thompson has to guard two people and 2) Murphy does not play his reserves so Thompson lays off the defense so he doesn't pick up his fifth fouls.

This team is made up of thoroughbreds and play to their strength when they get out in transition; however the zone restricts the transition too. Against BSU, EMU gave up over 13 offensive rebounds in the first half alone. It's hard to get into transition when the other team keeps getting repeated shot attempts because the zone leaves you out of rebound position.

I believe if Murphy let our players play street ball on offense and defense, we'd still probably win 8 games
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(01-06-2018 06:05 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:32 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:28 PM)EMU03 Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:13 PM)holybovine Wrote:  Classic clusterf*** performance by a Murphy squad. When you just roll the ball out there on offense and wing it, the best you'll ever be is inconsistent. We've seen this for seven years. Of course, some here want to see another seven years of evidence before forming a conclusion.

Yep. Murphy has been a poor teacher of basketball especially on offense. The interior defense of the zone is very weak. Luckeyone has been getting hammered on this forum from Murphy zone apologists. It is disgusting how many easy and uncontested shots are given up most games.

You think they'd be playing harder if it was man-to-man? Bond is the only player on the back line who plays hard all the time. Thompson, Minnie, and Groce all had matador moments throughout the game, and our defense suffers significantly whenever Bond is on the bench.

Blame Murphy for not getting the best effort out of his players, fine. Has very little to do with the defensive scheme.

I believe if Murphy let our players play street ball on offense and defense, we'd still probably win 8 games

Which is why I think they should fire Murphy now. The players basically coach themselves anyway. It may motivate them to play a little harder. If not, no big loss, since we already know Murphy will not elevate their games.
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(01-06-2018 02:33 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  No one here is a "zone apologist," but you have to realize you can't blame every single loss on the zone. We didn't lost today because of the zone, we lost today because in the clutch, we have 0 offensive sets written up and Murphy refuses to practice offense during practice.

Saying every single game we lose is 100% because of the defensive formation is ridiculous, and that's what people are trying to say.

I don't remember anyone, including me, who said we lose strictly due to the zone - that's untrue.

Murphy not practicing an offense as Ray Lee stated in a post game interview is definitely the reason why the team doesn't execute on that end and is an indictment on his lack of coaching ability.

With all of that said, I still believe we win 8-10 Conference games.
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